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anyone have experience with cbd isolate?
submitted over 6 years ago by CrucibleGuy

I want to get into DIY eventually but I want to ease my way into it. Right now I just want to make a CBD isolate and PG mix.. and then add it to a commercial juice. is this possible? Can I dissolve lets say 500-1000 mg of isolate into about 10 ml of PG and then add it to the juice? I want to dillute the flavor of the pre made juice as little as possible therefore I want to use the most mg of cbd and as little ml of pg as possible.

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does adding cbd isolate change the flavor of juices? I know I cannot add isolate to VG because it will recrystalize.. but since im dissolving it into pg first, does the pg/vg content of the pre made juice become irrelevant or could I still run into problems after pouring the pg/cbd mix into the pre made liquid if there is too much vg?

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I only have experience with the cbd flavorless additive from koi.. and it works fine but its pricey and I am dilluting the flavor of the juices I add it to, dilluting nic content, and dilluting overall cbd content. I will have far more control if can make my own.

the stuff I buy from koi doesnt make the taste of my juices any worse, only dillutes it.. but I read some people who bought their own isolate and added it to the juices made the juice taste terrible? is this true? Is there better isolates then others and do some taste better then others? and is all PG liquid the same, just different brands selling the same shit?

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by TimInElmiraover 6 years ago

If you dissolve your CBD isolate in PG, then add the mixture to a commercial juice, you will dilute the juice.

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You have two options. If you can find a 50/50 juice you like, dissolve the CBD directly into that juice (forget about the PG step). This is what I do and it does take a little more work, but does work. I dump the whole bottle of juice into a beaker. I use a small electric hand mixer. I add the CBD in small amounts (about 100mg at a time) stirring as I go. You will need another empty bottle when you are done because adding 500mg+ will expand the juice. I buy a 30ml bottle and have an empty 30ml bottle and split the juice up between them.

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If you go with a higher VG mix juice (say 60/40 but no higher than 70/30) you need to mix a 60/40 blend of PG and VG to match the juice. Dissolve your CBD into the PG, then add your VG, mixing thoroughly as you go, and then into your commercial juice. This will still mute your flavor because you are only adding base.

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You want to stay away from higher VG mixes anyway: not just because of the CBD crystallizing issue but also because you need to use this mix at low power because the CBD will burn (more of an issue with higher amounts of CBD). I use mine in a Geekvape Ammit MTL RTA with a 1 ohm build at 20 watts.

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by CrucibleGuyover 6 years ago

Ok cool. Thank you!

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by CrucibleGuyover 6 years ago

Also.. What is the purpose of adding the vg to the pg/cbd before mixing with the pre made juice? Is this to keep it consistent with the e juice?

Has adding cbd to e juice ever made your juices taste alot worse? Not muted but just bad in general?

And your to stat away from adding this to anything higher then a 70/30.. Cause im interested in a couple juices tgat are 80/20 and one thats 70/30 vg pg.

Im using a starter vape where I cant even control the wattage.. I think its only 1.5 ohm. But what does higher wattage have to do with vg?

Sorry for the questions.. Very new to all of this. And dont wanna end up wasting a gram or 2 of isolate.

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by TimInElmiraover 6 years ago

I've covered some of this in my reply, so I'll see if I can word it differently.

If you just add PG to an existing juice you change the balance. Some juices need a certain balance for the flavor profile. Adding the same PG/VG mix helps keep that balance.

A good isolate has no taste. I now mix a 20mg dose (600mg of isolate into 30ml of juice). I know what the juice tastes like before adding and there is no difference. I have no way of knowing what 2 grams would do.

High VG will not vaporize in a pod. High VG will also recrystallize your CBD. 50/50 is best but 60/40 works in some pods. If you use 60/40 juice, be sure to SHAKE the bottle every time you fill your pod.

High wattage will burn the CBD. It doesn't vaporize the same as most vape ingredients. Don't forget: most vape juices are PG, VG, nicotine (in PG) and food flavoring. You are introducing something foreign to the mix.

In short, use 50/50 juice, mix well and use at low power (a pod is perfect for this mix).

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by Macktologistover 6 years ago

Want to add to your comments for the benefit of OP. So this is directed at them.

I’m an avid vaper that recently made my own 500 mg CBD Isolate 30 ml 50/50 mix with some strawberry flavor. Two important reasons to not go full pg are pg is harsher on the throat, and much thinner than vg and can wick too fast and flood the coils or even leak easier. Plus, the vg produces better vapor if that’s something important.

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by CrucibleGuyover 6 years ago

what vendor do you use to buy your isolate?

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by EauxCBDover 6 years ago

You should be able to dissolve that okay. That's stronger than our strongest tincture so I've never tried (i.e. 3,000mg in 30mL). There isolate dissolves fairly easily with a little heat. I don't have experience manufacturing vape products though, only tinctures.

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by ASCiiDiTYover 6 years ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/axxulb/your_nofrills_guide_to_diy_cbd_ejuice/

Vape additive = isolate + PG + emulsifier like Triethyl citrate. 1g + 9ml total liquid will work fine.

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by CrucibleGuyover 6 years ago

Thank you! That thread is exactly what I was looking for. So much info you posted in there.. So you ended up dissolving 1g in 9 ml liquid yourself and it turned out fine?

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by CrucibleGuyover 6 years ago

Do you know any sites that sell both PG and this triethyl citrate? Srry im new to DIY

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by ASCiiDiTYover 6 years ago

I'm assuming you're in the USA, and I'm in the UK so can't help with sources.

Ask in the thread I posted, the OP and most people are American in there.

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by ASCiiDiTYover 6 years ago

I make mine from scratch with 1000mg in 30ml at 80% PG 20% VG..

..but yes, that will work and is how to make a "vape additive", use about 0.5-1% Triethyl citrate.

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by isuamadogover 6 years ago

Try r/cbd?

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by benzo_messiahover 6 years ago

Yeah I’m familiar with isolate but lazy and know others know better than me. This is where I did a lot of my research.

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by isuamadogover 6 years ago

Honestly I was just being a smart ass.

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by CrucibleGuyover 6 years ago

this sub is where people are familiar with mixing different stuff with pg and vg. cbd comes in so many forms, only a fraction of people actually vape it let alone make their only liquid out of it.

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