Different flavors have different purposes and have different places in a recipe. Specific brands don't determine their usefulness.

Dont make subs for recipes hoping they will turn out unless you have done research and have seen that they will work. Very few can be used like that.

I know you took time to make this post and you want help, but the front page is not a place for you to link your flavor stash and ask for recipes. We have a place for that, and it is here

Also, you should not be just buying flavors at random. Find recipes first, order those flavors.

Dont breathe juices. It serves no purpose and will only ruin your mixes.

Fruit flavors tend to not need any steeping time. In fact, if you do let them steep, the fruits can fade. Steeping time all depends on specific flavors used.

It really just sounds like you need to do some more research on flavors, and a refresher on some mixing tips. I suggest going through links in the sidebar and in the Weekly Questions Thread.

Since you haven't given us any of your own recipes, we can't really help you troubleshoot any issues.

Consider it also could be the gear you are vaping with as well.

This should be vapable. Ready straight away but I'd wait 3-4 days for the lemon to settle in.

• 4% CAP New York Cheesecake
• 1.5% INW Yes Oui Cheesecake
• 1.5% TFA Graham Cracker Clear
• 3% CAP Juicy Lemon
• 2% FA Lemon Sicily
• 0.25% CAP Super Sweet

Ready to vape. You could also add 1-1.5% FA Fresh Cream but then steep time is approx 1 week:

• 2.5% RF Pineapple
• 0.75% CAP Juicy Peach
• 0.75% TFA Dragonfruit
• 0.25% CAP Super Sweet

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Here is the thing. Starting out with First Order Flavors or, especially, just ordering flavors for specific recipes when first starting out is easy and makes it easy on the mixer but it also acts as a crutch IMO.

Go through and look at reviews for flavors profiles that you like. Look at top recipes and see which flavors are used the most often in your preferred profile.

From there single flavor test each flavor and take notes about how they tastes at X%s and be detailed.

You eat food everyday, you know what tastes good to you. You know what flavor combos work together.

Now take all that knowledge and put it together.

Then use your notes to make some simple recipes using all that info. It can be very hard to make a great flavor but its pretty easy to make a decent flavor. Don't become too reliant on others' recipes.

Once you get your first (simple) batches made then take some more notes. You want more of X, you want less of Y, Z doesn't fit in the mix so replace it or leave it out. Use these notes for next time.

Its actually pretty easy when you think about it this way and keep good notes.

Also, remember that sometimes you are just going to get a shit recipe whether it be yours or a 100 5 star rating ejuice recipe. Its going to happen even to experienced mixers. Just don't get discouraged.

From there keep experimenting and adding new flavors as you can. After a little while you will get the hang of it and will SFT a flavor and say damn that would be great with some X and y with a touch of Z because you know what everything tastes like and how it goes together.

To quell the impending naysayers this is how I did my first order of about 15 flavors or so and ended up making some great recipes by following the above; much better than the ones I tried from other mixers because they were set to my tastes not the other mixers.

Mixing juice is kind of like cooking. If you keep failing, find a recipe that’s well liked, and follow it to the letter. This means ordering the specific flavors including brand, and using them in the exact proportions specified. If that still tastes wrong, then you will at least have eliminated some variables and we will be able to better help you.

> The way im seeing it and when i look at peoples recipes they are using CAP TPA FW all as ad dons or accents for there recipes, they normally will add 1 /2 /3 other flavours from FA or FLV to make the recipe

This is by no means a universal rule. You'll want to research a specific concentrate here as much as you can instead of making assumptions about it. The names they are given are just suggestions and they have little bearing on the chemicals inside that make the flavor. The more you know about how each flavor works, and works with other flavors, the better. There's no universal shortcuts with brands because each brand makes flavors that work great as a base, flavors that work great as an accent, flavors that can work as either, flavors that don't work, etc. You've probably noticed they have wildly different concentrations/strengths too even within brand.

> i thought why not just try and make some thing im 30 recipes in and still not one vape able ejuice

This is often the result of experimentation without knowing what you are doing. If you insist on doing it this way instead of following existing highly rated recipes exactly to start, you should try each flavor as a stand-alone to have a chance of understanding what you are putting together.

> But i dont want to go around in circles just making ejuice letting it sit for 14 days to 40 days

The majority of good mixes taste at least passable as a shake and vape or after a few days. If you're at the "did I make a terrible mistake" stage, you don't have to wait so long to try them, especially with fruits.

My advice would be to follow the beginner advice that you've bucked against and pick 2-3 recipes you want to try, get the flavors, follow them exactly, and then go from there with single substitutions or adjusting %s. It's far less painful in the long run, and even if you hate one of them you won't likely hate all 3.

I was there once, good luck!

Hey sup. A lot to cover, first of all I applaud you sticking with it throughout your setbacks!
Item the first and most important, mental health. I've been in your shoes, bit of advice; weird things happen when you quit the cigs and take up vaping, even with nicotine. Cigarettes have a lot more chemicals than just nic, that your brain will be starving for while you quit, causing all sorts of havoc on your chemistry. Psychotic episodes and waking dreams are normal during quitting, but stick it out, worst was over in a week for me, a month later and I was fine. If your taking medication I strongly recommend telling your Doc your quitting. Also any more than 3% tends to give me buzz that can bring on manic episodes.
Second, some beginners advice. Try and eliminate variables. 80vg/20pg is the default ratio for most devices and carries the flavor best. 70/30 is to make it feel hotter like a cig. Store bought stuff runs very high amounts of flavor, which no one will recommend for health reasons and why it's usually 70/30. The RDA your using is pretty tricky to get good flavor out of with DIY stuff, basically you have to fill up the chamber with the coil (Without earthing it out,) to get good flavor - something like an alien wrap. I would recommend trying a Veco one with ceramic coils and a good regulated dual battery mod to anyone new. Also complicated flavors are not very palatable when you start. You've just got your taste buds and sense of smell returning after being freed from the stink sticks. Go mellow for now, rotate between two basic flavors week by week. Then get fancy and start using more complicated and subtle flavors when vapers tongue kicks in and you can't taste them anymore. Also I strictly only use Cap at 15% and TFA at 10%, I dont trust anything else.
Lastly recipe suggestions. You have everything for my two all time favorites!
They are very plain but strong flavors, they wont taste amazing for the first few hours of vaping, but stick with it. Pretty soon they become your new cig, that sensation that grounds you and pulls the anxious ball out of your chest.
e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/2934943/Vanilla+Custard+TFA
e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/2934948/New+York+Cheese+Cake
Enjoy!

Sup, the following opinion will go against the general grain of the community, but it's a path that helped me get where I needed to be.

I feel that tasting, testing and noting individual flavours is too far down the road for where you are when you start out. It's too abstract, too deep and too much. Testing flavours solo and making notes about them comes in handy further down the line, once you dip your toes into making your own mixes for yourself.

What really helped me when I was starting out was mixing some of the popular recipes on ATF.. The usual suspects, god milk etc... All the mainstream recipe types. Nothing too exotic or boundary pushing.

That allowed me to vape better than store bought juice and save money. Also, this is a contentious issue but add sweetener. If you're trying to emulate and get the same taste as store bought juice you must add sweetener. Otherwise it will (likely) taste "off" In some way... Like something is missing. Imagine buying an organic sugar free milkshake when your favourite milkshake is a diabetes inducing McDonald's one. ... Its not gonna hit the spot. For me personally I still add a high amount of Capella supersweet after a year of diy. I guess it's just how I like it.

After time, mixing other people's recipes for fun, as a hobby you will build up a list of solid mixes that you love and have in rotation. You're flying. You're vaping stuff better than you've ever bought, you're saving money but more importantly it's become a hobby. You're on the toilet at work reading about flavourings. You're opening this sub at work etc. You're looking forward to mixing people's recipes whenever you have free time.

Then the fun starts... You can't force it, or predict when it will come, but over time you will start to recognize the individual tastes of different flavourings in a mix, you will learn the properties of each one. You will learn this cap strawberry is gloopy like a jam, this tfa strawberry is hard like a candy, this fa Vienna cream is milky etc... Then you will start to "remix" And play with the recipes you've grown to enjoy that were made by others. You'll start swapping stuff out, adding more cream, reducing this, increasing that.

Now to bring it back to the start, this is the time when it's good to start to test individual flavours, make notes etc once you feel ready and motivated to make your own from scratch.

PS. I'm not a good mixer... But as someone who's gone through the process that's the path that took me where I needed to be. Out of interest I wondered if any of the more active mixers got to where they were in a similar manner or through a different route?

Pretty sure I saw you post in a group on Facebook... Glad you found your way here. Try to have patience and follow the advice.

Store bought juice follows the same marketing tactics as any junk food brand, keep pumping up the sweet flavors till its gross, then back it off a bit. Remove sweet flavors from your juice's and after a few weeks a whole world of flavors presents itself.

I bought 250mls of Broccoli flavor concentrate for a joke once. Its bright green and horrendous, but after about two days I liked it. You will get used to any flavor, trust me.

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It can be frustrating to want to make say a bakery type dessert and mix some cake with some of this and some of that and it sucks. And it still sucks after a week steep. And then it gets better but isn’t really good after two. I did that for months until I gave up. Then I tried a tobacco and was very happy. Now I realize that tobaccos have a shit ton of complexity in just one flavor and what ended up happening was that I had ended up inadvertently following advice which is to single flavor test everything.

Now, if you want to know how to make sfts more enjoyable, try searching for best single flavors. They tend to be the most forgiving at different %’s as well. Some are just strong enough to deliver some flavor. Some are really complex and some just tasty alone. I’m sure there’s people out there that like cactus alone at two percent. That ain’t me. But I learned that the hard way.

While you’re testing stuff, it helps to have something going that you can vape and be happy with. Drinks and fruits are the easiest to start with imo. Mix two fruits together and see how you like the combo. Add on some lemonade and you’ve got an instant fruit ade. Or go 2% vt fizzy sherbet and you’ve got a soda type.

Start small. Take notes. Make small batches. Read. Stick around.

Man, you have some interesting flavors. I've been mixing about a year now, ordered twice to restock & try new recipes, and you still have more flavors than I've got :)

Don't give up and keep 'em simple for now. Single, double, triple, & 1-2-3 flavors.

I recommend that, I in the future, you build your collection by finding highly rated recipes that look good to you and buy all of the flavors to make them. Diy is a lot of trial and error, keep at it.