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At my wits end
submitted over 6 years ago by sirfletchalotI <3 ID10-T

I'm an avid diy juicer and have been for a while now. I'm happy with my recipes and everything is great ...... apart from one thing.

My wife smokes, she's tried giving up via vaping before but couldn't get on with it. She's now trying again, but it is hurting her throat. She's tried mtl and dtl vaping, I've made up 100%VG juice to eliminate a PG intolerance, different setups / flavours etc and everything apparently hurts her throat! Should she just throw in the towel and go cold turkey? Or is there another option in my juices I've overlooked?

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by Triplecrownerover 6 years ago

How long did her vaping tries last?

When I first switched to vaping, the hits were really harsh for a few days or a week, but the feeling went away. Even all these years later, the first few hits in the morning are harsh.

Maybe see if she'll tough it out for a while and see what happens?

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by FartsMcPoopover 6 years ago

Maybe mixing with Nic Salts would help smooth it out for her? I know I had to be at a higher nic % when I quit and salts would help keep it from getting harsh at the higher %s.

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by Moosucowover 6 years ago

I’d definitely recommend nicotine salt as it’s a lot easier on her through, the only downside is that most smokers who switch to nic salts will cough the first few days using them.

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by shaggieshapiroover 6 years ago

Buy her a juul

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by sloppyjoepaover 6 years ago

This, if health is more important you her than the cost. Cause juuling won’t save her any money.

Alternatively the drop or another low voltage piece. Then you can make her 25 mg nic salt juice for it and she won’t crave cigs at all and it’ll be cheap.

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by ben_gamingover 6 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

My buddy switched to my max VG juice because Juuls were hurting his throat. So that may not help, or it may only help until her lungs adjust.

Also, I remember coughing a lot when I vaped before I stopped smoking entirely. Now I almost never cough, I just needed to commit, and slowly reduce the nic.

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by JohannesVanDerWhalesover 6 years ago

I find that hydration is a big factor. Vaping dries out your throat. Drinking lots of water makes my throat much less irritated. I still get a little, though. Less than when I was smoking. I wouldn't be shocked if temperature is a factor, as well.

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by CultureVioletover 6 years ago

I've been dehydrated for unrelated reasons lately and have felt it compound the dehydration from vaping especially dripping so the dihydrogen oxide struggle is real.

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by 9-8K-Cover 6 years ago

Water, but drinking different things helps too. Milk, for me helps a lot. I don't usually drink milk, but for a bunch of reasons I've been drinking it; and the milk coats your entire mouth and throat and makes vaping harsh juices really easy

So water for sure, but milk works really well too

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by CultureVioletover 6 years ago

Will have to try this

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by MasterBeernutsover 6 years agoMixologist

I have a mate who smokes heavily - both cigarettes and marijuana. Constantly chimney-ing away. As soon as he takes even the slightest draw on a vape he is overcome with coughing fits. Is it a medical/biological issue, is it psychosomatic, is it due to pre-existing airway damage due to smoking? Not sure.

I do know that quite a few people experience discomfort in the early days of vaping, and that discomfort goes away after about 1-2 weeks of vaping. I guess she has to weigh her options. Mild discomfort for a short period of time while vaping - or terminal illness/lung cancer/heart disease etc from cigarette smoking.

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by MiLlIoNs81over 6 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I have 3 friends that are the same, one is really trying now though @least. One even tries it every time she comes by. Likes the flavor, has tried both mtl & dl. But even a short puff she starts hacking away afterwards. Someone explained it as "your lungs are angry at you when you dual use". So add weed to that equation...

I find that since I've switched I notice the harshness of weed smoke to be almost intolerable, almost 😉 But dabs that used to kill my lungs barely phase me anymore 🤷‍♂️

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by St1llFrankover 6 years ago

> I have a mate who smokes heavily - both cigarettes and marijuana. Constantly chimney-ing away. As soon as he takes even the slightest draw on a vape he is overcome with coughing fits.

My neighbor is the exact same way (Cigs & pot). He asks how I could vape. I just say "You're not used to it". He takes one little puff and it's an immediate coughing fit that lasts several seconds.

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by DarkJester89over 6 years agoThe Clone-y Professor

Make a cigarette juice to replicate the flavor, i'd be happy to help find a recipe, just give us her brand. My wife went through this and it was just a mental thing, replicating the flavors..

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Of course it hurts her throat, smoking cigs i bet hurt her throat when she started too.

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by Space_Pegasusover 6 years ago

My gf is pretty much same as op if you know of a good canadian cigarette recipe, I would definitely be interested in that. Belmont/pall mall blue special is her brand

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by DarkJester89over 6 years agoThe Clone-y Professor

Heres my go-to cig recipe, that's non N.E.T. A solid N.E.T will taste phfft, just like licking a god-dang cigarette, but for commercial taste, or you don't have access to an n.e.t

Black Honey (TPA) 5%

Clove (FA) 1%

RY4 Double (TPA) 2%

Tobbacco, DNB (Dirty Neutral Base) (INW) 1%

Tuscan Reserve (Ultimate) (FA) 2%

For Menthol- Extreme Ice (FW) 2%

http://tjek.nu/r/jBwq

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by Space_Pegasusover 6 years ago

just went to order clove and couldn't see flavor art clove. Did you mean flavorah?

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by theinfamousbigdover 6 years ago

I had the same issue at first. I bought a family pack of Halls from my local Rite-Aid and always had a mint while I vaped for the first month. It stopped being as huge a bother after 2 weeks, month later I was all good.

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by Ricta90over 6 years ago

What type of device is she using to vape with? Because the device itself plays a huge role in harshness of the hit as well.

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by sirfletchalotover 6 years agoI <3 ID10-T

She started off with a single 18650 mod, with an aspire nautilus x mini mtl tank, now trying out my old smoant charon mod with a vandy vape kylin rta

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by klutzikazeover 6 years ago

Would going further back tech wise maybe help? I used the mega carts and an ego and that really helped. I dunno how I'd get on with Vaping if I went straight onto a tank and mod.

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by Moongose83over 6 years ago

Try some pod system with high nic (salts) as first? So she doesn't need to take big puffs

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by Dj_HuffnPuffover 6 years ago

Maybe go lower in nicotine and try a direct lunch setup. Most mouth to lung devices hurt my throat at first too

Edit: lung

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by MasterBeernutsover 6 years agoMixologist

Sorry but direct lunch made me laugh. And a little peckish.

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by St1llFrankover 6 years ago

I laughed a little too hard at that too.

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by duo34711over 6 years ago

Some people have a much smoother experience with Nic Salts, it might be worth getting a little bit to experiment with. Outside of that, trying a different supplier for your nicotine might help.

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My local vape shop had an amazing palette for flavors, but their nic was super harsh; it ended up being one of the first pushes towards DIY for me. I took some of their stuff at 0mg, picked up some nicotine online, and mixed it to my usual strength, and it was night/day in regards to the throat hit. She might be experiencing something similar.

For my wife, she has a better time at a lower wattage on a mesh sub-ohm tank. It might not deliver the same level of flavor as a rebuildable (and the coils are a bit more expensive than wire/cotton), but it might provide a different ( hopefully better) experience for your wife.

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Best of luck, man =)

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by jamauldrewover 6 years ago

From personal experience, I believe nic salts would work wonders in this situation. Far less vapor with much more nicotine consumption. Great for heavy smokers who are willing to quit.

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by Pizzaguy1205over 6 years ago

Nic salts

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by demisoneover 6 years agoWTF is a "Terpene?"

I also had a terrible throat irritation after a couple of days of switching from cigarettes to vaping (around 4-6ml daily of 12mg nic juice).

I kept a bottle of water at hand all the time in order to keep my mouth and throat wet and I also changed some liquids that I felt that were very harsh. Not sure if any of these actually helped (the water probably did) but after a couple of days it stopped being an issue.

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by ranjen617over 6 years ago

Try her on like everyone else said, a Juul or even a stick pen like a eGo. After that she will become used to it and will be able to go into a better mod. I started on an eGo pen and within a month moved into a mod then started to sub ohming. Nothing is wrong with those if they work for her to stop the analog ones. I'm sure I'm not the only here that started on a simply eGo.

Go with bought juice that she would like and push a higher mg in nic. I went from an 18mg down. It's easy to do on a stick and not sub ohming. :-)

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by upboatugboatover 6 years ago

If you want a woman to get into vaping, buy her a super small pod device and 50mg salt juice. I'd recommend getting her the Juul and one of the aftermarket power bank cases. The cases look like a pack of slim cigarettes, and keep the Juul charged and stores one or two spare pods. One pod is roughly one pack of smokes. I recommend the Juul because it's small as hell, smaller than it looks in pictures for sure, and it's honestly the best smooth salt experience imo. You can refill pods 10times easily so long as you never vape it till it's empty and dry where you can get burnt hits. You can even go so far as to disassemble and swap the cotton and get more life out of it but around ten refills it doesn't fit in the Juul as well anymore and starts falling out but mostly leaking becomes a real problem around 15 refills. It never leaks in my pocket but it collects up around the power prongs. The lids are machine pressed and not meant to withstand being removed and pressed back togeather 15 times but it's suitable up to around 10 refills.

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by ASCiiDiTYover 6 years ago

I guess the only other option now is nic salts instead of freebase nicotine..

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by Introvertednessover 6 years ago

What's the lowest nic level you've had her try?

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by sirfletchalotover 6 years agoI <3 ID10-T

0

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by Introvertednessover 6 years ago

Rip. Only option I can think of would be to have her push through

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by Phatpharm269over 6 years ago

Much can be technique, airflow, temp and irritating flavors. Sometimes it's a weird reflex reaction to feeling something wet in the lungs, but definitely not the throat lol.

I had success with Freemax Starre Pure tank for fellow smokers. Normally I RTA, but this thing is pretty damn fine

1 points
 
by blacksummit84over 6 years ago

I would try either a pod system of some sort or a mesh sub tank with a mouth to lung coil. The drag mini kit has a great one. My buddy had the same problem with harshness but he quit smoking with that kit.

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by juthincover 6 years agoमैंगो कस्टर्ड

Ok, so even with 0nic and pretty much 0pg she's getting a sore throat? Any chance she's sensitive to kanthal? Some people are. Try a stainless coil if you haven't already. This would also allow using temp control so the vape doesn't get too hot if she likes long drags. It seems everything else has been eliminated, as long as you've tried getting her to vape straight VG (so eliminating nic, PG, and possibly harsh flavors , all in one go, just in case her problem was all of the above...)

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by FlCasprover 6 years ago

She's probably just lying cuz she likes her Freedom torches

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by apaulo617over 6 years ago

Lol buy her 18 mg not sub oh device. That's the way I switched then I put 18 mg in smok aio for my first vape holy fuck I almost died.

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by MackRenover 6 years ago

You could try cutting out the flavors completely. Most flavored juices irritate my throat and chest, so I switched to plain un-flavored juice. I don't know if it would help but it's worth a shot

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by jaowieover 6 years ago

Just curious, but it hasn't been mentioned what nic and what % was used? I find with 100/100 PG nic, even at 6mg strength, it used to leave a scratchy effect. And the rest is what the others have said. Lower nic % or switch to nic salt, leaving it out of the sun and drink lots of water. Try different setups, coils, cottons, wattages. All those could contribute to unpleasant vapes.

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by ObnoxiousOldBastardover 6 years ago

Switch to salt nic. It doesn't irritate the throat at all.

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by ju88aover 6 years ago

I think it maybe the nicotine level if it's sore on throat, if she coughs her lungs aren't use to cold vapor and expect warm smoke but you didn't mention that. Nicotine is harsh very harsh make her a bottle of 70/30 vgpg and 3mg Nico if that works for her then next bottle up the nicotine to 6mg so she gets a proper hit. Good luck keep trying for her!

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by Vaping_Ninja68over 6 years ago

Get her to just hold the vapor in her mouth and not take it into her lungs, she'll still absorb the nicotine that way. Eventually she can try inhaling after a couple of week.

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by FlyDungasover 6 years ago

This is probably stupid ignore if so but maybe look into whether it’s just the vapor being too hot for her. When I started I didn’t realize how hot I was vaping until I burned my throat a bit

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by nettiemaria7over 6 years ago

I know we are on diy but maybe try Prelude by Black Note. It's Very realistic and I've bought 2 bottles of it and 2 of Sonota. Things Always irritate my mouth throat etc but this doesn't bother me.

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by Chas_Kover 6 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Get a pod system with salt based nice. Much smoother

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by Rickster4321over 6 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

How much pot does she smoke?

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by sirfletchalotover 6 years agoI <3 ID10-T

None

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by Rickster4321over 6 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Gotcha. A lot of times peeps forget about that part of combustion in their lives.

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by Jewbatubaover 6 years ago

It's not the best way to do it and a lot of people think it's a nasty habit, but dipping maybe with pouches and vaping once or twice a day helps ridiculously. The constant nicotine from the leafs means you aren't trying to always play with your fingers while the vape still gives you something to do with your hands occasionally without chain vaping for an hour. I did that and haven't touched a cigarette in 4 months, where when it was just vaping I'd break after a week. I'm moving now from dip and vaping to just vaping, but its helped so much for me.

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by Deadlydelover 6 years ago

She's full of shite. Simple as that. She doesn't want to quit. Enjoys the stinkies too much. Don't envy you mate, must be horrible.

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