Maybe this is a dumb question, but I have been wondering about it.
As far as I know, the appeal of nic salts is that you can get a smoother hit with higher mg/ml strength. This makes one think 1mg freebase = 1mg salt. But I also hear that salted nic is able to enter your system more efficiently. And generally the faster you can get a drug into your system, the greater the perceived buzz. Im curious if anyone has tested this out before? I personally feel like it has a stronger affect.
>Salted Nic
Himalayan or sea salt? Asking for five pawns
Himalayan is far better, but harder to source IME.
Nic salts would potentially absorb better through your digestive tract, but in your lungs freebase is cream.
Think Adderall vs meth. Adderall is amphetamines salts, meth is amphetamines freebase.
Think cocaine vs crack. Coke is hcl (salt), crack is freebase.
Freebase will give you a better buzz/mg. Salts will give you a smoother hit/mg. If you're buying nicotine base, you're paying the same or more for the salts, and you'll need to use 30mg/ml to get the same buzz as 12-16mg/ml of freebase. If you don't like throat hit, it could be worth it. Otherwise stick to freebase.
Not to ruin the analogy, (as the coke/crack one was pretty spot on) however Adderall is a mix of d-amphetamine and l-amphetamine salts, while methamphetamine is a different (same basic structure with different attachments that change the effect) but way more dangerous drug lol. It can also be freebase or salt (there is such thing as prescription methamphetamine found in salt form) Nicotine doesn't deserve to be compared to hard drugs anyways though :)
Well, nicotine per mg is estimated to be addictive roughly at the same level of heroin and meth and the like, so I disagree with you on not comparing it to hard drugs, although the medical science on nicotine as a pure substance is certainly tentative.
As for Adderall vs meth, you're right that it's not straight amp, but dextroamphetamine is an amph salt, and pretty damn potent one at that. Methamphetamine as desoxyn is a salt, true, but anyone who buys street methamphetamine is buying "crystal meth," which is a freebase. That is the distinction I was making, sorry to be ambiguous. And then of course you have things like flourinated amphetamines which haven't been studied enough, and those can be salts or freebase, and mdma, which is very different in effects than regular methamphetamine, so yes you are technically correct-there are enormous variations of amphetamines whether salt or freebase. The drug known commonly as "meth," however, IS a freebase, whereas the drug commonly known as adderall IS a salt. You can vape either, but you will have a much more intense experience VAPING "meth" over "Adderall."
Yeah theres all kinds of amphetamine analogues out there, with the whole gray market research chem business. D-amph is definitely real potent either way. Considering how the routes of administration change between salt/freebase I'm sure theres people out there looking for both forms of all kinds of drugs. I do think most people associate "meth" with the freebase form without knowing it though. In any case stay safe my dude ✌🏻
Haha right brother, yeah methamphetamine is just so destructive, my fucking ass. There's a reason ya can't find fluff anywhere unless you're in with the cook and firing up a batch yourself in which I'd never ever be sooo fucking sick and selfish to cook crystal. They crystallization of the methamphetamine "fluff" is where the 'acidic' rotting just deadly Nasty shit is introduced. Fucking lye lithium ummm I'm not too educated by just vile Nasty chemicals are added to just add weight. Fucking greedy cucks. Should be shot on site. And if the money's there for that specific task, not a damn issue for this guy. Have an education and a very very high sense of self confidence you don't have to rely on an attorney for Jack. Study study study. Don't be manipulated into thinking you can't understand anything. Got 72 years turned into 10 days jail just by not falling for their typical manipulative scare tactics. Desoxyn is the prescribed methamphetamine and it's probably the beez fucking kneez lol. And it's illegal ad fuck in the states cause why??? Oh that's right, it opens up the functionality of what I'd like to think, your whole damn brain. So sureeee to the feds yeah an educated public is something to be very fearful of. Sick of this dog shit country. Think we have any fucking freedom, sureeee. If you're a Lil bitch boy that just complies with everything preached well then okay you'll be alright. Buy God forbid you don't listen to what they want you to do. Sit in a cell, they'll try to just scare scare scare. Nonsense. 11 years iv use, yeah that christina is not anything to justify or say is good. But that fluff, oh I'll stand by that. Gotta have a well trained and well educated mind. It's not hard to do if you haven't been completely brainwashed already. When anyone gets all butt hurt speaking openly from hearing just straight facts being spoken, just cause it's not what they want to accept, that's just pathetic, weak nonsense. I'll leave you with this, I'll just say Robert e Lee. Abraham Lincoln. If something that you'd love to see hopefully happen soon here similar to their experiences, please hmu. Infamy is a very big achievement for me and this post here is the honest to God first time even implying anything to the "public" about it. Sucks that the typical citizens are dumber than a box of rocks. But-believe is achieving- so I gotta quit believing this country is filled with just idiot niggers. And educated African, African American will understand they are not a nigger, use your brains people pleaaseeee. There's maybe a reason why all other continents don't have respect for Africa and successful crime organizations DO NOT allow any sorta Africans to associate. Just don't fucking deny reality. Common trend in today's current society. Makes Americans look so so so so so so dumb. Apologies in advance for offending those who simply would rather live in a fantasy world. But just open your eyes guys. It's never going away, it's just not. Accept that fact.
Adderall and meth are equally dangerous, it's just you don't have Adderall in pure powder form on the streets like you do meth. They both do roughly the same thing.
That's actually quite a jump, even prescription methamphetamine has much much higher of an excitotoxin effect than d-amphetamine or l-amphetamine (the two active compounds in Adderall) at equivalent doses. It also tends to have a longer duration of effect, lower threshold dose for effects, and a much much stronger euphoric "high" that can lead to psychosis faster. Theres a reason Adderall and Desoxyn aren't prescribed interchangeably. Also, d-amphetamine is commonly found in powder form very frequently called "speed"
🤦🏼♀️🤔 tyvm I get it now...;)
Pleased to have helped! The salts myth is my unfortunate pet peeve, as everyone will argue till the sun don't shine for salts due to misinterpreting and having insufficient knowledge regarding the chemistry of pax's juul juice. Pax wouldn't have spent the money on patents (much, much harder to get than the standard recipe copyright) if their secret was as simple as throwing salt nic into ejuice.
Super late here but no meth isn’t freebase amphetamine. Methamphetamine has a different molecular structure (extra methyl group) which happens to fit your blood brain barrier much better, and as a result it’s way more bioavailable. You’re right about crack though. This is an ROA thing. Smoking crack is just a faster and stronger way of getting what’s essentially the same thing into your system.
Generally HCl salts of things aren’t too great for your lungs, which is why people freebase coke to smoke crack. You could probably smoke cocaine HCl, but it wouldn’t be very good for you, and it wouldn’t handle the high temperatures as well. Generally would be less effective than crack.
However, HCl salts tend to be far more water soluble than freebases. If you’ve never freebased something, what happens is that the HCl product, in the presence of something like sodium carbonate, ammonia, etc. dissolved in water, as the reaction happens, precipitates out of the water and forms a glob because it’s not soluble anymore.
Basically what I’m saying is, due to the solubility, you can dissolve way higher concentrations of nicotine into a solution using the HCl salt, where the freebase won’t want to get dissolved so you can’t fit as much in a juice. I imagine freebase at the same concentrations used with salt nic would actually probably hit a lot smoother, but that’s just a wild guess.
Sorry v much need to go to the store, WDing hard rn haha
I make my own juice at 6 or 8 mg with nic salts and sub ohm it with a zeus rta, and I do get a buzz when switching back to my juice from freebase in the way that you do when you haven't smoked in a while. Don't recall ever getting a buzz from freebase nic actually. It gets in there, but too slowly to get a buzz and just fast enough to get sick if you overdo it.
I’ve been vaping 12mg MTL. In an Innokin ARES. You can basically blow clouds, not like through a baby beast but way more than a pod MTL.
The nic salts wouldn’t work in a baby beast because of the hit on the chest. Freebase hits more in the throat. 3mg for sub ohm is fine but personally I’d rather vape 3mg clouds freebase than salt nic, because of how the salts hit the chest, which I’d imagine uncomfortable from nic salts via sub ohm.
I’ve even experimented with mixing both in the same bottle lol..
But if your question is in regards to YO HOW DO I GET A SICK NIC BUZZ BRAH then vaping 50mg nic salts MTL and having like 30tokes should do it... if not, buy a 100mg bottle and drink 0.5ml, then wait an hour and repeat slowly increasing the amount until you give yourself nicotine poisoning.
> 3mg for sub ohm is fine but personally I’d rather vape 3mg clouds freebase than salt nic, because of how the salts hit the chest,
Wuhut?
You can absolutely sub ohm nic salts. At lower %'s like 1.5mg, 3mg, 6mg.
I'm subohming some 10mg nic salts right now... some throat hit... no "chest hit"... is that a thing? what would it even be like?