I've just started making my own juice.
I live in the EU, and as you may know, the legislation on nicotine is pretty strict, and prices are pretty high. However, I have found an option to buy nicotine at higher concentration than usual, but the catch is that's in a water solution instead of the PG/VG solution I see everywhere. It is manifactured by a vaping juice brand that can be found in physcal stores.
What kind of negative effects (if any) would using this nicotine solution have on the juice? To give you an idea of the proportions I've tried using the steam engine calculator (unfortunately it always assumes the nicotine is in a PG/VG solution, so there's that): To get my desired nic strenght, I'd have to add 4.6 ml of nicotine water solution for every 100 ml of base liquid.
And lastly: are there any calculators that will allow me to factor in the nicotine as a water solution?
4.6% water is too much, it will snap crackle and pop aggressively even at 2% and the vape will be unpleasant. Just pay more for the superior product and buy freebase nicotine. I've never heard of credible vape businesses offering such a product. The only application for nic suspended in h2o that I know of is when nicotine is used as a pesticide in chemical sprayers, agricultural applications such as this use an industrial grade nicotine that is subject to impurities, not safe! You don't want to cut corners with your nicotine, just do it proper.
edit: that is way too much fucking water. truth.
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the problem is EU has dumbfuck nic rules. I vape 30+ mg my life as a vaper would be a pain in the dick across the pond (the limit set by the EU Tobacco Products Directive is 20mg/ml).
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I mean when I was vaping 18mg ish i was buying 24mg and using 15% flavor and ending up around 20mg/ml, but then you tend to overpay for the base the nic itself is suspended in - when I was buying bulk nic I'd have nude make a 5 gallon batch then decant it into gallons for me (100mg/ml) /shrug
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edit 2: an interesting alternative would be seeing if you can acquire nicotine suspended in MCT. Your 'flavor palette' shrinks to pretty much nothing, and theres very little research, but if you poke around reddit there was one guy who loved it. it will not mix with pg/vg, and needs VERY low temps.
> (the limit set by the EU Tobacco Products Directive is 20mg/ml).
That isn't even the worst part. The worst part is the maximum volume you can buy at that limit is 10ml. I have to buy 50 individual vials for a litre of base, and I only vape at 7mg/ml. I'd order from the US if shipping wasn't so expensive.
> an interesting alternative would be seeing if you can acquire nicotine suspended in MCT. Your 'flavor palette' shrinks to pretty much nothing, and theres very little research, but if you poke around reddit there was one guy who loved it. it will not mix with pg/vg, and needs VERY low temps.
Hum can you ELI5 this for me? I don't know what MCT is and I don't understand what you mean by flavour palette shrinking. Just out of curiosity, as I wouldn't know what to do with something that doesn't mix with PG/VG.
Thanks. Now I'm wondering: I've seen bases with 50/40/10 PG/VG/H2O. Why are they even manufactured if 2% water is enough to make vaping unpleasant? Pre-made juices also state they contain water here, but the box doesn't say in which %. I had some popping problems but it was on the first few days and I may have been misusing wattage/coil.
Its common in some EU countries to use "Nicotine in Aqua" solutions of up to 60mg/ml, if you DIY its fine tbh, at doses of 4.6ml/100ml you'll have a decent viscosity and qualities if you limit the PG as water generally decreases viscosity more than PG would.
It'd be basically unusable with that much water.
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You might look into seeing about getting pure freebase nicotine powder and a milligram scale and make your own base. It's really not that difficult, but you've got to be really spot-on about, y'know, not spilling it, and wearing gloves, and a paper dustmask wouldn't be out of the question either.
Hi I just now see this post. To add 5% distilled pure water in vape is usually fine, and you use less PG, but still get ca the same viscosity. Max VG vapers or people with PG allergies do this fine. PG hydrates and has more throth hit than water, so water max 5% can be smooth if used properly.
You can use this italian one but it does not give you option to half the 5ml solutions for 50ml at 5%/5ml water. It's always at 100ml if you mix good 5%nic. If you brand has same mg - 200nic 300nic 400nic 600nic 800nic at 5ml - 4.6ml is pretty close.
Anyways in ELR just add 5% more of a random flavor called H2O (that you will not actually use in mix) and set to 0% nic on "Desired strength". Then add vg, flavor and pg + your 5% water in nic as regular. (Don't add "Water/Vodka/PGA" there because it reduce both VG and PG equally.) Also I think if it's a vape company the NIC is the same pharma frade, just pure distilled water instead of PG. But 10% nich2o is too much imo. as u say under that some do. stick to 5%
If you want to mix lower ml - feks a 30ml. Just get a 800nic in a 5ml and dilute 1/4 of it to get around 6mg, 200nic equivalent - but still keep water at only 5%. Because if used lover nic 200nic or something you would get more 17% of water from the same 5ml. Like if you have a 5ml h3o nic, that will give you 5% water at 100ml - use half (2.5ml) of it for 50ml. 1/4 (1.25ml) for 25ml ect. just shake it good first.
Not a viable opinion just... If it's in water you can extract it quite easily. Either evaporate or boil out water.
You can even do a acid/base solvent extraction to purify it.
In all case you would be playing with a very dangerous substance... This should only be done with people who have lab experience (not my case).
The problem with society is people want to pay lower and lower for less and less quality.
The problem with society is people wildly guessing at other people's motives and being judgemental about imagined things.
Why would you assume it is lower quality? It's made by a well known brand to circumvent a stupid law.
And it's not even cheaper. It's just that much more convenient since 1 bottle of this solution contains half the volume and as much nicotine as 5 of the others. The maximum bottle size for 20mg nicotine is 10ml. That's 50 bottles to mix in a 1L of base to get 7mg. Imagine if you wanted a high nicotine liquid. To me it's a huge waste of time, energy and glass.