This is so sad… tldr at the bottom.
I cant seem to taste any of my max vg recipes when they were great using 80pg/20vg, even 70pg/30vg.
I have let these recipes steep for 4 days, i know it could require more but in the past i tried a redbull single flavor recipe with 14% red bull with max vg and even after a month of steeping it tastes like nothing. I made sure to try it every week with no results. Now this redbull recipe was great when mixed in 70/30 pg/vg so you get the hang.
With the +70%pg mixes some flavors resulted very perfumy almost giving a chemical taste, and thats why i started to dabble with other ratios like +70% vg, i ask if maybe the pg could be potentiating the flavors making them taste very chemical in some recipes (?)
These specific recipes are all made with TFA flavors
1: bold strawberry flavor
7% strawberry ripe
7% strawberry
3% dragonfruit
Tastes like sweet air with a hint of strawberry… Not too much to enjoy
2: red bull type flavor
Energy drink 14%
Blueberry extra 8%
Same as above. (this one is a killer at 70pg/30vg)
3: creamy coconut
12% vanilla swirl
2% coconut extra
6% bavarian
4: dragonfruit flavor
Dragonfruit 12%
Raspberry sweet 6%
I have other recipes but i feel no motivation to try them with max vg cause i feel the result will not change. So i must be doing something wrong, is it the %? Are they too high? Too low? I thought they were too low but i already tried with even worse results, just plain vg taste, not even sweet air with a hint of an ingredient.
I could add more flavoring too but with some recipes that would make flavorings reach a total % of 30 = not good money wise speaking.
Check these other recipes too : what do you think?
I already tried them on 70pg/30vg and 80pg/20vg and they rock! Me and my friends like them pretty much, only problem is they are very liquid and no vapor production comes out from such high pg ratio.
1: bold melon flavor with a touch of citric
Cantaloupe 13%
8% orange cream
0.5% guava
2: fruit loops cereal
Fruit loops with milk 14%
Cheesecakee graham crust 3%
3: piña colada
Piña colada 13%
Coconut extra 2-3%
4: vanilla bold flavor
Bavarian cream 5%
Vanilla swirl 10%
French vanilla 3%
I thought maybe adding 3%-4% cheesecake for a crust like feeling or maybe i should just add more vanilla french or swirl? If so how much %?
5: snake blood
Strawberry 10%
Strawberry ripe 8%
Coconut extra 1%
Bavarian cream 5%
Vanilla swirl 5%
I tried this one without the 8% strawberry ripe but no flavor on the fruit side thats why i tried adding more.
This last one is decent at max vg after 5 days of steeping but the over all flavor doesnt tastes like the intention i had which was to make a strawberry cream with a touch of coconut or something like that. Pretty much like a dessert.
I need help! Please and thank you in advance for your precious time.
TL DR : I used to make good recipes with +70% pg in the mix, after some chemical tones and some leaking with these experiments i decided to make max vg liquids with around 20-25% flavoring, thus yielding no absolute good results. I am looking for recommendations on the recipes i posted. Thanks in advance.
I think you're overflavoring and getting olfactory fatigue. #5 is 29% flavoring and you're vaping that in a dual-coil RDA, so olfactory fatigue in about 2 hauls on that setup.
Try something like the In a Godda Da Vidda recipe at max VG (around 93%) and see for yourself. I don't think max VG is your problem, plus you aren't really doing max VG at these crazy high flavor percents.
Are you still smoking cigs?
No cigs! Thank you man
Would you care to correct my recipes %, maybe i am over flavoring them but i have to give some of these liquids to a friend as a favor and i am running low on time for experiments.
Also how much should i wait for them to become a decent vape? Steeping time for each one to be at least vapeable
As a starting point I would target 10 to 15% flavor total for each recipe and steep them between 10 to 20 days. Recipe development and testing takes a lot of time so you can't really rush it, sorry dude. In the meantime just mix some highly rated recipes and learn from those.
This is the correct answer here. I personally try to stay at or under 10% total flavoring. I know I'm missing out on some great recipes, but I can always just adjust the total flavor percentage of those to get an idea of the profile.
On top of that, a lot of great recipes have only around 6% total flavoring. Prickly Victory or Leche de Coco by hash are some great examples for that, also folkarts boss reserve clone with 4.5% total flavoring.
Just break out some portions from a completed bottle. Then dilute at different volume ratios. Can try 50/50 or varying base ratios to modify the original PG:VG
Label / document your samples.
Then try after a palate cleanse or resting the senses with some straight VG + nic.
TFA percentages will be higher for sure. I typically try and buffer that with FA in low concentrations.
I use max VG. Flavor and a couple ml of 200mg PG base is the remainder.
Lots of variables on the build and mod settings, airflow etc. Presume no big changes there?
Too much flavor is just as bad as not enough.
Learned that the hard way with my pink starburst recipe.
Wasn’t able to taste it at 19% flavoring but once I lowered it roughly 14%, it was so good that my local shop bought a 500mL batch and sold it for me.
Is that a recipe you can share? I love pink starburst and recipes are few and far between.
This is something Im super interested in, and know virtually nothing about. Olfactory Fatigue is the bane of my vaping.
Do have any good sources you would recommend? Also, how does one calculate how many tanks you can hit before vapers tongue sets in? I would very much like to know.
It sounds like you may have messed up your palate from over flavoring. I would mix up some popular recipes that are below 20% flavoring with the recommended vg/pg ratio and vape unflavored for a few days while they steep to reset your Taste buds. Drink lots of water too.
Haha man i thought of this. I prob messed my palate from over flavoring, ive been doing this for like 8months. Do you think a few days of vaping unflavored work? What about vaping menthol or spearmint liquids! At least to get some flavor fix
I think it could def help. Menthol or spearmint would probably work too. I’ve been doing single flavor grapefruit recently for a cleanser and it def works. I only say unflavored because it sounds like your taste is completely gone.
How old are your flavor concentrates? They can get weaker with time... but seriously, unless you've had some major impairment to your sense of smell, you ought to be able to taste plenty of flavor from 6-8% total flavor (assuming you don't use insanely weak-ass flavors like VCV1.) Check out the many 1-2-3 recipes.
My flavors are new not even a month old. How ever i would like to know how should i preserve them so they can last a lot (more than a year). I have them in 120ml bottles. Thank you
And man i dont know i think my smell is impaired from so much over flavoring, why? dont you think it is normal?
I meant that anyone with a remotely normal sense of smell and a reasonable ability to taste (I have fairly developed ability to taste, but my sense of smell is quite subpar, and I regularly min recipes with less than 10% total flavor - before cooling agents, that is) should be able to get something from recipes with low levels of flavoring (if those flavors are the right ones). In fact, I could m8x a recipe with less than one percent total flavor that would be quite potent.
Hello, i wanted to ask you since you are speaking about flavorings getting bad.
Whats the best way to preserve them? Ive heard putting them in a freezer as well as nicotine. Nicotine specially dividing the total 150ml in 15ml bottles so i dont have to open them so much as the bigger one.
Can i preserve them this way for more than a year? Or just storing them in a drawer at room temperature give me the same results.
Regards.
What kind of device are you using to vape these?
Fuchai squonk 213 and an apocalypse v2 rda clone, altho i have tried them all in other set ups (vandy vape pulse rda and tfv8 with rba) and they taste the same pretty much.
Just wanted to be sure that you are using an RDA.
It seems like you're waaaay over flavoring. This causes olfactory fatigue. There aren't many TFA flavors that I'd use over 5%. Strawberry Ripe in particular has a crap ton of Ethyl Maltol in it. This will mute everything else for sure when used above 3-4%.
I want to try 4% ripe with 4% strawberry and a bit of dragonfruit (%3), and compare it to the of my 7% ripe 7% strawberry and 3% dragonfruit batch.
Do you think at 4% for strawberries i can check out the ethyl maltol muting flavors? I accept any other flavor to add as a recommendation to make a bold strawberry liquid.
Also, how do you know about the EM concentrations on the tfa liquids? I mean, i know they post the ingredients sheets at their site and you can check if the concentrate already has ethyl maltol but how the hell do you know if the ethyl maltol is too much to mute other flavors? Or i am sensing it is more of a rule like if a flavor already has ethyl maltol, it will tend to mute the over all flavor of the liquid when using it a more than 5% as you said?
I hope there is a better way to check this out other than trying for yourself... This is getting exhausting
Serious question... Where do you newbies starting out get these percentages? And don't say everyone was new once. I'm genuinely curious how you came up with those flavor amounts.
If I had to guess it would be bc they grab the suggested starting percentages from the flavor reviews and just throw it all together. I know I did something similar and ended up with a vial of vile tasting juice. I used 5% for my single flavor tests and threw a few I liked together at 5% for each flavor and ended up with something so bad. It tastes like a straight up campfire.
E liquid recipes dot com is a massive db for all sorts of recipes from two flavors to complex clones. Sort by most reviewed and u get lots of help and advice
70 or 80pg?
Surely it's the other way round, right?
Not what you want to hear but diy is a total exercise in patience at first. It really takes sooooo long for me to get to know what percentage to use a flavor at alone, forget about mixing them together. One solid place to start is to check the percent a flavor is used at alltheflavors.com and then start with that. Usually it’s a good average barometer of where’s a solid baseline of percentage to start and you can increase each time you make it until you think it’s had enough.
I agree that it’s counterintuitive but too much of any flavor tends to kill the flavor. In this business, less is definitely more.
Well to add i just picked up a fruity loops with milk liquid i made about more than a month ago at 6%, 70pg/30vg… Liquid tastes like nothing! This is where the frustration comes out when people tell me i use too much flavoring, the thing is with less is more i can seem to grasp the more! The 14% fruit loops tastes way better.
Could it be that it is a single flavor recipe? I mean i should at least taste decent, i dont want to risk adding the cheesecake graham grust @3% in fear it will not work…
Let me say, I’ve been experimenting for almost a year and only 100% diy since January. For me, there was a learning curve. Nothing I made tasted ‘good’. Some of it was capable, some was average. I decided to go the route of mixing recipes that were the highest rated at alltheflavors. What I learned was that I didn’t like everything I tried but it tasted like juice at least. I’ve now tried at least 20-30 different recipes. Some just were NOT for me and some tasted great with the EXACT SAME flavor I thought was crappy tasting in the others.
Go figure.
So in the end, you only got to make yourself happy. If 25% vanilla bean ice cream is your bottom bitch, then I say have at it. I’m hearing you say you’re not happy with your mixes so I’m thinking you should try some suggestions you get here and see what works for you.
Lastly, I’ll say this: I suspect your earlier efforts in high pg brought some flavor that the max vg didn’t because there was just so much flavor you’d have to taste something. But what happens to me is I get numb to a taste even at an average of 1% sometimes. And you’re hitting at 10-20x that level. You may need to slow it down and reset your buds. Try flavorless for a day or two and then start at the average % moving up 1% at a time.
I remember allot of posts 3+ years ago stating that PG held flavor better than VG. I have also seen where allot of people say some recipes are better with some PG or Saline added.
Are you mixing it up well? Maybe heating the VG a bit till its thin and then shaking the crap out of it?
A simple solution to figure it out is to cut a bottle down in flavor by adding 30% more vg and then testing it.
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Hello sir, what good would it do to my mixes add 30% vg? Ive heard this before but never got it. Maybe eliminate the chemical taste in some mixes? As well as the perfumy sensation that distracts you from the over all flavor
Adding 30% more VG to a bottle would lower the amount of flavor in the total amount of ejuice.
Or you just make a whole new bottle and lower the amount of flavoring by a third.
I found out long ago that I only need 5% through 10% of flavor in the majority of my recipes. Usually every recipe on the internet is just too much flavor for me.
I also found that I like more sweetener than most people list in their recipes. Anywhere from 1% to 3% depending on the recipe. Sweetener got a bad wrap due to everyone throwing off on the commercial juice. Did they not realize there is a reason that the sweeter juices were selling better?
For awhile there every mixologist sounded like a fedora wearing neckbeard when it came to someone using sweetener.
Yeah...cause VG is gross.