So, previously I wrote a post here that was titled "My big mouth eliquid literally tastes like vomit. Why?".Go look it up if you're interested for the full story.TL;DR : I had a really shitty experience with a lot of Big Mouth concentrates. A lot of people suggested I write an email to the company asking for a list of ingredients on their flavors or at least to ask if they had included butyric acid in their products (since that might be causing the issue).Fast forward a couple of days after I wrote them an email, I got a response.I will directly quote what the support staff from Big Mouth Liquids stated:
>We can assure you that we do not have any form of butyric acid or other hazardous materials. All the ingredients that are used in the concentrates are approved by the food industry authorities.
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>Unfortunately, we cannot send you the list of ingredients that falls under the confidential information aspect. We can assure you one more time that all the ingredients are approved officially by the corresponding state agencies.
Furthermore, since of my negative experience with their flavors they were kind enough to offer this:
>Regarding your situation in particular, we are ready to compensate you with the new flavors for you to test in case there were some circumstances that led to these consequences. Also to compensate your discomfort we are ready to add additional top 5 flavors for free.
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>Please send us your contact address so we will be able to organize the pack for you. Thank you!
A couple days of emailing back and forward with the staff (which was, by the way, very polite and professional). They were able to arrange and send me the compensation package. I'm still waiting for it to arrive. I can write a bonus update to this post with the stuff they sent me if you guys are interested! Let me know!
Overall I'm writing this post just to show you guys that the company states of ***no form of butyric acid or other hazardous materials in their products.***I am doing this simply because I realize I might have given Big Mouth Liquids a bad reputation with my previous post and I simply wanted to show you the professionalism and care for their customers that they put in.By the way, thank you guys for all the suggestions and comments you left on my previous post! <3
Butyric acid isn’t hazardous, and I doubt the veracity of their claim not to use it.
> Butyric acid isn’t hazardous
...except to tastebuds, and possibly whatever you throw up on.
Well Hershey’s chocolate is using BA and it tastes like vomit to anyone who’s not a yank, so there you go.
FDA approved vomit.
But why would they use it? That's the stuff they used in whale wars to stink bomb Japanese ships. What flavoring company would even use it?
It's in a majority of the cream flavors and a large variety of fruit flavors from every vendor. It's used to give creams mouthfeel and authenticity.
There are people in this world that deliberately eat Durian. I don’t know what to tell ya.
What makes you not take their word for it?
The fact that they're conflating it with hazardous materials. Butyric acid is perfectly safe and could still be in the "concentrates [that] are approved by the food industry authorities" category.
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The problem is a safe, normal ingredient that you are sensitive to, not a dangerous ingredient that shouldn't be there.
this to all the other folks but it sounds like a legal-ese response because its chemicals, and in the public eye, folks see acid and then think..lawsuit. lmao
I'm gunna hazard a guess here and say that the customer support rep who answered did not know what butyric acid was, and thought OP was referring to just another chem scare like with diacetyl. Free stuff is free stuff tho, props to them for caring about their reputation..
It may not be butyric acid - not at first, anyway. It may be a butanoic ester - e.g. an ester with a butyl alcohol substitution - which then got exposed to UV, heat, or a chemical process (redox, acid/base catalysis...) which caused it to split into its acid and alcohol fragments, whereupon the alcohol fragment reacted with air to produce butyric acid (or the acid fragment was already butyric).
This would not surprise me, butyl esters are used in a variety of flavours.
I wish I was this educated in eliquid ingredients... If you don't mind me asking - what are the worst things companies put in eliquids?
Probably some of the sweeteners - especially sucralose and its ilk. I'm not opposed to artificial sweeteners (especially if otherwise mountains of traditional calorific sugar would be used) and/or flavours in food, but I am opposed to their use in vapes if they are chlorinated (as sucralose is; it is a chlorinated sugar which makes it far more potent) or otherwise likely generate toxic byproducts when heated to decomposition.
Sucralose and other chlorinated (or just halogenated to be more abstract about it) artificial sweeteners in particular I'm concerned with, as they're likely to produce poly[chloro/halo]benzenes upon decomposition, which can intercalate DNA; PCBs are carcinogenic for this reason, and you certainly don't want to be inhaling them.
I strongly recommend using temperature control (TC) when using sweetened juices. I do - usually with stainless steel coils.
> what are the worst things companies put in eliquids?
Other than vanillins?
Sucrose and fructose are actually harmful to vape. (They produce harmful to inhale components when heated to normal vaping temps). Butyric (and butanoic) acids are horrible. Human beings are frequently primed to throw up at the smell of vomit...it's a survival trait - when the whole village was eating the same thing, if one person threw up because it was toxic, it was best for everyone to throw up.
I'm getting the vibe that English is not their first language. The sentence structure sounds a bit odd. I've never heard of Big Mouth. Are they in the USA?
Big Mouth Liquids, website says its USA made
I just checked for myself. They're based in Vilnius, Lithuania and they use DHL to ship, which is international. In and of itself, it's not a big deal, I was only commenting on the grammar, it didn't sound native to my 'ears'.
I used to manage a local store and there was a lady from them that contacted me to maybe buy their aromas, she was pretty insistent on selling us their concentrates, but i had the ocasion to taste a lot of their first "models"... all of them completely disgusting, chocolate ones tasted/smelled like cat urine (once even made my wife vomit just from staying near me while vaping them). i kept insisting to her like no thank you, i haven't managed to find a person that enjoyed your liquids, we can't do business... but she persisted daily with ridiculous offers, samples to be send etc.
Big Mouth i think its honestly one of the worst concentrates there is, the only thing that sells them are the packing, people get fooled by them, but you only have to buy it once and you won't touch that again though.
Actually I like one of their concentrates. Its called "BubbleTrouble" and its this grape-gum flavor. It tastes exactly like an offbrand bubblegum that we had here when I was a child. Maybe that's why I like it :D If you have some spare money try that out and let me know if you completely hate that one too :D