Did you get those flavors for your coco tobacco? I have to revisit all my notes because when I bought the bulk of my tobaccos this time around I still didn’t get everything. Maybe I’ll isolate which ones were INW if it is that affordable.

Oh and cross reference all the damn recipes I want to try that I don’t have like one flavor for, of course.

There's a cigarette brand called "USA", guessing that's where the name comes from?

No. Most flavors have zero sweetener

For the most part I use a Wotofo Conqueror Mini with some simple 26g kanthal coils. About .5 ohms at 30 watts. I’ve got two set up like that that I take to work with me, and 2 unopened just because I haven’t been satisfied with any other tanks and want to make sure I can always have one.

When I do MTL I use a Berserker Mini with a simple ass 26g 316L coil at about 17 Watts. I usually only use that around the house. MTL isn’t really my thing.

No tobacco experience outside of those? I’d suggest starting kind of small. Unfortunately, to get what I would consider a decent “tobacco starter pack” you’d have to order from two different places. Usually the FLV tobaccos are a bit more beginner friendly, and they’re good. So I’d maybe start off with Cured (not a huge fan personally, but it’s pretty popular), Red Burley, and Kentucky Blend.

If you like those, my second order suggestion would be to go to Vapers Tek and pick up INW Black for Pipe, Gold for Pipe, Tobacco Absolute Cuban Cigar, Tobacco Absolute Garuda, and Dark for Pipe. I’d also suggest getting some INW DNB, which you should be able to do on your first order as well unless you order direct from Flavorah. DNB is a really ashy flavor, but it’s kind of nasty in a good way. I have not tried either of the juices you mentioned, but I am going to make a guess that the ashtray taste you get from them is not going to be the same as the ash taste you will get from DNB.

Do you get any clove-ish notes off of black honey?

From what I've read in previous threads they take ages sometimes.

Depending on when you ordered Friday, it's only been one business day

CAP Cool Mint

If you're into wintergreen, yes.

I also have a vanilla mint recipe.

Only really used FW Candy Cane with a bit of TFA wint-o-green and stevia. Few menthol drops if that's your thing.

Is the new Fortuna strike any good, or was did it turn horrible like many did?

https://www.bullcityflavors.com/candy-jammy-wizard-fa/

Creams might help make them more palatable but ultimately most chocolate flavors just aren’t good.

This is probably a case of picking flavors at random. TFA Double Chocolate Clear and FLV Milk Chocolate are both pretty good.

Botboy's Key Lime Pie. I haven't mixed it in quite a while but I recall it being very good, maybe you can work some his magic into your cheesecake.

• 1.70% FA Custard
• 3% TFA Key Lime
• 1% TFA Pie Crust
• 2% TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust
• .50% FA Lime Cold Pressed

Edit: I found his original post on it - you might find the discussion helpful

https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/46110#largo_milk_by_ediblemalfunction

If you have recipes that you like already it works out cheaper. Some of my mixes cost me £0.89 - £1.90 for 60 ml. But I also have loads of 72mg nicotine from before TPD so I don't ha e to pay for Nic shots.

So in short it could cost you less. But it can also cost you loads more as you go down the rabbit hole and start buying loads of concentrates to try new recipes and end up with 300 plus concentrates and still feel like you need more.

It's hard to beat novavapes for cost but it would be cheaper to DIY, although probably not by a huge margin. As the others have said, it's potentially more expensive at the beginning when you have to put the money up for flavours, scales, bottles etc but will be cheaper in the long run. I think ECR_EU recipe might be available somewhere but I can't find it. But yeah, also it's a consideration about whether you would find recipes you're happy with. I'm sure you could but novavapes is quite high quality.

Also, unless my maths is wrong (most likely) the numbers you mention mean the flavourboss concentrates are much cheaper, 60mil equates to £2.60. I guess that is for a oneshot or bottleshot though so you would also need VG and nic. Not much difference though probably.

If you don't want to do full DIY then oneshots are certainly a cheaper middle ground than buying premade juice.

If you have the patience and time to suss out recipes, plus the initial costs to get set up I'd say do it. Every juice I've mixed up has been superior to anything I've tried from Novavapes. I've spent near £60 with them trying practically all their range (aside from the ice stuff) and maybe liked 1 juice, the rest I've either sent to redditors, given it away or its still on my shelf. Gutted as that £60 could get me a fair few flavor concentrates, a nice set of scales and loads of bottles.

Have you looked at Chef's Flavours UK? They have a lot of inexpensive one shots. I'd recommend the Ejuice Makers line as all of those folks are fantastic mixers. £6.25 for a 30ml and enough to make 200-240ml (dependant on the recommended mix %) of finished juice.

Sucralose is what you want, but it does have a flavor. Then again, so does sugar.

It seems FW Sweetener or FLV Sweetener might be your best options, CAP Super Sweet if you can't get the others.

Check out the Flavor of the Week for sweeteners.

Note that sweetener will be very hard on your coils. Some are harder than others. I remember seeing a test from a while back of someone doing a burn test on different sweeteners to see what kind of gunk is left behind. I think I remember Cap Super Sweet being one of the more gunky ones. I've also noticed the Cap SS tends to crystalize around the cap on the bottle, like little bits of sweetener stuck where the liquid evaporated.

Personally I find VG to be fairly sweet on its own if you drip that straight. But if you were diluting with PG that can add its own taste to it. I don't have much experience with other sweeteners but I've heard Fat Daddy's Sweetener is good for taste without producing a lot of gunk.

Edit: Referring to the sugar cube taste.. I've never tried Cap Super Sweet by itself but I did try a couple drops in a small glass of water and it was incredibly sweet. Very thick, sugary water taste. That may be what you're looking for.

Sugar Daddy sweetener (available from thebrokevaper.ca and chefsflavours.co.uk at least, maybe also somewhere else but no idea where else to try) is supposedly closest to sugar taste.

You don't need to breathe juice

Are you saying to vape 0mg? The flavor will be a little different but it is still imo the same flavor.

If you want recipes for pre-made juice, make sure you post to the Clone thread instead. Unless you give us info about the juice with your question here, we have no idea how to help you with the recipe.

Googling the juice pops up with Pacha Mama Fuji Apple Strawberry Nectarine. If that's the same juice, you'll want:

• JF or FA Fuji Apple

• FA Red Touch Strawberry

• JF Sweet Strawberry

• TFA Nectarine

I'm gonna say no. Unless you:

a) want to inhale bits of burning cork (worst case scenario)

b) enjoy wood/cork flavor in your eliquid.

A mason jar would probably work a lot better

You may want to ask /u/abdada or /r/Deeper_DIY for that info. Terpenes are essentially basic flavor volatiles, and not something the majority of mixers would have.

I've been curious about that as well. I haven't really done much research but I have seen TFA offering various terpene strains on their website. It could be something good to try out if you were looking to make a cbd vape and wanted a more natural flavor.

It's against reddit's sitewide policy to have links to vendors that sell nicotine, so please edit that out and I'll approve the comment.

To answer you question; if you're actually shooting for a target of 60mg/ml with 100mg nic suspended in PG then yes, 60% of your mix will be your nic, so no less than 60% will be PG. The flavors are also PG based, so it increases the overall PG in the mix. You can't have more VG unless you either reduce the nic or flavor percentages or buy VG based nic.

I haven't yet tried INW Raspberry but I have it coming in an order that will be delivered today. I can try mixing up a small batch and getting back to you if you'd like. I really enjoy raspberry as a food but I've found when in a vape it can get very strong and kind of punches through other, taking them down.

Haven't actually tried INW Grape before either but that will be coming in on my flavor order today as well. Maybe the 4% you sampled it at was too high. Did you try lower percentages as well? Grape isn't my favorite flavor at all but I've been wanting to try Grack Juice. White Grape could be more of a flavor I enjoy but I don't think that's the profile that INW Grape is meant to give.

Before you order, head to chefsflavours.co.uk and chuck the same list of flavors in a basket there. Shipping will certainly be less. If the price of your order is close enough otherwise, that might be the way to go.