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#This week's flavor is: RY4
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Not really my preferred profile for a tobacco vape, but I dabble in it.
HS RY1: Didn’t get much of the vanilla or caramel, and the flavor is pretty light. In my opinion, if RY1 sounds intriguing to you, just get HS Flue Cured. More flavor, and tastes more like what I would imagine an “RY1” would be. If you go with RY1, 5% to start. Flue Cured should have plenty of flavor if you start at 2%.
HS RY3: Probably my favorite of the Hangsen RY family. Very robust taste, and very light (if it’s even really there at all) on the vanilla. Has a bit of a sweet cigar vibe to it. The caramel note kind of leans towards cyclotene (think TFA RY4 Double) but it’s got a bit more than that to keep it from tasting harsh or dirty, and just feels nice and full. Makes for a really nice single flavor. Start at 3%.
HS RY4: Probably my favorite “RY4” flavor for single flavor. It’s got that Hangsen tobacco taste- which is kind of hard to describe if you’ve never had a Hangsen tobacco. There’s a dark sweetness that most of them have in common, and then this one has a very rich caramel and a little vanilla on top of it. Might even be a bit too rich for me to go all day with, but then again I find that is true with pretty much all RY 4 type of recipes. Start at 3%
INW RY4: Not very robust or rich, but it is a fairly ok flavor. It’s pretty sweet, and just sort of tastes like a cleaner TFA RY4 Double. I have a hunch that it’s probably a clone of FA RY4 since I’m pretty sure INW started off the TDM line just making clones of FA flavors, but I haven’t tested FA yet, so don’t quote me on that. Only tested at 2%.
INW RY0: I don’t really think I’m getting any vanilla, and there’s a sweetness to it that I will assume is caramel. It’s not really coming across as a maple caramel type thing like cyclotene, so that’s cool. Kind of reminds me a bit of HS RY1 in that I think they are both trying to do the same thing. Not super tobacco forward, and the tobacco note is coming out as more of a dryness than anything. Only tested at 2%.
INW Caribbean Blend: While not technically named RY4, their description calls it an “RY4 Double” type of flavor. Been a while since I’ve tested it, but my notes say that it tastes like a sort of generic RY4 with maybe a hint of coconut. Haven’t seen it sold anywhere except the Inawera distributors, but it’s probably nothing worth tracking down unless you just really want to try all the INW tobaccos like me. Only tested at 2%
JF RY 4 Double: Basically a cleaner, and more concentrated TFA RY4 Double. If the TFA version tastes like dirt to you and you or you have to steep it a month to enjoy it, try this at 3% and give it a shot after a week or two.
TFA RY4 Double: Do I really need to say anything about this one? Probably not, but I suppose here would be a good time to mention my little trick for making this flavor workable, and taste a bit like a commercial juice RY4. 3-4% RY4D with 1-1.5% SC/FE Cigar. Bam, it’s fixed. I really like that combo. Used it in my Adventure recipe and my Tripoli tribute/sort of clone (went a little higher on the Cigar in that one, you just have to adjust for what you think the recipe needs.)
TFA RY4 Asian: I like this one quite a bit, actually, but haven’t really played around with it much. Instead of tasting dirty and kind of harsh, it has more of a satisfying kick to it. Almost maybe some kind of spice to it as well, or am I crazy here? Someone let me know.
That’s about all I can think of off the top of my head. I have FA, HS RY2, and the TFA RY4 Type, but haven’t tested them yet. Meant to before this FotW came up, but I didn’t get to it.
Edit: the bots are coming for me.
Cyclotene
Cyclotene (maple lactone) is an organic compound used in flavors and perfumery for its maple- or caramel-like odor.
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Cardinal by Fear.
Great googly moogly! If you haven't tried this your life is incomplete.
Agree 100% if your looking to get into some tobacco vape just buy these 3 flavors and you wont be able to put it down.
Definitely gotta give it a shot but gunna need a ton of holy grail ry4 😂 i already know im gunna mix a 240ml of it
Good thing the sweet spot for pricing seems to be the 4oz bottle at about .16¢ per ml. The smallest bottle we can buy if we're planning on mixing 240 ml is the 1oz which will cost us about .34¢ per ml.
I haven't ordered from DIYFS before, are there any other "must have" flavors I should pick up from there?
Do the FLV flavors really cover up that horrid vanilla, tho?
note to the downvoting fucktards: it's a relevant question
It's not that they cover it imo, but make it an inch or two closer to a cigarette type or real tobacco type flavor, rather than just pure ry4. Flv tobaccos are really potent.
I'm curious about how others have made an ry4 mix from scratch, without any ry4 specific flavor to lean on as the base. I played with one but not sure what tobaccos would be best.
2% fa caramel + 1% fw salted caramel + 1% fa butterscotch was an amazing caramel stone to use in that mix, after a 2-3 week steep that stone turned into the perfectly gooey caramel, I almost felt like I was chewing it was so damn thick and flavorful. Delicious!
Paired with 3% tfa french vanilla creme + 2% tfa vc or another cream of your choice, 1% toasted marshmallow and 0.5% AP its a great foundation for pretty much any tobacco you could want to use. Thick and rich all around, just need to find the right baccos to punch through everything.
An RY4 from scratch is something I've been trying to make off and on for awhile now. I'm someone who is almost never fully satisfied with a recipe, constantly making little tweaks almost every time I mix, but this one is as close to a "perfect" recipe I've made. I can't share recipes on ATF so I'll just put it here, with some brief notes:
Crown Jewel RY4
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5% SM Aged Burley. Finding the right tobacco to fit the profile I was going for was tough. Other tobaccos on the market, while good, were either too dark, too light, or just not what I was looking for for this. Stixx Mixx has a bunch of great flavors that fit the bill for the rich, medium body tobacco I was looking for, and Aged Burley is one of their best imo.
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2% FW Butter Pecan. The first time I smelled this concentrate I knew I had to make an RY4 with it. It's got the perfect amount of buttery caramel to make a great base for a nutty RY4. The pecan isn't too overpowering at this %, but any higher and I find it to be a little harsh.
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1% FW Butterscotch Ripple. Everyone probably knows this flavor by now. I like my tobaccos to be tobaccos, not dessert vapes with a tiny bit of tobacco, so just 1% of this to add another touch of caramel and slight creaminess.
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0.5% INW Shisha Vanilla. Again, you know the one. And again, just adds a touch of vanilla, since I think vanilla should be the most background flavor of an RY4. The bright vanilla and sort of frosting like smoothness just works for almost anything.
If anyone mixes this, I'm sure you won't be disappointed. This is sort of my crowning achievement in mixing (hence the name) and an easy to mix ADV if you like RY4. I'm probably still not totally done tweaking this, but I still mix up this exact recipe alongside the new variation whenever I mix it. Enjoy :)
You've really got me interested in this recipe, so much so that I'm ordering the flavors tomorrow. Would you say this is a light or full flavored recipe? I love a good ry4, this sounds great.
Awesome! I think it's definitely closer to a full flavor, despite the percentages being on the low side, but the supporting flavors are light enough where you won't get tired of it after vaping it all day. It's complex but subtle at the same time. Okay that sounds really pretentious, but it's what I was going for and I think I accomplished it lol. Beware though, since StixxMixx are NETs, it's a coil gunker. After 8-10 mls it starts to taste pretty dirty/ashy, but that sort of adds to the authentic tobacco experience for me so I don't even mind it lol.
Anyway, let me know how you like it! I recommend at least a 2 week steep but it keeps getting better over time. 1 month (if you can wait that long) is when it really comes together. I'm open to all kinds of feedback on it as well - negative included. Of course, feel free to change it to fit your tastes, though I think the pecan/caramel/vanilla ratio is perfect and I would love to see it become a kind of "nutty ry4 stone base" used in other people's recipes. But change away, that's the great thing about DIY after all.
That looks fantastic. Definitely going to mix that up tomorrow afternoon. I've been loving the Stixx Mixx NETs, they are so authentic, full and rounded, and nuanced. However for me, the one thing they are missing is that super saturated "punch-y" flavor, sort of like the flavor in Abuela that all the FLV baccos come together to provide. I don't want to just up the % of the NETs, so I've been trying to give them a leg to stand on using complementary INW and FLV tobaccos
|Flavor Facts - RY4| |-------| |RY4 recpies on ATF| |RY4 recpies on ELR|
| Flavor | Comapny | Review | ATF | ELR | |---|---|---|---|---| |Holy Holy Grail RY4|DIY Flavor Shack|by HashSlingingShashur| on ATF| on ELR| |RY4|Flavor Express|by ConcreteRiver| on ATF| on ELR| |RY4|FlavourArt| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RY4 Fruit&Nut|FlavourArt| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RY4 Legend|FlavourArt| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RY4 Nutzilla|FlavourArt| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RY4|Hangsen| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |Carribean Blend (RY4)|Inawera| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RY4 Double|Jungle Flavors|by ConcreteRiver| on ATF| on ELR| |RY4|The Flavor Apprentice| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RY4 Asian|The Flavor Apprentice| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RY4 Double|The Flavor Apprentice| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RY Whore|Chefs Vapour| - - - | on ATF| on ELR| |RJ4|One Stop DIY| - - - | on ATF| on ELR|
Fast RY4
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TFA RY4 Double
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OSDIYS Lucky Shot
Lucky Shot is a complex flavor with heavy vanilla, caramel and graham cracker notes. I use it in a 4:5 ratio with the RY4 depending on device and steep for two weeks. They are both very forgiving flavours that hit all the notes you are looking for. It’s a great lazy recipe.
For example, I’ve been using it in pods at:
TFA RY4 Double - 10%
OSDIYS Lucky Shot - 8%
How i'm enjoying my RY4: https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/111838#criteria_by_ccivinski
I guess I’ll have to be mixing this up
A few well known recipies in the realm of ry4 goodness.
The New Pistachio RY4 U by /u/enyawreklaw
Edit: Also paging /u/chemicalburnvictim for his wise tobacco knowledge.
I wouldn't call Raven well-known... that's the consequence of not caring whether a particular recipe is accessible, you'd have to order from at least three different places to get everything needed to make it.
That Chocolate Truffle is so good though.
DIYVS has everything but that Chocolate Truffle. So close!
Vaping Zone my dude. The "SC" flavors there are the same as the SC flavors at BCF/FE at ECX. The SC-Gourmet line is Baker's Flavors. I'm surprised you haven't gone there for their tabackies yet
Tobacco, Canat Tobacco, Tabakum, Yuco, Klondike, Snuff Box.
Aren't you curious about how Russian flavorists do tobacco?
Here is my take on an RY4 with some kick to it. Even Cardinal didn't have enough tobacco, so I used Dark for Pipe and a couple other strong tobaccos to get it where I wanted. I find TPA RY4 Double to be a lighter, less sticky caramel, with almost no tobacco. DFS Holy Holy Grail is different, in that the caramel is heavier and fuller, again almost zero tobacco. I get no vanilla from either.
This is a work in progress, kinda inspired by Prairie, but I really enjoy DFS Holy Holy Grail and wanted to utilize it's profile being different than TPA RY4 Double. The heavier caramel is more suited to a recipe meant to be relatively sweet. I think I'll be dropping the nut mix and possibly the AP, and adding some FLV Lovage Root to get that wet cigar mouthfeel.
I love hangsen tobaccos, and I'll be getting their RY4 in my next order.
> Here is my take on an RY4 with some kick to it.
Damn. Now I need to get some RY4D.
Dude, i've mixed RYDark the day you posted it, but couldn't remember who you were or the name of the recipe haha
I liked it, man, can't really say much more as it's been a while, but something i found myself mixing more is taking that recipe and switching the % of Dark and Black, the fruity note on Dark for Pipe bothers me a bit at that % and i dig the 'smokyness' that upping B4P brings.
Thanks for the recipe!
I've only been mixing for a couple of months and this is the first recipe that I like where it's going. I feel it's not complete yet though. Any criticism would be welcome.
RY4 Gold Ducat Graham (also ATF link)
Ingredient|% :---|---: Gold Ducat (INAWERA)|0.50 Graham Cracker (FW)|1.00 RY4 (FA)|4.00 Vanilla Swirl (TPA)|1.50
Flavor total: 7%
In the next round of testing, I will sub the FA RY4 with FA Shade, sub the Vanilla Swirl with TPA French Vanilla Creme and add TPA Dulce de Leche Caramel (not the old version).
I've been working on building my own RY4 with TFA RY4D as a base. So far I've tried it with TFA Bavarian Cream, Acetyl Pyrazine, TFA Banana Cream, and FA Fuji Apple (all single flavour + RY4D)
All were mixed with ry4d at 8% as a base, with the average of each flavouring added.
RY4 + Bavarian Cream: Creamier than RY4 alone (obviously) but a bit bland.
RY4 + AP: Thick, nutty, and all around great. One of my favourite simple combos.
RY4 + Banana Cream: very strange. The banana cream adds a nice creamy taste and strange but addicting banana flavour. Not my favourite combo, but good nonetheless.
RY4 + Fuji: Definitely my favourite of the bunch. I haven't tried Apple-Bacco yet, but I'm gonna mix up a bottle today. This combination happened by mistake after dripping some of r/ID10-T's cinnamon apple fritter on a set of coils I've been vaping ry4 on exclusively.
This reminds me of an old recipe I used to do after Apple Bacco came out. This is just a close guess at what it was but will give you a guide and it was great.
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TFA RY4D - 5%
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FW Cinnamon Roll - 3%
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FA Fuji - 2%
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FA Liquid Amber - 1%
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TFA AP - 0.5%
Similar to the muffin man clones that were around at the time but with RY4. Liquid Amber turned the Fuji into cooked apples too.
If you get a chance, try FLV sweet coconut with the RY4D and report back. (I don't have any ry4d atm, I thought I did, but...)
A couple works in progress
The first actually was pretty well received by my ~~guinea pigs~~taste testers. The second one is still in primary steeping. Bit of a wait yet to see how it's received.
I'm not a tobacco flavor kind of gal, I'm just wondering why it's called RY4. Is it short for Really Yummy (recipe) 4? lol
Wow lots of great info here in the comments! Love it!
I dont have much more to add to all that great info, but here is a recipe i have been developing for a while now. It started off with me trying to figure out a way to use TFA Irish Cream. After SFT-ing it, i decided it might work in a creamy ry4 styled recipe. Here is my current (and best version so far imo). Would love some comments or ideas on how to improve it, or if you have the flavors maybe try and mix it. I realize the overall percentage is quite high at 17%, and in future versions i will probably try and lower some things down - but i generally like full flavor, and in your face type profiles. Also, TFA irish cream seems quite weak to me, so i had to jack its percentage up quite a bit for that interesting note it has to come through.
Profile: My attempt at a smooth, sweet and rich ry4 with a nice and unique dark/smokey caramel note. The TFA irish cream adds to the dark cream notes, and an interesting note that i find hard to describe.
Ingredient|% :---|---: Caramel (FA)|1.50 Creme Brulee (INAWERA)|2.00 French Vanilla v1 (CAP)|3.00 Irish Cream (TPA)|7.00 RY4 Double (TPA)|2.50 Sweetener (Sucralose) (FW)|1.00
Flavor total: 17%
Remember to rate it at e-liquid-recipes.com!
I should revisit my Bailey's & hot chocolate recipe and get that finished... but I'm fairly certain you're using more Irish Cream than is necessary.
Bailey's & hot chocolate sounds fantastic. My holiday season drink is Bushmills & Bailey's. Might make a great pairing. #everydaysaholiday
FA SOHO best flavor/juice I've ever found. Sometimes I even manage to go a week without vaping it so my taste returns and I cab get a solid 4 days just looking at my Kayfun every few minutes thinking "god damn this is good!" Mixed at 12-20% depending how my 4oz bottle is looking. No idea what it tastes lile, my brain says butter, have a friend who tastes hazelnut, another says carmel and tobacco. Whatever the fuck FA was able to come up with I just wish they release some other variations based around the primary Soho ingredients.
Really enjoyed DIYFS HG for a bit, loved that it painlessly cab get me off Soho for maybe a week or so. Mixed with FA Desert Ship and steeped a week can really make it a next level tobacco vape versus more of a dessert vape standalone. Putting in my yearly flavor order soon and will be sure to get what's needed to try the Cardinal recipe.
Hangsen ry4, been enjoying a lot of this with either SC Deluxe Tobacco or mixing it with INW Biscuit plus something else to sweeten it up, vanilla swirl or marshmallow or sugar cookie is nice.
Any thoughts on a good caramel to add to Soho? Something in between realistic and candy?
I just tried diyordie obsidian, but subbed the FW pie crust with FW yellow cake 1%.
After a week, quite delicious. Sweet, heavy, deep, warm baked cookie with ry4 notes. Yum. Bravo to Wayne on that mix.
Try the newer obsidian recipe that uses flv cookie instead of flv cookie dough. But don't add anything else like peanut butter. Imo it's also very good. Very sweet too tho