Help to convert recipe from MTL to DTL

submitted about 7 years ago by penatbater

So I found this recipe on ELR: http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/1578952/Menthol%20Tobacco

And the mixer said he made this for MTL. Can I ask for some help how to tone it down? The % are really off the charts for DTL.

|Stixx Mixx|American Virginian|4%| |:-|:-|:-| |TPA|Koolada|1.5%| |OTH|Menthol in 10% PG|4%| |TPA|RY4 Double|3%| |TPA|Sweetener|2%|

Also, do you think I can use FW Menthol for the menthol here? Idk if all menthol are made the same/similar. I'm thinking, tone down koolada down to 0.5%, menthol to 1%, sweetener to 0.5%.

Comments

4 points

by benphillips_about 7 years ago

Id just drop the menthol, koolada, and sweetner all down to 0.5. That looks pretty good to me.

2 points

by kindgroundabout 7 years ago

That Stixx Mixx NET should probably come down to about 2-3% as well. It's pretty potent.

1 points

by penatbaterabout 7 years ago

Interesting! Other tobacco concentrates from Sm typically need like 6-7%, like A+. I'll tone it down to 3%.

1 points

by TheCosmicTruthabout 7 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

What brand is OTH?

1 points

by TheCosmicTruthabout 7 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

> Menthol in 10% PG

I'm missing everything except the sweetener, PG, VG and Nicotine LOL

from ELR:
Notes
I wanted a menthol cig vape, so I made one.
AMERICAN VIRGINIAN- very close to a regular cigerette taste
TFA RY4 DOUBLE - Tobacco with caramel
TFA KOOLADA- For cooling sensation
MENTHOL CRYSTAL SOLUTION 10% - Best menthol I could make. Better than other menthols I've tried.
TFA SWEETENER - I use this in everything. Used 2% just to give it a touch of sugar.
FOR BEST RESULTS: 2 week steep, 50/50 vg/pg 12mg. This juice is made for a mouth to lung device such as: Aspire natulis mini, Icare, penguin, etc.
This tasted like a Marlboro menthol cigarette to me, imo.
I hope you enjoy it!

1 points

by penatbaterabout 7 years ago

It's not a brand. I think some people make their own menthol by dissolving 10% in pg.

1 points

by juthincabout 7 years agoOne of "The Damned"

From ATF? When there isn't a single manufacturer (like WS-23) or the one who added the flavor to the DB didn't bother including manufacturer info, from what I've seen.

1 points

by jambipkabout 7 years ago

The 12 mg, 50/50 blend is what makes this an MTL. Go 70/30 VG/PG, drop the nic to around 3 mg, and you'll have your DTL. Personally, I'd also delete the Koolada entirely, and maybe drop the Menthol down to 2.5% as well (FW or whatever 10% menthol you want to use), but that's just personal preference.

1 points

by penatbaterabout 7 years ago

I thought like mixing for MTL often means bumping up the % of flavors to 150% of the original DTL one.

1 points

by jambipkabout 7 years ago

True theoretically, drastically reducing nic is going to bring flavors way forward, but other than the Menthol and absurdly high Koolada, his ratios seem more or less reasonable. Raising VG is going to add a bit of sweetness and somewhat tone down the flavors, so I'd leave them where they are for now (aforementioned suggestions excepted).

When I bump up VG in mixes containing sweetener, I do a first mix without the sweetener, see where it's at, then add sweetener if/as necessary. Generally you can get by with less, but personal preference and all...

Personal experience with (FW) Menthol is that it hits plenty intense at 4%, which is why I suggested starting at 2.5%, but it depends on what you're going for. I'd want the Stixx Mixx to be slightly in front of it, rather than buried by it, but that's just me.

Eliminating the Koolada is personal preference. I've found the stuff to be rather destructive at over .50%, and it's definitely not what I would use to boost menthol, though I see where the mixer is going with it. I might do that with a touch of absinthe, anise, spearmint, something that would add dimension to menthol which Koolada cannot do. A delicate touch with one of those could also add implied sweetness that combined with the higher VG would eliminate having to use sweetener. For me that's always a plus, though I know a lot of vapers like really sweet juice.

1 points

by juthincabout 7 years agoOne of "The Damned"

The originator of the recipe likely has developed a tolerance to cooling agents, and has increased percentages to get the cooling level desired. The levels aren't insane if you consider that for someone who only vapes cooled juices, the recipe would barely register as cool, let alone cold.

1 points

by juthincabout 7 years agoOne of "The Damned"

No. That's if mixing for a pod system. There's people that subohm MTL, and they get more flavor from the same juice as DTL.

1 points

by penatbaterabout 7 years ago

Oohh yea! I confuse MTL and pod vaping. Still, the flavors seemed a bit higher than normal. well there are already a lot of helpful suggestions here. Thanks for your suggestion too, and the clarification!

0 points

by juthincabout 7 years agoOne of "The Damned"

MTL gives more flavor than DTL. You need to remember that cooling agent sensitivity/tolerance varies by individual. Drop them to .5% each if you don't typically use them, but lose the sweetener. You can always add some later if you think it's really needed.

6 points

by Pardozabout 7 years ago

> lose the sweetener

If OP is used to commercial liquid, might want to go with the Stock Premium Commercial Liquid Recipe:

80% VG
3% Nic
17% Sweetener
Hype and marketing to taste.

For the recipe at hand I'd probably drop the Koolada entirely (irritates my throat) but keep the menthol where it is (then again, I enjoy a nice brain-freezy menthol.) As you say, individual mileage varies - start with a small batch at a much lower percentage, adjust up to taste.

1 points

by juthincabout 7 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Good point.

0 points

by FUNNYBOOBIESLOLabout 7 years ago

There are 1,000mili grams in a gram.

3% of 1,000 is 30. So 3% nic is 30mg.

You mean 0.3% nic, which is 3mg.

1 points

by juthincabout 7 years agoOne of "The Damned"

He meant 3% 100mg/ml nic, obviously. Only a great fool uses 1000mg/ml nic.

0 points

by bobnidabout 7 years ago

If you can replace the koolada with ws-23 at .5 and drop the sweetner (personal preference)

Edit: i can’t get numbers right

1 points

by juthincabout 7 years agoOne of "The Damned"

WS-25 is hard to source and I'm fairly certain it lacks GRAS classification. WS-23, tho...

2 points

by bobnidabout 7 years ago

You are right, I meant 23