This is part of project I agreed to take on after it was pointed out that so many of the resources in sidebar and wiki are ancient. The idea is, rather than revising them myself, I'd post them here once per week to gather feedback on how to improve them. They belong to all of us, everyone should have a say in what they say.
This week, we have an easy one. It also isn't that old; Apexified updated it just one month ago. However, he did it all by himself, I'm asking for your help to see if we've overlooked something. It's common abbreviations page in the Beginner's Guide and here is it's content:
Common abbreviations you might see in the DIY_eJuice subreddit:
This | Means | Category ---|---|--- AP | Acetyl Pyrazine (provides bready flavor) | Ingredient ATF | All The Flavors | Recipe Sharing/Calculator BCF | Bull City Flavors | DIY Supplier CAP | Capella | Flavor MFG Chefs | Chefs Flavours UK | DIY Supplier DIYFS | DIY Flavorshack | DIY Supplier DIYVS | DIY Vapor Supply | DIY Supplier DOD | DIY or DIE | Resource ECF | E-Cigarette-Forum | Resource ECX | ECigExpress | DIY Supplier ELR | E-Liquid Recipes | Recipe Sharing/Calculator EM | Ethyl Maltol (typically a 10% solution) | Ingredient FA | Flavour Art | Flavor MFG FE | Flavor Express | Flavor MFG FLV | Flavorah | Flavor MFG FM | Flavor Monks | Flavor MFG FW | Flavor West | Flavor MFG HLV | Heartland Vapes | DIY Supplier HS | Hangsen | Flavor MFG INW | Inawera | Flavor MFG JF | Jungle Flavors | Flavor MFG LA | LorAnn Oils | Flavor MFG MF | Medicine Flower | Flavor MFG NET | Naturally Extracted Tobacco | Ingredient NF | Nature's Flavors | Flavor MFG Nic | Nicotine | Ingredient NN | Nude Nicotine | DIY Supplier NR | Nicotine River | DIY Supplier OSDIYS | One Stop DIY Shop | DIY Supplier & Flavor MFG PG | Propylene Glycol (a mixing base) | Ingredient PDO | 1,3-Propanediol (PG Alternative) | Ingredient PUR | Purilum | Flavor MFG RF | Real Flavors | Flavor MFG SC | Super Concentrated | Flavor MFG SFT | Single Flavor Test | Terminology SG | Specific Gravity | Terminology SS | Super Sweet (Sweetener) | Ingredient TA | Tobacco Absolute | Ingredient TFA | The Flavor Apprentice (AKA TPA) | Flavor MFG TPA | The Perfumer's Apprentice (AKA TFA) | Flavor MFG VG | Vegetable Glycerin (a mixing base) | Ingredient VT | VapersTek | Nicotine Supplier VTA | Vape Train Australia | Flavor MFG VU | Vaping Underground | Resource VZ | Vaping Zone | DIY Supplier WF | Wonder Flavors | Flavor MFG WL | Wizard Labs | DIY Supplier
#Throwback Thursday Question: See anything missing from here?
The list as presented is good for looking up something you don't know - because the terms are alphabetical. But when looking for what's missing, I think they should be arranged a little differently. How about this?
|This|Means|Category| |---|---|---| |BCF|Bull City Flavors|DIY Supplier| |Chefs|Chefs Flavours UK|DIY Supplier| |DIYFS|DIY Flavorshack|DIY Supplier| |DIYVS|DIY Vapor Supply|DIY Supplier| |ECX|ECigExpress|DIY Supplier| |HLV|Heartland Vapes|DIY Supplier| |NN|Nude Nicotine|DIY Supplier| |NR|Nicotine River|DIY Supplier| |VZ|Vaping Zone|DIY Supplier| |WL|Wizard Labs|DIY Supplier| |OSDIYS|One Stop DIY Shop|DIY Supplier & Flavor MFG| |CAP|Capella|Flavor MFG| |FA|Flavour Art|Flavor MFG| |FE|Flavor Express|Flavor MFG| |FLV|Flavorah|Flavor MFG| |FM|Flavor Monks|Flavor MFG| |FW|Flavor West|Flavor MFG| |HS|Hangsen|Flavor MFG| |INW|Inawera|Flavor MFG| |JF|Jungle Flavors|Flavor MFG| |LA|LorAnn Oils|Flavor MFG| |MF|Medicine Flower|Flavor MFG| |NF|Nature's Flavors|Flavor MFG| |PUR|Purilum|Flavor MFG| |RF|Real Flavors|Flavor MFG| |SC|Super Concentrated|Flavor MFG| |TFA|The Flavor Apprentice (AKA TPA)|Flavor MFG| |TPA|The Perfumer's Apprentice (AKA TFA)|Flavor MFG| |VTA|Vape Train Australia|Flavor MFG| |WF|Wonder Flavors|Flavor MFG| |AP|Acetyl Pyrazine (provides bready flavor)|Ingredient| |EM|Ethyl Maltol (typically a 10% solution)|Ingredient| |NET|Naturally Extracted Tobacco|Ingredient| |Nic|Nicotine|Ingredient| |PG|Propylene Glycol (a mixing base)|Ingredient| |PDO|1,3-Propanediol (PG Alternative)|Ingredient| |SS|Super Sweet (Sweetener)|Ingredient| |TA|Tobacco Absolute|Ingredient| |VG|Vegetable Glycerin (a mixing base)|Ingredient| |VT|VapersTek|Nicotine Supplier| |ATF|All The Flavors|Recipe Sharing/Calculator| |ELR|E-Liquid Recipes|Recipe Sharing/Calculator| |DOD|DIY or DIE|Resource| |ECF|E-Cigarette-Forum|Resource| |VU|Vaping Underground|Resource| |SFT|Single Flavor Test|Terminology| |SG|Specific Gravity|Terminology|
The first thing that I see missing (cuz it had me scratching my head for a while - hehehe) is SNV = Shake and Vape.
EF= Euro Flavor
It’s been getting a little confusing lately because Seedman used to be SM, but now there’s Stixx Mixx, and they are both mostly tobaccos. Probably hasn’t been confusing too many people, but it has for me.
GF= German Flavors (Vapers Tek exclusive, and speaking of them, they’re a DIY Supplier/Nicotine Supplier)
FR= Flavor Revolution
DNB= Dirty Neutral Base, though that can be a bit tricky too. There’s a premixed Base that INW sells that already has DNB added in, and you just use it like you would PG or a Nicotine Base. Then they have “DNB Flavor” in the Wera Garden line. So really, everyone is using DNB in recipes, not Dirty Neutral Base. Good ol’ INW confusion.
RY4D= RY4 Double. Probably not actually confusing, but could be good to know for a beginner.
I’ve seen the INW “for Pipe” flavors shortened to B4P and D4P and so on, but maybe not enough to get mentioned.
MB= Molinberry
Some sites list Inawera as INA or IW
HC= Health Cabin
LB= Liquid Barn
WTA= Whole Tobacco Alkaloid
The DNB would definitely be helpful, since it's actually sold on BCF (possibly others) as DNB. I remember looking for it searching "Dirty" or "Neutral". Didn't finally find it until I was browsing INW flavors one day.
Cap V1 or just V1 = Capella's Vanilla Custard V1
VBIC= Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
CCI= LorAnn's Cream Cheese Icing
AiV= Alice In Vapeland (Flavors)
Great list! The first one missing that comes to mind is VBIC. That one confused me a bit back when I was a newer mixer. Most of them I can figure out through context but some flavor abbreviations are tricky for me unless I already have the flavor.
Edit: SNV - shake & vape
So, you know which of these:
VCV1
CCI
NYCC
CGC
DX PB
?
All of the above I have in my collection, except DX PB. Somehow I mucked it up way back when and ordered the original version. Only ever used it once so I'm not sure what the difference is between the two.
But yes, the flavors you listed above are common enough in recipes that I think new mixers could benefit from having them listed somewhere. Even if separate from the main list. After reading through some recipes, most of us can probably figure out that GCC is Graham Cracker Clear. Though the more tech-oriented of us may confuse it for the GNU C Compiler. I remember CCI gave me some trouble at first until I realized it was a LA flavor.
VW vapewild. Some of their DIY flavors are definitely legit especially wild custard and lemonade are delicious
Their flavors are just rebranded FW and TFA. They do not make their own flavors.
They are also not a recommended vendor. They’ve done some shady shit in the past.
So to just clear this up, we don't make our own flavorings in the sense that we are doing the whole manufacturing process. We make e juice and we would rather use someone that has reliable and great quality when it comes to flavorings that we use. This does not mean we are just reselling other brands with VapeWild labels, we personally mix and create a proprietary blend that we use. As for Shady stuff, oxidized nicotine is bad and we're happy to fix it when we're in the wrong, we kinda learned the hard way on that one. However, after plenty of training and changes our Customer service is always happy to communicate to the capacity that we can about DIY products (which by the way its 99.7% nicotine suspended in VG 100mg/mL but you probably already knew that).
I mean, good on you guys for fixing it, but jumping into the DIY game without having proper knowledge available to your consumers on your website, nor through customer service when the products became available painted you guys in a very bad light. Not only was it hazardous to the people buying from you who had no experience in DIY, but it also carried a message that seemed like you guys didn't take the DIY community seriously, hence the rapid and vitriolic reaction to your products that many of us carry to this day.
If you continue improving, I imagine those of us in the "old guard" will be drowned out and forced to re-evaluate our viewpoint on you, but first impressions are everything, and the first impression your company gave us felt very disrespectful towards a hobby that we have spent both years of our lives and thousands of dollars on.
I've been ordering pg nicotine and VG from them for at least 7 months with zero problems and ordered juice from them for way longer and the only mess ups I've ever experienced was when they just sente a whole mod instead of the doors I ordered and how they always give me free juice every order lmao guess that's what u mean by shady but I'll take delicious free juice any day u can call me shady 🤣
They were selling brown nic claiming that’s how it was supposed to be. They claimed 100 mg Nic was pure nic, not suspended in PG or VG. They botched a giveaway they made for DIY.
Taste is of course, subjective, but their juice is basic as shit. They are nothing special. Just because they give free samples doesn’t mean they are a good company.
Curious if you actually know for a fact they have rebranded flavors? I can't seem to find anything that backs that up and I haven't had any flavors that tas5w like theirs and I've had a lot of custards and none taste like the wild custard or mild custard for that matter.. Curious where u heard /read it.. Mainly because of that's true i would like to see the list at what flavors they are so I can order on bull city also when I'm not ordering from Vapewild
Might be good to add the Chef's specific name changes.
The ones I know of:
- Lauren's Flavours = LorAnn
- Xpress Flavour = Flavor Express
- Flavour Creative = FlavourArt rebrand
And can we have a list of crazy alternate named flavors? I can’t even remember off the top of my head (at the beach yay!) but there’s a few. I remember being like, “is this the same as...?” Several times in the beginning.
You mean rebranded flavors?
Idk maybe it’s just me but I remember being confused by some of the names. Maybe it was the inw ones that were in polish or whatever. Maybe I get confused easily now that I’m over the hill. Meh, ignore me.
Psst .....ID10-T Don’t forget about those One Drop Flavors that dropped off the face of the earth as fast as they appeared 😂😩 ..call them ODF? Idk? Just a suggestion but maybe they should be included there are a few recipes w them I believe...😬. But, great job to u and Apex and thx for all the hard work!