Well as the title says, im highly frustrated with my mixing for standalone flavors. I use TFA, and the juices i buy here seem to be rewrapped, i mean it is a company that imports them to my country and then they seem to bottle them up (sometimes as i have understood, they seem to add extra flavors just to kick up the real flavor), this should be a good thing. They are also cheaper than the prices on the web, i get 15ml for 2.20$.
Problem is, i keep reading the % people use here and they are no way useful to me, they never have taste even after steeping. I only use USP pg/vg + nicotine 100mg/ml. I have to say i crave an intense flavors.
I mix by using the weight method with mt syringes and scales. For example if i want a 14% flavor in my 60ml base, i put in 8.4ml of flavor and then 51ml of base then add the nicotine, this would be, for 3mg= 1.8ml. A total of 60ml
These are the % i use to mix so you get the idea:
Red bull/energy drink = 14% (nice taste intense)
Dragonfruit = 12% (intense and superb)
Fruty loops/cereal (this one comes with chocolate milk) = 14% (awesome)
Strawberry (not sure if ripe or not but has a candy taste) = 14% (this one is gold)
Skittles = 9%
RY4 Double = 9-10%
Pineapple = 14%
Cantaloupe = 14%
Mint fresh (not sure if its called like thay but tastes like a mint mojito) = 3%
Frangelico = 10%
This flavors listed give me a very nice vape, but this is where the frustration begins, i have tried all these flavors using the 5% rule, even after steeping i get nothing.
Bavarian cream (this one is a bitch) = from 5% to 14% even after a week i taste nothing... Not even a vomit taste, just nothing.
Coconut extra = 12% to feel something
Mocha = 10% and i get nothing
So none of this works, and it seems weird to me that i have to use so much % for flavors listed before where for example people say pineapple and cantaloupe should be mixed at 5-7%. The fuck i am doing wrong?!
End of the rant...
Thank you my beautiful people
Single flavors usually aren't very satisfying, especially if you want intensity. Each flavor has a ceiling and using it above that doesn't make it any stronger, but it can alter the impression quite dramatically.
That said, what you're describing sounds a bit fishy, I'd try another vendor just to be sure. What country are you in?
You may also want to consider FLV, INW or FA. They are far more potent and if you can't taste those even at 2-3%, something is seriously wrong.
I am living in venezuela dude, i already tried 5% and nothing. I mix with 70pg/30vg or 60/40 pg/vg, do you know if this has something to do?
Okay, I don't know who might ship there if you can't find other domestic vendors, but I suspect BCF or Chef's might be worth a shot, if it's even possible to import.
5% of TFA is not the same as 5% of INW.
The PG/VG ratio has nothing to do with it, as long as there is a bit of PG in there.
Honestly though, the more I read in this thread, the more I'm convinced your quest for intense flavor might be the real issue here. Severe over flavoring not only alters the flavor, it can even mute it and cause vaper's tongue in a heart beat.
Holy hell 12% coconut extra!?! Man if I tried that everything would taste like suntan lotion for a month.
I don’t know what to tell you. Something is definitely wrong.
It would take forever to get the coconut out of your atty.
Your percentages are CRAZY high man...
What setup are you using? If you're having problems with all your juices it might not be the juice.
Its not the setup my brother, i have an apocalypse rda gen 2 gold plated, have tried it on smok baby beast tank, on a vandy vape rda, etc. Its all the same
Alot of online shops buy the TFA or CAP flavour in big bulk and vend them per order that's why they are rebottled. It is a bit worrying because if you get one you wanted to try and it turns out horrid makes you wonder if it was the real juice or not
Thats exactly what i thought, i am getting pure TFA? What are your thoughts on this. Im tired of wasting time and money lol
Exactly. I bought a pineapple by TFA. Read loads of good reviews about it. Bought it. It was rebottled. And tasted like arse. No matter what I do with it it is unvapable. Now I won't buy another TFA Pineapple because it was so bad but what if what I had wasn't that at all. Makes you wonder
2% is turning into straight up vomit for me, 1% is the highest I'll go and even then it's a very potent candy flavor that easily blankets a +10% recipe. The thought of vaping 14% of that stuff makes me cringe.
If you still have it though, try this recipe, it's pretty delicious.
Maybe the rebottler/distributer you buy from waters(well, with PG, but...) down the flavors? Maybe the flavors are old? Maybe they just aren't transported correctly and flavor volatiles boil off in transit? Maybe you need to invest in something relatively modern like a decent (ie -NOT Smok) subohm atty? Maybe you just are too used to juices containing a shitload of sweetener? Lots of possibilities.
Yeah the first one could very well be, how do i know if the liquid is diluted in PG? I mean excessively diluted
If you can accurately measure (say three digits) a known quantity of the flavor, I believe TFA makes the densities (SG) of their flavors public. Most are different from PG. So if for a specific flavor 1ml is closer to the weight of pure PG than the weight the flavor is supposed to be... (The problem is trying to accurately measure by volume to obtain the sample to weigh.
I'd u live near even a medium sized University they often sell off old chemistry equipment. You can get a titration set, and a shit load of other chemistry gear, there for super cheap.
If cost is not an issue, or at least not a big one, Amazon has a great industrial section and you can get what you need there.
Yeah it might be watered down like others have said. I dont use 10%+ of any of my TFA flavors. Even 7% is high for me. Maybe i should try it though because my juices are a bit bland most of the time. But bland is a lot easier to vape than headache inducing over-flavored juices which is what usually happens when i mix in 10%+.
I think I'm a wierd one I don't use anything from TFA above 4% and most are in the 2-3% range.
Most of my mixes all have less than 12% flavor over all, with all but 1 of my ADVs being 8% or less. They seem intense to me and people I have try them say they are good....I dunno. I feel like a lot of people use wayyyy too much flavor and end up overwhelming their palates.
Also I swear by Bull City Vapor and Gremlin Diy I've been buying from them for years now and I've not once had an issue.
TFA White Chocolate solo should be around 12%. Even in a mix it's best to keep high. But then TFA has really potent flavors too, ~~Cinnamon Spice~~Death by Cinnamon... Taro, Blackberry come to mind. They swing wildly between extreme potency and extremely weak-ass shit.
I found that as I started creating my own juices, my taste buds diminished rather dramatically. I had to take 2 days off of flavor vapes (I used just 30/70 pg/vg with 3mg nic). Tasted like crap, but after two days, my taste buds were back in full swing and flavors that were bland suddenly were amazing....just my two cents