So I'm not much of a coolant fan, but I've been on a WS-23 kick lately. Had Icee Grape and I loved it despite accidentally adding way too much cactus. Had Backwoods Lemonade and I loved it. I also had /u/juthinc's Lemonade with INW Grapes instead of FA Forest Fruit, and I loved it.
Then I had Manly Strap-On and I didn't love it. Fuji came out a little bit too strong (wheres my mango?) and too much Fuji does this weird thing for me that makes the exhale pretty hollow. It's like exhaling air with just a tiny hint of plastic apple. So I cracked open the bottle and added 6 more drops of mango (little less than 1%) and 3 drops of WS-23 (who knows) and now I love it. I get the mango that I need, Fuji is tamer, and the hollowness is filled in with cold. Maybe it's cause it's hot as balls over here or maybe it's cause WS-23 is the shit, but I love it. Time to add it to all my disasters and see if it's salvageable.
My entire mixing philosophy is based around salvaging crap recipes with ws23.
Chilled Strap-Ons are a nice when the weather is right...
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100°+ here. I'll take a chilled anything anywhere.
I can't vape DL without WS-23. I started vaping while living in Vietnam and almost all Malaysian ejuice has WS-23 in it. I could have bought some USA ejuice at one of the premium shops in Hanoi but I was looking for a menthol cig substitute so naturally I when down the coolant route.
I was pretty shocked ~2years ago when I came on reddit and there were maybe 3-4 posts max mentioning WS-23 (both diy_ejuice and deeper_diy combined). Without those posts I wouldn't have been able to start mixing my own stuff and escape always buying Malaysian juices. I'm very thankful for that (and my search ability lol).
I'm so happy to see this! My first vape, other than pods, was in Thailand, where I picked up a Vaporesso Tarot Nano, and a few bottles of Graple from PhatJuice.
I'm addicted to Graple, and of course I can't order that from the US.
Do you, by chance, have a decent clone recipe for Graple? I've tried different grape flavors, with WS-23, and a couple different apple flavors, and can't even get close.
I'm also not sure what kind of Sweetener to use to match that awesome Graple Goodness! heh
Thanks in advance!
I feel you, grape seems so difficult to figure out. First off check out this thread and I'd try this recipe since it's claiming tio have cloned a "commercial" grape juice which is what we're definitely trying to do: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/8svqxf/so_i_accidentally_cloned_ruthless_grape_drank/
But I haven't had any luck getting even remotely close to a Malaysian grape , Graple is quite good, I don't have any of that right now but I remember vaping thru 2 bottles last year. I have at least 10 different malaysian grapes on the shelf next to me and even tho they are all 100x better than my DIY efforts, I still find that I prefer a few more than others.
Check out https://vapeclubmy.com, they sell all Malaysian juice and will shipto almost any country, I know they have Graple too as it's where I go to read reviews when choosing which grape juices I should give a try. Now I don't know the rules on importing nicotine items but they do carry a lot of juices 0mg so it might be easier to just order 0mg to guarentee no problems with delivery then just add your own.
Everyone says TFA Grape Juice is great and I havent been able to try this one yet. It's the one flavor that I'm really hoping gets somthing close whn I order it next. Also FLV Grape.
I've tried INW Grapes, FW Grape Soda, TFA Grape Soda (terrible), NR Ocean Myst, and Cap Concord Grape with Stevia, they are all missing something huge. Even in combinations they don't get close to a commcercial Malaysian juice. Ocean Myst is interesting but much more tart and cranberryish than really grape, but I've found some vapable mixes with it and Cap Harvest Berry, I'm sure it could be used with some other combos too. FW Grape Soda is not terrible, still far from what we're looking for, rumor has it that it's about 50% sweetener so I've read that using it to sweeten a grape mix instead of a sucralose sweetener can be a good move. But I think the commercial juices we are used to have something like Cap Super Sweet added. INW Grape gets mentioned here a lot and it seems like people like it but I've never had a good experience with it, considering I've never bought a Malaysian grape that I didn't like, and INW Grapes tastes nothing like grape to me (more like a slightly mint toothpaste) I feel quite positive they don't use it.
Hope this helps, if you come across anything that works for you please update and let me know
Thanks so much for the detailed reply!
I've been working on a Graple clone. This is the closest I've come so far:
- Ingredient ml Grams %
- Nicotine juice 48 mg (100% VG) 3.75 4.73 12.50
- PG dilutant 10.22 10.59 34.07
- VG dilutant 11.25 14.19 37.50
- Total base 25.22 29.51 84.07
- Apple (Green) (FW) 0.27 0.27 0.90
- Apple, Fuji (FA) 0.45 0.45 1.50
- Cactus (INAWERA) 0.24 0.24 0.80
- Grape (CAP) 0.88 0.88 2.94
- Grape Candy (TPA) 1.02 1.02 3.40
- Grape Soda (FW) 1.02 1.02 3.40
- Super Sweet (CAP) 0.30 0.30 1.00
- WS-23 30% 0.60 0.60 2.00
- Totals 30 34.29 100
Sorry for the poor formatting.
Here's a link to the recipe: http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/2538782/Graple+Ice+Blast+%25232
It's actually a little strong. I think I need to reduce the Grape (CAP) and let the Grape Soda (FW) come through a little more. The FW Grape Soda seems very good, as does the Grape Candy. It's a little hard to tell as I've only tried them this once, mixed together.
I found VapeClubMY, and have some Graple Intense on the way. They were out of stock on Graple. I did order with 6 nic, and it's left New York, so it looks like the nic will be a non-issue - at least this time :)
I tried this with Koolada first. Not even close. WS-23 is extremely close to the blast you get from Malaysian juices. In combination with Super Sweet (CAP), it's quite close.
I wonder if they're using some additive like Smooth to help blend the flavors.
What's another Malaysian Grape juice that you like? I'm hooked on the icy blast - it makes for a perfect summer all day vape.
Again, thanks for the great information. I'll keep trying to get this closer.
WS-23 is just a more concentrated version of koolada, correct? Or something different with the same cooking sensation?
WS-3 is Koolada. Specifically, koolada is a 10% solution of WS-3. WS-23 is half as potent as WS-3 but is normally sold as a 30% solution, so if you use it as a 1:1 replacement for koolada, you'll get a roughly 50% increase in cooling, without the off taste.
WS-23 is different, and apparently is less potent than Koolada from what I've read.
Just ordered some WS-23 from BCF. I'm expecting a chill that I don't get from Koolada. We'll see...
Menthol, Koolada, Mint, WS-23, Arctic/Winter/Polar Blast, toothpaste, etc.
WS-23 is much colder than koolada. Koolada is garbage that ruins your mix. Polar blast is good as it doesn't effect your mix as long as your not to heavy handed. WS-23 is brain freezing cold if you take it up high enough. Polar blast to me is cold on the inhale and nothing much on exhale where WS-23 is cold on the exhale. Both paired together work well. If you have alot of creams in your recipe, use WS-23. Hope this helps.
That icee grape looks like exactly what I've been wanting
Also this if you're on the hunt for grape.
4% INW Grapes
5% LA Lemonade
.5% INW Lemon Mix
WS-23 & FA Polar Blast (to taste. I like 1-1.5% each. You should start at .25% each and work your way up. You want lemonade, not neocitran, but also not a slushie.)
Exactly what I was thinking. I bought Grape (INW) for Grack Juice and it wasn't bad but idk if I can vape it that much consistently. This sounds like a good use for the bottle of it I haven't touched in 2 months since I last made grack. Probably going to mix up a bottle when I get home, may play with the percentages some, 6.5% flavoring seems a bit low to me.
Cooling agent just turns it all cold so its basically like vaping non-flavored juice lmao, I think if you can take c.a in strong bursts, you're a c.a fan lmao, not sure how this rambling is a mixing tip though
Definitely don't like menthol or koolada. Don't know how that flair got added but I took it down. Not a mixing tip at all. Just rambling.
I hate menthol, and was excited about Koolada since it was supposed to give a cooling sensation without any menthol taste, but I still get a strong menthol flavor from it even at very low concentrations (1 drop per 10 mL). Does WS-23 do for you what Koolada was supposed to do?
If so, I might pick up some with my next order. I rarely mix anything other than bakery / dessert style recipes, but on occasion I like to whip up something fruity. And I'd like to have a cooling effect, but Koolada simply doesn't provide it without a menthol flavor which overpowers everything else.
My biggest qualm with WS-23, despite how cold it is, is it's only on the inhale that's cold. The exhale isn't. Is there a flavoring for that?
I wish I could love it as much as everyone does. The cooling effect fades completely for me after a few hits and pretty much mutes all flavour. So annoying.
It's best if you alternate flavors (cooled juice, then something that shouldn't be cooled, like a tobacco or floral juice) as like I mentioned, tolerances build quickly. Especially if you use really low levels of cooling, you need to continually increase the cooling.
What's everyone's go-to percentage on WS-23? I've recently started experimenting with it in the 0.5% range and I get mixed reviews. People that don't like menthol seem to dig it, but menthol folks can't even perceive it. I'm pretty sensitive to the stuff, so it all feels pretty intense to me.