I've tried a few american juices and i really did not like any of them, they all tasted like sweetener with a hint of whatever the flavor was.

Charlie Chalk Dust was by far the worst offender, i can't remember the flavor, but it was like i was dripping pure Cap Super Sweet.

A tiny bit of sweetener can elevate the mix and make the nuances more prominent, allowing you to taste more- depending on the recipe obviously. A good example is how DIYorDIE often adds .5% of super sweet to his recipes. You can barely taste it as a sweetener but it makes a difference.

Having said that, I definitely agree that quite a few juices (and foods) in the US have WAY too much sweetener, and you can definitely go overboard. I dont even eat sweets because all the sweets in the US make me sick from how much sugar is in there. Also because all the cheap junk food sweet stuff uses GMO high-fructose corn syrup, which is not only terrible for you, but also abhorently sweet.

My GFs Mom gave me some of these South American cake things that are basically just like bread with a small amount of sugar baked into them that I really liked, because they were sweet but just barely so.

Sugar is like a drug, it changes our brain chemistry, and the more you eat it the more your tolerance builds. For someone like me who doesn't eat alot of sugar, ingesting things like sweets or sodas in the US is sickening because unlike the average American pallet, I'm not used to eating so much sugar, so it tastes that much more sweet to me.

Something to bear in mind, and I'm sure it affects the pallets across regions, including the juice we vape.

EDIT: Note; This is not a judgement or condemnation of any Americans or their lifestyles. If anything, it's indicative of the industry in the US that pushes consumerism with the biggest profit margins it can attain, and the general populace tends to pay the price with unhealthy options being more accessible, cheaper, and frequent.

Definitely a sugar based palette in the US. There’s loads of sweetener in commercial juices. I diy and had my brother try one of my mixes and he said it tastes like dirt. He’s used to vaping one of the sweetest brands out there. Dirt, he called it. It was an apple pie type with rich cinnamon 🤦🏽‍♂️

I've never tried juice from the other side of the pond, but... ISTR that IrnBru is somewhat less sweet than Dr Pepper,

This is the reason that I switched to DIY. Most commercial juices here (US) are chock full of sweetener and I'm very sensitive to sucralose. The few vendors I found that I liked that didn't use sweetener were kind of "chic" and expensive.

I must say that I'm not fond of the "American" palate in most aspects. I threw or gave away probably $300 in commercial juice that I couldn't vape because it was so sweet.

I will use a very small amount sometimes when it might benefit the recipe. Never Capella Super Sweet, only a 10% dilution of sucralose, and no more than 1 drop per 10ml.

EDIT: another flavor anomaly.... the UK does not seem to like tobacco flavors. I requested Chef's Flavours carry JF RY4 Double because they carry other JF. They flat out said no. It won't sell.

I would agree

Sweet juices tend to make my throat go all icky, I prefer to stay away from them otherwise I end up coughing up a lot of groggy stuff. Whenever I use a juice without sweetener I don’t get the groggy throat. Even having the same mix of juice and trying out many sweeteners and comparing it to the same juice without sweetener has shown that the sweetener is what’s causing it.

I'm in us and I can't stand sweet juices, makes me feel like my teeth will fall out. I use virgin vapor liquid, it's soooo good, great flavor, not sweet.

I hate sweetener Canadian juice is good. Try it out.

I would say we use alot of sweet flavors sometimes it's to much I try not to use sweetner when I make stuff but somehow it always ends up there

I've written all of this and I just ordered some Super Sweet to try out yesterday. I've been using Flavorah Sweetness for a while as I wanted to avoid sucralose but I'm wondering if it's having an adverse effect on some of my mixes. I've been developing an After Eight recipe for a while (pretty much a clone of the awesome Viking Vapourisers "Hod"), I'm nearly there with it but the chocolate / sweetness is just a bit off.

I think I wrote something similar some months ago, so yes I completely agree.

Try Erythritol, it's nowhere near as sweet as Sucralose and won't kill your coils

I guess I’m an exception. I’m from the US and the reason I started mixing was to cut out the sweetness and get more flavor. sweeter juices make me feel ill and my pallet gets burnt out very quickly. Are commercial juices in the UK less sweet?

I'm not sure about palates, but one thing I did notice while I was developing my TPD compliant juices I imported a shitload of nic shots from the UK and they made my juice so spicy. I feel like there's something innately different about the nicotine you guys get. I tried several brands so I don't think it was just a fluke. Maybe the way that mixers compensate for the nicotine is a factor.

as a rule i dont eat british juices

Why do we have to trash American pallets because they’re different? That’s all, they’re different not better or worse just different...;)

I don't even have any sweetener, much less use any in the juice I brew. Been vaping about 5 years now. I'm American but agree sugar is garbage for one's health, and I've never really been a fan. I don't put it in my coffee, don't eat sweets, avoid processed, prepackaged food due to all the crap in it including added sugar in the majority of it.

And while the obesity problem faced by developed nations has several causes such as sedentary lifestyle and overconsumption of calories, one other factor is insulin response. It's been shown that when eaten, artificial zero calorie sweeteners provoke an insulin response, and I assume it's no different when inhaled.

I see a lot of overweight people vaping and I wonder how much their (likely sweetened) e-juice is contributing. It's just one more reason in the big pile to DIY.

I do agree, as a French, I've tried many US juice, ending all time by this question : how can someone like literally Vaping sugar? I even saw that some of us juice maker put aspartam in their liquide...

I dunno, I can't have any taste when so much sweetener, it ruins coil & cotton so fast, it's not good for the health, it cover the flavor, I really do not understand why all USA best seller are over sweetened, is USA random fellow palette that bad? Can't be, isn't it?

And then I remember we are speaking about the fatest people on earth so, ofc they can vape sugar. But I never thought that, I, as a French, may have a better palette since I live litteraly in the world's best flavor producer country, so may be it's me who is kinda hard to satisfy.