Custard vapes have always been my favorite types of juice to mix. They were the reason I got into DIYing. I always have a Vanilla Custard steeping because the profile is relatively simple. Or so I thought. I've come to learn, perfecting a custard recipe takes tons of tinkering to get it just right. I’d like to talk about how I’ve recently been approaching my Vanilla Custard mixes and also share a recipe. Hopefully this type of discussion could help some of the newer mixers that I've been seeing lately, because I surely felt overwhelmed when I originally began DIYing. I often fell into the trap of over complicating mixes and lacked cohesiveness in recipes when I first started creating, and a simple approach more often than not can set you on the right path just by deciding beforehand exactly what you are trying to achieve.
What is a custard? For me it's thick vanilla sweet cream, with an eggy and buttery finish. Often times when I am brainstorming a recipe I need a jumping off point, so I start with the basics. What do I want to taste? I try to keep my recipes simpler these days, so I try to nail down no more than 3 focal points. In the case of a vanilla custard, here is what I look at. Vanilla+Cream+Egg. Let’s look at a recipe I've been working on and backtrack through it's process.
Flavor Co.|Flavor|% :--|:--:|--: CAP|Vanilla Custard v1|5 FA|Vienna Cream|1.25 INW|Vanilla Shisha|1 INW|Marzipan|0.5 FW|Hazelnut|0.75 TFA|Cheesecake (Graham Crust)|2
10.5%
A thick vanilla, malted custard.
14+ Day Steep
So let's pick a base Custard to work with. That will likely get us on the right track to tackling those 3 focal points. Lots to choose from, but I usually stick to one of these 2 because I've had the most success with them. Inawera Custard or Capella Vanilla Custard. Inawera Custard is lighter. Lighter on the vanilla and egg, and not quite as thick. Almost like the custard in a creme brulee or a flan. Still very delicious but I wanted a very thick, eggy and buttery type of cream base. Capella's Vanilla Custard fits that bill. I usually use this around 4-6%. This time I let it settle in right at 5%. Lately I've been applying a simple formula to starting off my custards. I pick a base, then add a support vanilla, a support cream, and some kind of bakery texture like a cookie/biscuit/graham cracker.
Let's look at our vanilla options. My go-to vanilla’s are usually DIYFS Holy Vanilla or INW Vanilla Shisha. Holy Vanilla is a lot like vanilla extract, a dark and bold flavor that is reminiscent of true cracked vanilla beans. It can get pretty creamy at higher %s which is what I wanted, but sometimes I feel because it's so distinctive it can be rather distracting. Although I love this flavor, I decided on using something with a little more body and creaminess. Something that would blend into the custard, brighten it up, but also to make it thicker. Vanilla Shisha does just that. It has a very bright vanilla taste very reminiscent of what you might expect from vanilla soft serve ice cream. Simple and straightforward, this was going to fit the profile I was looking for.
So we've got a custard base, a support vanilla, and now it's time for a support cream. This is often where I have the most trouble. I love cream. It’s so hard for me to pick one because of the subtleties each one offers. Some of the usual contenders I go for are FLV Cream, TFA Bavarian Cream, FA Fresh Cream or TFA Sweet Cream. But because the recipe I was looking to create called for a maltiness I decided to look outside the box. FA Vienna Cream is super rich and silky smooth after a 2 week steep. It's a velvety, vanilla sweet cream not unlike freshly whipped cream, and I remembered using it in a few milkshake recipes to add intrigue and a perceived maltiness. I gave it a go and it ended up working beautifully.
Now we’ve got our Custard base movin’ and groovin’. Custard+Support Vanilla+Support Cream. Next up is that bakery texture. Usually I play with things like JF/INW Biscuit, FW/CAP Graham Cracker or even CAP Sugar Cookie. This helps the body and builds some contrast within our recipe. Those grainy cookie/bakery notes really help flesh out our vape and usually seamlessly blend in with our creams. Building blocks, my dudes. Because of what the profile called for, maltiness, I started taking a look at another bakery. TFA Cheesecake (Graham Crust) is something I've used in milkshakes for that grainy malty flavor and I figured it would also bring those same notes to a custard recipe. It also lends creaminess and is truly an awesome blending tool when it comes to cream recipes. 2% is all we need to help boost that creamy maltiness alongside our other flavors. It also brings that graham cookie texture to the body of the vape.
Custard+Support Vanilla+Support Cream+Bakery. Done and done.
Let's look at some accents to step this up to the next level. If I'm making a malty custard, I want it MALTY.The right accents can be game changers. Little touches of things can really define your mix, and round them out. TFA Malted Milk can be used around 1-1.5% but I'm just not a fan of it. It can become overpowering in my opinion and has a few off notes that I don't care for. There are better options. One of the most popular ways to achieve perceived maltiness is nuts. That's why I, and many others, use FW Hazelnut between 0.5-1%. I like it right around 0.75% and this adds a pleasant malty creaminess that really elevates our vape. It's rich and it's sweet and it helps our other creams drive home that malted flavor. Lastly, we use a final accent to boost maltiness, creaminess and sweetness. INW Marzipan is an almond paste that helps boost our vanilla and our cream. It's slightly nutty, adds a touch of crunch, it's milky and it's buttery. (as mentioned, this flavor can carry a cherry note to some palettes). All of these things are beneficial to our final product. These concentrates nestle in together to create, in my opinion, a well thought out mix. And that's it!
I take my time when creating a recipe, it's beneficial in the long run. I encourage everyone to get to know your flavors by single flavor testing. Do research on suggested percentages and affinities. Keep your recipes simple at first, then build upon them. Keep your focal points in mind and don't overcomplicate things for yourself. You'll learn much quicker in the long run if you take it slow and steady.
I still have a ton of things to learn, and there are far better mixers on this subreddit than myself, but I'm constantly trying to elevate my recipes. For me, having a strategic plan has been the most beneficial. Hopefully this helps someone that has been getting frustrated and encourages them to keep pushing. Thanks for reading and good luck!
Incredible write up, thank you for this
Just trying to give back, I've gotten lots of help along the way.
I've seen you around here about as long I can recall so I know exactly how you feel about all the information we've gathered from this sub. It's awesome. As is your write up! I'm a custard nut so I'll definitely give this a try. Btw, any chance your name refers to the state you're from (New Hampshire, the granite State)?
Been lurking this sub , debating to get into DIY
I think you sold me
Great read while i was on the toilet thank you. My CAP vc has been collecting a little dust lately but youve got me craving custard now, gonna mix this up. I admire your passion towards this.
I know other mixers hate getting this question as much as I do, but is FA Marzipan a reasonable substitute? I'll probably order INW anyway just to mix the true recipe, but I'd like to mix it up with what I have for now.
EDIT: Fantastic write up btw.
I love them both. I actually think generally speaking I like FA Marzipan more, but in this instance INW Marzipan just brings more malt to the table. It would be a fine substitute!
Thank you for this. What got me into DIY is my love for custards and trying to make my own to save some coin. I quickly found out it's not quite that easy, not for custards anyway.
I do have one question that has somewhat been my roadblock to making something i truly enjoy. I am a fan of vanilla custards (Killer Kustard in particular) and butterscotch custards, but i feel that even after a steep it seems like maybe i used too much flavor and it all gets muted or not enough. Do you find that going over a certain percent of total flavor tends to kill your custards?
I try to keep things relatively simple. I've gone as high as 8% with CAP Vanilla Custard with pretty good success, but it can become a bit much. Do research on what you are adding to your custards, lots of things have bucket loads of EM that can cause muting. I usually try to keep all of my recipes sub 13% though. It helps me get down to bare bones and eliminate unneeded distractions in the mix. There are always exceptions to the rule of course, but I wouldn't push it too much or it can become overbearing. Also often times a touch of sweetener can really bring a mix alive.
Missing the Marzipan, but will get it. Can't wait to try this. I've been having a rough time coming up with my own custard. It's never thick and rich like the ones I used to buy back when Grant's Vanilla Custard was king.
Awesome - i saw this on another site earlier today. Another dreaded question, is there a sub for marzipan? If I left it out, would it ruin the recipe?
You should be able to try using some FA Almond. But a better idea is get some marzipan. It's good stuff.
I've been looking for a good base for a vanilla custard tobacco and this fits the bill. I love your writing style and would love to read more of your write ups and recipes.
I like this. I sort of do the same:
Vanilla Custard V1 (Capella) 9.0 %
Shisha Vanilla (NicotineRiver) 1.5 %
Biscuit (Inawera) 0.5 %
Super Sweet (Capella) 2.0 %
Marshmallow 1.0 %
Butter Cream (Purilum) 3.0 %
Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (Flavor Apprentice) 0.5 %
Great write up. And looks like a great recipe too! If you havnt tried them before may I suggest you experiment with TFA whipped cream for your cream part, and TFA French vanilla deluxe for your vanillas. Both are a go to staple in my custards
I love me some TFA whipped cream, I use a lot of it! And I keep hearing good things about deluxe so I'll definitely have to check it out. Shisha and holy have never steered me wrong so I've just been sticking to those. Time to expand my horizons :)
I'm a huge fan of the French vanilla deluxe, I too have many iterations of vanilla including DIYFS holy vanilla. I may be in the minority but for me deluxe tops holy vanilla.
This is absolutely delightful to read. You're giving people an insight into the way good mixers think. Makes me feel guilty for not knowing my flavours more. Please post up more of these.
Thanks! I figured it might be helpful to explain my rhyme and reason. It's like cooking. Every ingredient has it's place and job to do.
That write up is something to be proud of mate. The problem I have is finding the the right place for an ingredient. I've been working on one recipe for 6 weeks and am still looking for the missing part to the puzzle.
If you want more egg you can try supplementing your vanilla custard with flv custard (plain custard, not vanilla). I use inw custard with flv and it's very good. Imo it fades though.
I've been playing with flv vanilla custard, and I don't care for it much. Do you think custard is better? That's one I actually don't have.
Wow! What an awesome write up! You’ve definitely got this down and i appreciate the time u took to share w us and show how exactly you go about your mixing. This is soo beneficial not only to noobs but everyone really, it’s going to be a great tool for all many thanks! ....;)
Can’t say thank you enough for this! Your writing is amazing. I am just starting out with DIY (and still a relative newbie when it comes to vaping) and am thoroughly confused still, so this was really helpful in understanding how this whole DIY process works. Custard is BY FAR my favorite, and I like pretty much exactly how you described it. Super excited to have found what sounds like the perfect recipe so quickly into my research! Thanks again for sharing!!!
Question- have you tried TPA French Vanilla Deluxe or French vanilla creme? Also have you ever added butter ( tpa or Capella golden butter) or any butter cream to add to the butteriness/ body? Also, how do you suggest adding fruits? Just 2-3% single flavor and maybe a 1% supporting or is this just a custard recipe and if I want to add fruit I should back up a few steps before the marzipan and hazelnut?
I haven't tried those vanillas, but I do have quite a few. Other honrable mentions are cap french vanilla, vt vanilla cream, TFA vanilla swirl, and of course the vanilla bean ice creams.
I definitely have tried adding butter to custards. It's one of my favorite ways to add weight and richness to a vape. Check out Buttermilk Pie in the monthly recipe thread. It's my current adv.
Fruits can get tricky. You need to find stuff that can stand up to all those creams. Stuff that cuts through the mix. Generally you want a body fruit like let's say Fa strawberry/TFA strawberry ripe and then a top note fruit like inw strawberry shisha/jf strawberry sweet. At least that's how I do it. Just make sure your fruits work with your accents, you don't want things to clash. :)
Interesting...answered every single question, and in a timely manner, except mine is ignored...ok. 😂😩. Whatever, idrgaf, truth b told. Saying nothing speaks volumes. Have a nice day...😉
If you look at the times, I submitted a response to all 3 of your questions 1 minute before your last response. I am at work, and for your question I had to put some thought into it because it had more substance. No need to get upset I just wanted to be thorough with the questions you had for me.
INW Marzipan tastes like straight cherry pie filling to me even at 0.5%. I actually use it as a cherry flavoring around 0.75% because most other "cherries" are far too medicinal tasting. Maybe I got a mislabeled bottle?
I also thought my INW Custard was much thicker and eggier than CAP VCv1 at the same percentage bit then again flavors are subjective and it could just be a variation in batches. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Excellent write up though, very informative. :)
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May I ask how essential is INW Marzipan here? I have all except that, and was wondering if it could be replaced with something else?
The beauty of diy is that you are the master of your own destiny! Marzipan definitely sets it apart but you replace it however you see fit. Maybe some almond or butter pecan, or a butter cream/frosting. I'm still playing with this recipe myself !
I know how annoying is having to answer people asking for subs, but do you think FA Marzipan + FA Almond, both @0.25%, would work well in place of INW Marzipan?
Is this the way to get rid of the flat, airy nothingness that usually comes with the middle of a custard juice?
I think you are looking for more mouthfeel. You could try cheesecake concentrates/marshmallows/vanillin/thicker creams/or things with diacetyl. Good luck!
What qualifies as a thicker cream? I have used cheesecake concentrates. Hadn't thought about marshmallow. Do use vanilla swirl and shisha vanilla in my custards in fairness... occasionally fucked with Graham cracker clear too. That was nice with a touch of fruit.
Vape Train Warm Custard is some good stuff. I haven't done much with it but the tester I made didn't last long. Shits delicious.
What % did you use your warm custard at? I think I'll play with it tonight