As a moderator, I'm ready to do whatever the community wants done or not done. I'm here to serve, period. I'm also fundamentally lazy so if you want me to do less work as far as removing posts and redirecting users to the "proper" threads, super.

Now let me take off the moderator hat and just be a user for a minute.

I happen to care about this community very much and I've found I like having it look more alive and not like it's on life support. I'm cool with all the questions on the front page. If the same people are just posting them over and over gimme gimme gimme help help help to the point that it's annoying, then I'll just downvote them and move along. Someone else will almost certainly help them, I've learned. My reddit settings make things disappear once I downvote or upvote them so it's not like clutter when I log back in later, it's just gone, out of sight, out of mind.

But, I don't want to see recipes without notes on the front page. For posting them on the front page, I want to see some substantial notes that can seriously help myself and others up our game.

Recipes without any notes at all? I don't want to see them here, or anywhere, for that matter. Not on ATF, not on ELR, not on FB. I don't want to even see them in the Monthly Recipe Threads where they're allowed, honestly. At least give me something with those. Tell me why I should care about this recipe and what I should learn from it. Give me SOMETHING besides just a recipe. If you can't even take the time to do that, why should I take the time to mix it and give you feedback? Or even look at it? If you're proud of your creation, you should be proud enough of it to do that.

As a new mixer, I love it here now. I feel as if useful information is flowing a lot more freely than it was a few months ago. I'm glad these rule changes came into affect just as I got into this hobby.

I think recipes without notes should be encouraged to be posted to the Recipe Thread, or the poster should be encouraged to add notes to the front page post. I still don’t think it’s necessary to delete the post. I feel like it should remain viewable.

I like the direction we are headed in. There are certainly a greater amount of posts each day that I enjoy seeing on the front page.

I think I understand where you are coming from in regards to the multiple post thought. There was an instance yesterday of someone brand new, starting from knowing nothing about mixing asking about it, then a post a few hours later asking for people to post recipes. Which is totally fine, but it would have been easier to reply and ask that question within their original post.

2 Month Lurker, 50 private recipes on ELR, troll Les DIY and other sites for recipe ideas, and over 200 flavors in my mixing stash. Been mixing for almost 2 years. Not a rookie, but also don’t take this near as seriously as some of the people on here. Figured I would set the stage for my feedback. Frankly until 2 weeks ago this site wasn’t much more than FOTW (which has started to get less and less feedback and interesting) which is in NO way intended to take away from the effort required to run it. To you sir, thank you. Your older posts have helped me buy smarter with my bases, and mix some flavors I never would have even considered. Flavor reviews: to the person / people that do those a hearty thank you also. I would have spent a great deal more money on flavors without you. What are you vaping now.. another great feature, thank you. Now the bad:

1. the elitist attitude some exhibit are chasing people away. We all started mixing at some point, and some are more experienced than others. Browbeating posters and degrading people for not having the newest VT flavor is chasing away people, not welcoming more.
2. Ignore: I have seen some dumb posts on here that have been belittled and taunted. Just ignore and downvote, don’t engage. Engaging just makes others less likely to want to participate
3. Share: if everyone feels welcome to ask questions and share recipes, then this will thrive again. If I share a recipe, I don’t want to write a paragraph on why I used TPA Strawberry. Maybe I like it, maybe it is the only one I have. Long winded post, and for that I am sorry. But many of the actives on here were the people whose recipes I used as guides when I started mixing. So I feel I need to pay it foreword. Either way, remember why you started mixing, and that others may not be anywhere near as advanced as you are. But the enemy is the FDA, not each other.

I’ve been enjoying it around here lately. Enjoyed it before, too, but it started to get boring. I’m digging the new stickied post for general discussion. I just realized I haven’t checked the questions thread as often though, so I am going to guess that that thread has slowed down since it is two clicks away instead of one, but I don’t think questions would be completely out of place in a general discussions thread anyway.

I don’t suppose I’ve noticed repeat posters asking simple questions, but then again I look at the questions and not the username. I would hope that the reason they are making different posts for different simple questions is because a different question came to them later on, and not just because they want to post a bunch. So consolidating their questions in to the first post could be tricky because A) they haven’t thought of the question yet, and B) if they go back and edit their first post, they might not get any responses to the new question because the first question has done been answered and the thread is dead to everyone else. But I think if the mods catch a repeat simple question person, removing the new thread and asking them to either ask in the questions thread or to a user that helped them in the first thread wouldn’t be too bad. Then again, I still don’t really feel that the sub is being cluttered at this point. If it had the same kind of active users as ECR, then yeah. And if we expect to get near that size, then having a rule about that in place now would probably be important.

Recipes with no notes at all I think should be removed and directed to the monthly recipe thread.

Or just let the downvotes move all that shit down the line. I’m pretty neutral on it either way.

First of all, this is the busiest I've seen this subreddit for quite awhile. That in and itself is nice to see. Thank you for the increased leniency.

When I'm looking at someone's posted recipe I don't expect a three paragraph writeup about why each flavouring was chosen, but even someone as simple as a bullet point would definitely be nice.

Multiple questions by the same user should definitely be consolidated into one single thread. Some of us may not be able to answer all questions posed, but may have great advice for two or three of them.

Especially coming from the vibe the sub had previously, I know it can be frustrating to see people posting lower-effort or a lot of follow up posts. And I do agree that they should be reminded (but not deleted) to make an effort to keep their questions contained in their original post or in the comments threads. But I also think we have to realize that they're not always doing it to shitpost or troll the sub. To me it seems that people genuinely wanted to help revitalize the subreddit and get people talking.

From my perspective, it worked. I'm checking this sub way more often than before and 90% of the time there's new content to look at and discuss. Idk about others, but it's really sparked some curiosity and got me enjoying mixing again. I'm having a lot of fun seeing others discuss their mixes, as well as feeling a little motivated and adventurous myself, working on mixes I never expected I'd want to try.

Overall, I think the changes have been incredibly positive and a comment I made in the ecr sub about the changes got a lot of positive reaction so our sister subs are happy about it too. Yeah there may be hiccups to figure out or things we simply have to get used to now, but I'd say it's worth the 2 minute headache of seeing a mediocre post and simply clicking back and scrolling along your way.

I'm loving the vibrancy of the sub right now. It's great to come here multiple times a day and always have something to read/interact with.

I quite like the new people's questions, personally. It is nice to be able to help someone get started in DIY or troubleshoot a problem for a new mixer. I didn't feel like there was much of that before, because only the experienced mixers really posted.

On the subject of new mixers' questions, I think it would help them and those of us who like less frustrating troubleshooting/help conversations if we implemented a suggested template of questions for "help" posts. Some minimum information that people looking for help should provide, that would show up any obvious things without the thread having to go to 50 comments. Some suggestions of mine are:

• What device and tank are you using?
• What coils are you using (and when was the last time you changed it)?
• Which country do you live in?
• What PG/VG ratio are you mixing at?
• What form is your nicotine in, how do you store it? Does have a bad odour?

These are just some quick suggestions, and obviously can be added to/tweaked. These questions aren't intended to discourage people from posting, and I don't think they should be required to get help. I just think that if we had something like this in place, we could streamline the help post process. /r/buildapc do this and it works really well, have a look at their comment box, and how it is all laid out if you're interested.

I'm loving the flow and seeing more people and more posts coming in. The issues about multiple posts could be solved by asking them for one consolidated post instead of four threads spread out. Theoretically thbey're more likely to have all questions answered if they're all contained within one post anyway.

A recipie without notes is one thing that should stay on the removable end of the spectrum. If a mod comes across a recipie without notes I think it's more than fair to ask them to post notes or alternately move their recipie to the stickied thread. How long would you say is long enough before deleting a thread? 24 hours?

Overall I'm seeing more positive versus negative with the new changes, and while this of course falls to the realm of subjectivity I feel most of us are probably leaning the same way. More posts and more content is always better, even if the mod team has to remove some of them along the way.

Recipes without notes are really more of a monthly thread thing. Besides, it's easier to find recipes later when they're all compiled anyhow. As I mentioned earlier... I'm not sure why it took relaxing the rules to get some of the more interesting posts to get their own threads... we've had a number recently that were deserving of their own thread even under the old rules.. ideally, we could keep them showing up, but less of the zero effort posts... the problem is isolating why they weren't being posted before. And maybe the multiple questions would be better consolidated. In a perfect world? The OPs would post a batch of questions. Commenters could address specific questions or all of them. Or, if the questions are sequential because of answers to other questions, those are rightly responses to the answers, rather than new topics.

I'm not bothered by the state of things for now. Multiple low effort posts should not be allowed IMO, but I'm okay with serious separate questions that may spark debate. As for recipes, I can usually judge them as they are, but notes should at least be encouraged and they can just edit the post. My 2c.

I’m a busy dude. Two weeks have flown by.

There’s a weird balance between keeping momentum going, generating discussion, making content accessible and the simple fact that diy is all about time and thoughtfulness. And then there’s moments when you’re slammed by a flavor or an idea or whatever and it captures your imagination. How could something that was uninteresting two seconds ago be my new magical elixir?

Anyway, none of that has happened to me yet. I just like reading everything from shit posts to user generated data dumps like the link to batch mixing and cbv battle of the baccos. Not all posts are created equal. I’m working on accumulating some diy post/links research but (teacher) school ends in four days and haven’t had the time. I’d like to add to the discussion in some way and enjoy seeing people add to the discussion. I just hate that I can’t mix something up right away because I mix every two weeks. Topical posting makes it easier to search and get info as stuff gets lost in the weekly threads.

Tl;skimmed - single topic posting may be better in the end as people talk more and can facilitate searching for answers.

im still here!

I dunno. I suppose I am used to ECR and their redundant question asking, so doesn't bother me any.
I've noticed myself checking this sub more, which makes me want to mix more, that's a plus.
Has it really been two weeks already? WTF?! Is my life that boring where days and time are nonexistent anymore?

I think overall we're going into a generally positive direction. The more activity we have, the more potential there is for new information to be shared. I definitely agree with you on recipes without notes. In my opinion it's best to keep those in the weekly/monthly threads. With that being said, you don't need to write a whole story explaining each ingredient, but it's useful to know why you choose FW Graham Cracker over the TFA equivalent.

I think the community would benefit a lot from offering styling templates for different post types. I know everyone loves /u/concreteriver and I think part of that stems from the consistency in the layout of their posts. Obviously the content is a larger factor, but good content is useless if it's difficult to read.

If we were to have a template for a recipe submission we could kind of passively encourage more complete posts with notes and nicely formatted recipes. Not everyone is willing to take the time to learn the markup language on here, but a single nerd can bang out a bunch of templates in an afternoon and everyone can benefit.

I'm fine with recipes with minimal notes. Perhaps we can enforce better or more descriptive titles, so that even if the questions are simple or repetitive, the front page becomes easier to read. Idk if it's enforceable tho.

Echoing others, it is exciting to see more traffic and I'm feeling net positive about the relaxed rules. Do some posts bother me? Sure, but I'd rather have a bit more variety. Everything got really stifled before. Feels like we have new life in here.

I guess bear in mind "front page" should be a function of our collective up & down voting. Given the (relative) number of daily posts to this subreddit versus some other more heavily trafficked subreddits we visit, understand that it will take some time for unpopular posts to drop off the radar.

But again, overall I'm a big fan. Certainly want to see as many people as possible both vaping and DIY'ing and I think the more casual attitude enables that.

Good work mods!

One thing I think should change here is the subtle DIYORDIE and kinda silencing of other forums here, or the heavy disregard of UV, ECF or even gosh forbid someone mention it, ELR. The spam recipes without notes, the endless questions, the "whats the right flavor, vg/pg level, nicotine brand" etc will always happen. This subreddit can be great sometimes, but the ego stinks. A question to verify information is taken like a challenge to authority of knowledge. but eh, most of yall are great, I guess it depends on the day and whatnot. Despite of what company yall work for or support, its cheap advertisement to do sublimal advertising through a neutral place because of positions one may or may not hold.

I personally like having more activity on the sub. I would also like to see more daily threads particularly a "What are you mixing" thread where people discuss what they are currently mixing and the recipe as well as any issues they may be having or things they would like to improve where others can leave notes/suggestions and perhaps even make the recipe and work together to prefect it.

That's all I can think of right now but I think Daily threads would be cool in addition to the weekly and monthly threads and help encourage discussion.

As for recipes without notes. I don't think they need to be a paragraph per flavor but I do think if its just a recipe it needs to be in the recipe thread.

Also, the thing about making posts for "simple" questions instead of keeping them all in the general thread is that it makes getting answers by searching much easier and since out mantra is kind of use the search bar kind of makes sense.

The thing about reddit is if a post isn't popular then it gets buried and is gone forever. There is no bumping on reddit so it really doesn't matter that much. The really big discussion make it to front page and the rest die in /new/

I personally have enjoyed seeing this community 'come alive' again.

The first and last time I posted on here asking how everyone finds inspiration when they're struggling to be creative I got referred to the sidebar and 'told off' which put me off ever positing on here again.

I've been mixing for a year and spent most of it on here so it's nice to see a space where I may become active in now that I'm not afraid of getting told off for asking what I thought was a genuine proper questions.

Since the changes, I enjoy the sub more and enjoy participating a lot more. I think that the changes are a positive improvement for sure.

Issue 1 that you mentioned is a non issue to me. Those users asking repeat "stupid" questions are being down voted into oblivion. Cya.

Issue 2...I think the recipe rule should stand. If you post a recipe outside of the recipe thread, it should have significant notes provided.

Can we maybe have automod tweaked so caffeine and "speed-steeping" posts get a standard response and locked automatically? Or better yet message the OP the standard response, and delete the post?

The only thing different I noticed is someone called me the C-word. Does that count?

I would side w recipes W NOTES plzzz.... and here’s why; 1- I need to know why everything! I need to know why u put pear w that honeydew and what makes that ice cream better than that ice cream and at the same time I want to know if you even know or you’re just getting lucky or slightly modifying another recipe and just want to be relevant but without any actual skills. I want to Learn what u know and what u don’t... and for the mixers ‘too busy’ ‘ will do it later’ but riding on their name to do that and get away w it I say pfft! Established or not you should post notes too, especially you. Haven’t really seen one of those around here for a while but just in case you’re thinking about it,lol, don’t .
Oh, am I supposed to vote? And can someone give me a brief explanation behind the up and down vote other than the obvious and also flair? I’m a lot confused when apexified I think or whoever talked about searching w flair🤔? And putting their own flair? Do I have flair ffs and can I put some somewhere? And where would I? Sorry for being Reddit retarded but I own it 😩😂. ( I’m tired can’t think of a pc name other than retarded I mean no offense to mentally challenged... LOOL that’s the word haaa Reddit challenged

I think it's beautiful.

It's considerably better both in terms of content and discussion which is really all that matters.

>Do you feel we should require them to consolidate all of their simple questions in one self post?

One questions thread per user per day/week preferred unless their question is vastly different than the previous one, for search purposes. still limited to a max of 3 preferably.

>The second pattern I’ve noticed is recipes without notes. How does the community feel about these? Would you like them allowed as front-page posts? Do you feel that you are able to learn anything, or take anything away from a recipe if it isn’t posted with notes?

recipes without notes should still be either removed or the users should be warned for it. I feel that it goes against the spirit of the sub to just dump recipes with no insight into their thought process, no one learns anything from a list of flavorings and a 'this is pretty good try it out'. If users want to dump recipes ELR has pretty much always been the recipe dumping ground.

Plus, if you've got something really good you'll probably be excited to talk about how you made it work.