Hey all, first time poster long time listener. I was wanting to know, when mixing nic salts, do the flavor percentages stay the same? I've done a few flavors in my Suorin and they've been bland. Is there like a rule-of-thumb when mixing with nic salts for higher nicotines (18+)?
Start by picking the right recipes. They need to be simple. Two, three flavors max. Four to five only if one or two are sweeteners or coolants. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions but I'm just trying to help in a general way, to make it easier on you so you're not pouring out pods or hate-vaping them.
After deciding on which flavors to use, use them about 75% to 100% higher than you normally would.
EDIT: Above advice is for mixing specifically for very low-watt pod systems like OP's Sourin. Not for just using nic salt instead of freebase for the hell of it or because it's smoother or for whatever reason you people do the things you do.
So my total flavoring would be like 25-30% of the whole mix? Just clarifying, thanks for the helpful post
Well, that depends, if you're using more potent flavors, it wouldn't.
For example, if for some crazy reason you wanted to make a wild strawberry-vanilla-cinnamon juice you could use FLV Alpine Strawberry, FLV Smooth Vanilla, and FLV Rich Cinnamon you could have a total flavoring % of less than 2% and still have a very full-flavored pod recipe. Probably terrible, but full-flavored.
But in general, yeah, it's going to come out around 25% total flavor.
Awesome that's what I'm trying now. I have the recipes already and I was hoping to keep those the same, but it seems that raising the flavoring in total seems to work. I went from 20% flavoring to 25% flavoring. That's a good rule of thumb though, I just wanted to make sure I'm on the right track here, I'm limited on resources. Thanks y'all!
Does this also apply to using like 1-3mg of nic salts in a traditional rta/rda setup?
Hate-vaping 😂. This is a new term to me, but I immediately identify with it ;p
Things have changed for me and now I have a huge box of less-than-half-empty failures that I give away to juice moochers, but before I committed to mixing something new everyday, resulting in more juice than I could ever possibly vape, hate-vaping made me who I am as mixer.
I double the amount of concentrate and nicotine from my freebase recipes, and go with 50% VG instead of 70%.
This is not a universally applicable rule, though. Most recipes i convert have 6-10% total flavoring (including coolant etc), so doubling for use in an AIO/pod device makes sense.
And here's the perfect reason to use a flavor base.
If ya just go willy nilly increasing your concentrates, you might blow past useable range for them. Now if ya create a flavor base, instead of say 12 or 16 or whatever, just increase that % up. All the concentrates stay in sync.
Uh... just because you premixed flavor concentrates doesn't mean that you can't use the premix at a high enough percentage that you don't turn a floral into feces. It'll just be feces in the same percentage of the mix as the floral would've been.
I've been working on nic salt recipes for a few months, and here are a few tips I've learned for adapting a particular recipe to a pod system:
- First, not all recipes can be effectively adapted for pod recipes. You will not have much nuance in your flavor profile. A tobacco/caramel/pistachio recipe with background hints of fresh cocoa and berries is not going to come through on your pod vape. Settle for a recipe that has a base flavor and one or two top notes, and try to weed out any flavors that aren't contributing to the core flavor profile. If you can taste sweet tobacco with a nutty top note or creamy cheesecake with strawberry syrup, you're done.
- Increase fruity flavors, especially the more intense ones, by about 50% in your recipe.
- Increase custardy or creamy flavors by 75-100%.
- Coolants need about a 50-100% increase, depending on the particular coolant. I've found I need to double WS-23 in particular, and even more than double if the recipe calls for a long steep.
- Don't use more than 70% VG. I've settled on 60/40 VG/PG for my low voltage recipes.
- Sweetener concentrations may not need to be changed, especially sucralose. EM as a sweetener doesn't need to be increased by much (if any), but if you are using the EM to alter, mute, or meld other flavors, increase by 50-75%.
Happy mixing!
Those are all great points! I think with your advice I'll have a solid all day pod vape. Thanks man!
Come back and share your final recipes! There aren't enough dedicated pod vape recipes out there right now, and a lot of the commercial nic salt juices are either just single flavor mixes, or they use traditional recipes that have not been adjusted for pod systems. Either way, they tend to be bland. Good luck!