CAP SS vs EM in Custards

submitted over 7 years ago by folkart2000

Last night on Diy Or Die ITM, they were talking about Cap SS vs EM when it comes to adding them to custards for sweetness. What's your opinions on adding sweeteners to custards? Which sweetener do you prefer in custards?

Also, I'm working on a Killer Kustard remix and one of the notes I pick up is a "pepper" note. I also get a "pepper" note from TPA Vanilla Custard. So, that's what I'm using as part of my base. I also get a ultra light lemon note, hence the FA Custard. I know most mixers say that Killer Kustard does not use CAP Vanilla Custard V1, but in combination with the FA Custard and the TPA Vanilla Custard, it's pretty damn close. The INW Shisha Vanilla is also what I'm picking up as the main vanilla note in the original. Please give me your honest opinion.

0.5% (FA) Custard

1% (INW) Shisha Vanilla

0.25% (CAP) Super Sweet

3% (CAP) Vanilla Custard

1.5% (TPA) Vanilla Custard

Oh, and I hope I'm not breaking any rules by posting this. I think Skiddlz is right about these rules. They need to be more relaxed. New mixers need to feel welcomed, not shunned.

Comments

5 points

by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

I don't have an opinion on adding EM, can't say I've tried adding it outside of adding flavors that contain it, but as far as adding sucralose, one thing I've noticed is that while it might be ok to add some, the amount of sucralose you can add to custards without it becoming obtrusive is lower than the amount you can add to fruits and other profiles. That's just speaking generally, I don't know what it means for your remix because I've never tried that juice.

2 points

by SlashaLOover 7 years agothe diesel mixer

Agreed. I found it tastes funny with high sucralose in custards and creams vs EM.

3 points

by billgarmsarmyover 7 years agoMentholatier

I've found that EM at most concentrations dulls the overall flavor for me.

I've been using SS more lately, but I find custards sweet enough without any additives.

3 points

by Enyawreklawover 7 years agoCreator - Best Recipe of 2015: Rhodonite

I first found this out mixing up Kreeds Kustard. It's super simple, but the EM is really what intrigued me. Then after vaping Killer Custard and noticing how little it damaged coils, I realized it's the EM that's adding to its vibrancy and sweetness (along with using V2's but that's another thread).

|CAP|Vanilla Custard V2|6%| |:-|:-|:-| |CAP|French Vanilla V2|3%| ||Ethyl Maltol|1-2%|

Super easy, super rich, and surprisingly sweet. Try it out lemme know what you think. And for the love of god don't use Super Sweet!

1 points

by folkart2000over 7 years ago

Will mix for sure, thanks wayne

2 points

by Civinskoover 7 years ago

I feel like Super Sweet tastes too much like sweetener when there's no fruitiness around, it brings too much attention to itself it seems.

No idea about EM tho.

1 points

by IceEichelover 7 years ago

I don't think super sweet tatses like anything but it gives you that sugary sweetness on your lips and tongue that I can't find anywhere else.

1 points

by Civinskoover 7 years ago

That's the taste, i don't like that.

When used with fruits it's less apparent imo.

1 points

by IceEichelover 7 years ago

I wouldn't know I only use it with desert flavors and love it in every single mix.

2 points

by LimeDriveover 7 years ago

I've been vaping custards lately, and added both EM & SS for the heck of it. About .3 SS and .5 EM. Seems to be pretty good and Butter Nut Custard by Tootall is my favorite out of the ones I've mixed.

2 points

by patg55over 7 years ago

This recipe looks the biz! 3 ingredients and tons of flavour. Mixing this up tonight. Yum! Thanks for sharing. Might put a bit of FW Butter Pecan in there too. It goes really well with FW Butterscotch Ripple.

By the way, there's a recipe you might like on ELR called Rusty Pelican by Vapor Alchemist.

1 points

by LimeDriveover 7 years ago

No prob, that's a good idea to add Butter Pecan

2 points

by patg55over 7 years ago

I'm falling in love with FW Butterscotch again. I went OTT with it a while ago and had to give it a break.

2 points

by SheckJuarezover 7 years ago

Just dropping a random thanks.. I try to make your mixes whenever I can, and end up adding to the ole stash when I don' t have specific flavors in your ATF mixes..

I'm sure Bull City thanks you too :)

1 points

by folkart2000over 7 years ago

Thanks for mixing man

1 points

by [deleted]over 7 years ago

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1 points

by penatbaterover 7 years ago

I haven't tried EM on custards, but a little bit of SS does help make custards be more present in your mouth (idk if that makes sense). Just make sure it's really less, as sweetener can easily overpower a mix. I think 1-2 drops per 30mL is good esp if the recipe already has some sweetness to it.

1 points

by phriedover 7 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Trying out the recipe in both SS & EM versions, will report back in a month.

2 points

by folkart2000over 7 years ago

Thanks man :)

1 points

by SpaghettiBollocknaseover 7 years ago

Slightly off topic but premium juices like the ones mentioned what’s the likeliness they actually use the same concentrates we have access to? CAP, TFA, FA etc.

I was of the assumption that the big corporate juice companies have all their recipes laboratory made by flavourists in white coats?

3 points

by EdibleMalfunctionover 7 years agoMixologist

98%. Just because the juices are mixed by lab techs, doesn’t mean they all have access to their own flavor line. We are all using the same shit.

1 points

by wdouglas01over 7 years ago

I can't say 100% that they all do, but I'd feel safe saying the vast majority use the same stuff we can get.

1 points

by imNAchogrlover 7 years agoKooky

The longer you Diy the more familiar you are w your flavors and are able to actually recognize individual specific concentrates in your fav ‘premium’ juices sold...;)

1 points

by br4d24over 7 years ago

Yay i have all these ingredients, going to have to mix this up today and see how it tastes!

1 points

by Blitz00over 7 years ago

Em is what I would use. (If I had to use one. Normally don't use sweetners with creams/custards.) To me this rounds out sharp edges and is better with cream. It dulls flavors that might pop a little too much.

I feel like SS is "sharp" it hits the high notes.

1 points

by kindgroundover 7 years ago

I'm not sure what's going on in killer kustard as I've not had it. One thing I can say is that EM does more to round the edges of the "tang" of the custards in the back of my throat. Sucralose just seems to mask that "tang" after the fact for me.