https://youtu.be/2OncvCJnXto?t=1h30m
If you don’t have time to watch the entirety of another excellent DIYOD video, fine. Skip to what I’m about to reference. It’s 01:30:00 in.
Now, have you watched it? Good. I’m going to blow your minds. I agree. Tear down this wall. Why should this surprise you? Well coming from me, it should. Hell, I’ve commented as recently as yesterday or the day before on someone’s post asking them to post in the questions thread.
You can even look at my history in this sub and my comments pertaining to how organized everything is and how you can post, just in the proper place...blah blah blah. After awhile, this shit looks boring.
I love helping people out in the Questions Thread. I love helping new mixers out in general. I wish I could devote way more of my time nowadays to do so on an even greater level.
I was around for a bit in the so called “Dark Days” of the sub. And I’ve used that previously as a reason for championing the NMT. But banning people for minor mistakes/bullshit can’t happen. And I know it’s happened. It happened recently to one of my pals on here. So I’m not going to lie, that’s a very small part of why I’m posting this.
The other is that the sub is alienating people. People who would otherwise want to dive headfirst into all the knowledge we have to impart here. I’ve seen it happen.
Don’t get me wrong. A lot of good has been done to the sub and a lot of excellent content is being posted by a few veterans. And I know some of you are going to be accusing me of being a heretic. But so be it. I suppose I am. Or rather I’ve “seen the light.” Or maybe I’m just full of shit and no one here will agree with me.
But on to my proposal and I apologize for this long-winded post..
I propose that for next month, no Questions Thread is posted and that the Automod is disabled. Let’s see how that works out. I have a feeling everything will be just fine.
I've been lurking around this sub for years, just sitting on my bucket, and I used to check in 5-10x a day. Now, with how stagnant things are I'm lucky to load the sub once a week.
For whatever my opinion is worth, I would definitely welcome some changes.
Hell, even the Questions threads are quite barren during the day.
I found it quite intimidating when I first came and even now I wouldn't dream of making a post outside of the pre-made threads. I like how ordered it is but I think it leads to loads of new people scared to make a post and an established clique being the only posters outside of designated threads.
I've been mixing for a couple of years now and I totally feel the way you do. I probably never would have started without this sub, but with how strict things are I never would make a post either. Instead of expanding my DIY skills, I instead use a lot more one shots like DIY or DIE sells. I still mix a few recipes from this sub but a lot less than I'd like to.
Exactly. We can’t have this happening. I used to say, well you can post whatever you want, just in the proper place. But I know for a fact people are turned off by that, so that needs to change now.
Every online community I've ever been part of... all operate their own way, with their own rules and traditions... but lurking for a short time and paying attention, it's pretty obvious how to fit in.
Lol dude it's Reddit, if a sub has this steep of rules I just make the post and wait for what the bot says to fix it.
That's the thing though, most new people do make a post, they get the bot message as well as some people telling to post elsewhere and they're scared off from ever posting outside of the premade posts. That's not a very healthy way for it to be. You just discovered God Milk? That's great, let's discuss it. It shouldn't be confined to one thread. I mean, how long do you have to be mixing to not be considered a new mixer and have enough validation to post in a thread of its own?
To be fair I only started diying like 3 months ago and my first 2 months of diy was menthol. My last time I got lemon cheese cake and it was so good. Now I got some strawberry unicorn vomit and sweet cream comming. I was thinking of mixing all the flavors to see how they come out but idk lol. Point is I generally only post in the questions sub even if it's not a question lol.
The elitist mentality has killed this sub.
Well if that’s the case, this post is my attempt at garnering support for restoring it.
I've always thought the level of strictness around here was a bit draconian. On the one hand, yeah, you obviously don't want the sub to be cluttered with a million variations of the same noob questions and shitty recipes, but on the other, you don't want to stifle all but the highest quality discussion and push people away.
There's always a healthy balance that can be found between two extremes, although finding it is easier said than done.
Plus, experienced people answering newbie questions is basically the overall most efficient means of information transfer. Doing your own research can feel stressful and overwhelming, and the process is much smoother when people who already know what they're doing shine some light on the path. Not to mention that personal interaction usually feels the most natural anyway
I agree with not stifling quality contents. But you are aware any questions asked were answered in the thread, yes? You make it seem like people were totally on their own in doing research. The situation can be better, but it’s not like there was no help at all.
I found that /r/buildapc and /r/buildapcforme have a great symbiotic relationship going on. This sub isn't anywhere near large enough to have a sister sub for people that want more handholding, IMO but it is something to bear in mind if it ever grows that large.
I am one of the people that rarely posts outside of the question threads. I think I tried once, got shut down by automod or one of the veterans and just decided it wasn't worth it.
Much respect to you for making this post.
The over the top rules and the ‘elitest’ attitude is why I don’t come here or ECR any more.
People get so caught up and forget the purpose of vaping. For 90% of us- (at least, not counting the little high schoolers) we vape to get off of cigarettes and I’ll venture at least another 80-90% of us DIY because we’re tired/ can’t keep paying $20 for a 30ml.
I'm not so sure that "elitist mentality" is the correct phrase. I believe "group think" is more appropriate. It seems that too often questions are answered with a singular response - which may or may not be the best answer for the person asking. We're all different and vape/mix for different reasons - so we all have different needs. It seems like the semi-pro mixers (who have the most knowledge to share) dictate that one and only "proper response" to any question. Sometimes this is good - ie mix by weight not volume. Other times it's not - ie buy LOTS of bottles - some of us mix for only ourselves and don't need to buy bottles by the gross. I'm not sure how to make it better - but remembering the diversity of mixers should be a part of any plan moving forward.
I don't know if it's a military background but I was starting DIY when abdada was here and ruthless. I loved it but I also had to give a lengthy disclaimer any time I recommended the sub to friends.
I am all for the approachability of what you're after and I think more than anything the sub would benefit from more people actively contributing in a substantial way. I love seeing everything you regulars put in but it's also a nice change when someone I don't recognize posts a recipe (with their notes!).
Thank you guys for all you do in this sub. I know you specifically do a bunch of the flavour reviews and I appreciate those the most.
u/abdada was a raging asshole, and I'm still super glad he's gone.
also, now i see he's gone full on RedPill. not surprised in the slightest.
Without a doubt you are going to be in the majority but like I said I could grip it. He was crazy informed and driven to know more all the time.
That said, wtf is redpill?
Edit: whoa.
The discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.
The fuck is that about
> gone full on RedPill
He's been full on RedPill from the start . . .
Oh just like they were talking about, I’ve never even heard of DIY or Die.
So I got something to check out in my spare time now.
This is a great post /u/ediblemalfunction. Like we said in the podcast, it feels there’s a level of humanity that’s left the sub and it feels very robotic and more of a flavor review dump than an actual place of discussion. While /u/skiddlzninja feels personally responsible for the state of this place, I put some of the blame on myself as well. I think this “flavors first” mentality I had, where flavorings and flavor reviews would drive discussion, contributes a lot to the stagnation we’re seeing. This might sound a bit radical, but I think if we get rid of Auto Mod, get rid of New Mixers thread, and just allow any DIY posts to be made to let the community vote upon which threads are worth discussing, it might help bring some more “life” in this place.
All that said, I’m very hopeful. For some reason, there’s a lot of people who really do care about this place - myself included. I’m curious as to what the mod team is planning on changing, but they won’t know what to do if we don’t tell them!
I started getting kind of bored here, so I joined the DoD Facebook group. I was surprised just how much action that place gets. Just the same with the sub, a lot of the discussion is about things I can’t really help with, but it at least gives me something to skim through when I’m bored. I really prefer the layout of Reddit, though, so if this place could get that kind of action, I’d be all set.
I totally agree. I mostly lurk, but I look to this sub and maybe two other places for inspiration. I make food for a living, and I've always believed inspiration can come from anywhere... whether is KFCs ridiculous new whatever or something I saw on TV or a certain technique I saw a friends mom use making cookies. Point is, ditching those stickied threads and automod will certainly get us some repetitive questions, but it will also spark discussion that wouldn't have happened otherwise. There will probably be new mixers browsing that see something in there that gets them to finally pull the trigger on diy, and I think one of the greatest things about this hobby is getting other people in to it and getting them excited about it. Just my two cents.
Just to be clear, Edible put that flair on the post, not one of the mods.
I've been here through the "dark days" too. And I've seen all the various "unpopular opinion" posts over the years calling this place out for its flaws... but for all its flaws, there are people here who create awesome content and offer up every bit of their knowledge to help people with anything and everything DIY related.
Before I became a mod just recently I was trying my best to support what's good about the sub and generate more discourse and I plan to continue doing that as a mod, too. Lot's of things need to change and a lot of that was already being discussed behind the scenes, before /u/skiddlzninja decided to talk about it on the show--in fact, aside from trying to figure out how the reddit redesign is going to make the sub look and getting the new sidebar straight, I've been planning to make a post about some proposed changes this Friday.
Hopefully we can keep doing everything that's good and start taking care of the things that are stifling the discussion and creativity here.
Exactly. This wasn’t a post calling the sub a POS, I tried to make that clear. There’s excellent content here now that we have regular flavor reviews, FAQ Fridays, etc. I think it’s just time for a change. Good subs change with the times and the time is now.
No doubt I’m a little surprised that you, the most prolific first responder in the new mixers thread, is the one calling for it to be done away with. But I’m down for whatever makes this place better. I’m the lowliest of the few active mods so whatever decision is made in regards to big changes will ultimately have to come from higher up.
I started DIY about 1 1/2yrs ago and to do so I came to this sub to learn what I needed to know. During that time because of the nature of the sub I ended up spending about 6 months in total researching and trying to figure out what exactly to buy and how to mix. With that being said I ended up buying a bunch of unnecessary stuff and also ended up mixing by drops instead of weight and using a calculator. Of course all that ended up in bad mixes and throwing money and juice down the drain because even through my thorough research I was lead astray. When if things here had been more inviting and helpful then I could've achieved a much cheaper and quicker end result. Even now as it is I pretty much only use this sub for recipe ideas and pretty much only look at the best of threads and such for these ideas and barely ever read a post or even really contribute at all. This isn't how I'd like for things to be obviously and I feel a little bad about how this sub has only become a resource for me and not something I feel like being a part of instead. I've thought this about this sub for some time and completely agree with you on this especially with cities starting to do flavor bans.
I think there’s some passion and some spark here and that’s always good. It doesn’t surprise me that folks feel a sense of responsibility with recent legislation passing. While diy can be a hobby, vaping for many has been about life over death.
My experience as a relative newcomer is that this Reddit is like a library, a great resource but hush hush quiet. I hear what people are saying about feeling a sense of elitism and I also hear what’s been said about making a place for yourself. There’s a delicate balance in terms of welcoming new people and also integrating them into the fold. I have had nothing but support here from people whose names I now recognize as very experienced mixers who could probably easily keep their knowledge to themselves and make a living off their work. For that, I’m grateful and keep a humble attitude. I accept the lack of traffic as part of the pensive and thoughtful atmosphere. This lends towards more thoughtful posts and responses and I do appreciate that.
OTOH I also see the new what are you mixing thread engaging people both New and old into a more discussion type conversation that has some energy in it. I personally don’t mind scrolling but often forget to go back and check old threads even recipes of the month! Sometimes I just go back one month and read because there’s so much I can miss. It’s almost like getting a magazine monthly in the mail. Like cook’s illustrated. With pencil drawings. I personally asked for the new mixers thread to be labeled because without it I had no place to post. I have no problem following the guidelines of a community. However what’s definitely lost is the collaborative feel which was why I pushed for a collective flavor test thread once. Some were interested and some not. I found responses of experienced mixers who were willing to give it a try if the community wanted it a very humble mentality.
In the end, I think that what makes a community great is when people take ownership of a space. A long time ago in a galaxy far away (2002) I started an Internet community and helped make it into a viable forum to discuss political issues. What a time suck! The moderator system was group determined and eventually the scales tipped in favor of — well, plain idiocy. I learned that you can’t control people and that communities evolve and you can’t make people be what they aren’t (thoughtful, kind, generous and humble). I think there’s enough positive people and energy here to keep the community standards high while we try to marry wisdom with freshness. Older contributors add guidance and also get to feed off fresh new energy. There should always be a place for both of those forces to play and create wonderful offspring that I can vape for eternity. Or until the next new flavor line comes out.
Thank you to the mod team and all the sub contributors, as I know I’ve never said it before. It seems this thread is a good place to put it which, to me, validates this rant entirely. If I can be so modest.
Very well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Speaking frankly, the only off interaction I ever experienced here was with you. Someone had posted about rebuildable atties best for flavor. There were many replies that offered suggestions and I made a short comment about how this was diy ejuice specific and to try another sub. You responded in what I took to be a less than pleasant way and I reacted in a rather snarky way rather than just explain. It’s bothered me since and I’d like to apologize for that. I should have just explained myself. Please accept my apology.
Probably the most unpopular mod speaking here.
When I first started as a mod, I pushed for a mod post asking the community what they preferred as far as content. I wasn't going to step in and be the new guy that changed the whole sub around, and none of the other mods really considered the idea and the post never happened, so I just assumed it was a dumb idea that I had. So, there I was, a new person in a position where there was a list of rules to be followed, and a sub with a history of putting down users who didn't follow the rules. (which even I experienced when I was new to the sub). I didn't really want to be an ass at first, so I added a few things in automod to sort of handle the repetitive stuff that broke the rules. There's only so much it can do, so it left a lot of garbage for the mod team to deal with manually. Within a few months, modding the sub felt more like an unpaid thankless chore that consumed my time to serve a community that I believe for the most part didn't give a shit with the exception of a very vocal handful, so I felt kind of stuck between appeasing long time subscribers and welcoming clueless new subscribers. It definitely wore on me, and I slowly lost the urge to contribute.
There's not much I enjoy about the sub anymore, and I agree, its about time for a change and I appreciate this post and all of the input. Ironically, I recently brought up getting rid of most of the rules and doing away with threads, so there has been some behind the scenes discussion, but I feel like we've needed a post like this for a long time, so thank you.
I guess I should tell people here that I'm sorry as well.
I was planning to make a post explaining how I had a major role in ruining the sub, and my intentions to fix it. Figured that would start up the dialogue, but this thread has done that much better without all the self-flagellating I would have had to do, so thanks.
I don’t think you are solely responsible for “ruining” the sub. Or that that’s actually what happened. I don’t believe it’s ruined, it just needs a reset button. And it’s very easy to do, with some communication as to what’s going to change. Don’t be so hard on yourself.
I don't take sole responsibility, but as I said in the video, a lot of these rules I pushed for when I started on as a mod, and I feel they are the rules that have hurt the sub the most.
" On rolls the old world meantime, and now one, now the other gets the day, and still the fight renews itself as if for the first time, under new names and hot personalities."
https://archive.vcu.edu/english/engweb/transcendentalism/authors/emerson/essays/conservative.html
Glad I'm new and don't give a shit what NMT means.. :)
I think all of the issues here boil down to the limitations of Reddit itself. There's no way to provide clear instructions on the front page and a simple way to navigate the sub. The sidebar is neat, but not the first place newcomers will look unless they are veterans of Reddit. No need to apologize for attempting to clean the sub up.
Personally I don't care where people post as long as we don't drown in zero effort shitposts.
Unfortunately, the people who are most willing to post (other than the much-maligned 'elite') are usually the ones most inclined towards zero effort shitposts.
Unfortunately I know exactly what you mean. Dropping the rules would send the sub into chaos, but removing some of the threads and having a more lenient approach to what is allowed might work. It's not the first time it's been tried here though, and there's no point in even attempting it again if some decide to start a flame war with the newbies, but maybe the mood has changed. I can ignore low effort posts to the most part, but I can also see why others find them infuriating. In the end it's up to the mods as they're the ones who will face whatever comes of it.
I'm too used to you being to the point and blunt. I'm almost convinced this is troll... Go back to how you were before! Please!
Also. I do think this is a step in the right direction... I feel that a lot more people will get questions answered this way.
Trust me, I do not have enough time on my hands to be making up this long of a troll post. I am sincere. I love this place and I want to see it grow
It grew to the point where best practice was considered to be designated points for the basic beginners stuff. You raise valid points in your post and you personally help people out quite often.
As long as this is still a place where anyone can share their queries and experiences, I think that continues for a long while yet.
I believe I posted a question here once (asking about Liquid Barn's pre-mixed VG/PG) and it was not the most welcoming experience.
Only subreddit I've ever felt I don't belong to at all.
If you're not part of the "Elite" it seems you're not listened to at all.
This wasn’t welcoming?
Or was it in another post? I’m no trying to call you out, I’d genuinely like to know what has tainted your experience here.
> If you're not part of the "Elite" it seems you're not listened to at all.
That's true pretty much everywhere. It takes some time to be recognized as someone to listen to, and to earn some respect. It's not unique, and easily overcome... just prove yourself and don't assume you'll be listened to right away.
At work right now and the video wouldn’t load, but I think I get the idea of what the post is all about. I’ve occasionally directed people to the NMT, but not really because I’m a sidebar Nazi or anything. It’s just if I think the post will end up getting deleted, I don’t want my answer to be lost along with it. Or if I don’t know the answer I know they’ll likely get more help if they post in the right thread.
So I guess what I’m saying is I’m cool with whatever. Doesn’t really matter to me where I see a question posted; if it has to do with tobaccos, I’ll be answering.
Great idea opening up this sub a bit more. I think a lot of apprehension stems from not wanting to come across as the "stupid kid in class" who asks questions in front of the "cool kids" who know it all. Than again, this thread is like any institution with its hierarchies, status groups, unspoken codes of behaviour which enforce norms and so on.
Trying not to piss off an expereinced mixer with a question or suggestion is a bit like tip-toeing on Cambodian landmines; existential fear of becoming another reddit amputee. If people feel too intimidated to say anything, you're going to miss out on hearing alternative viewponts, which might have merit or not. You also end up closing down the possibility of open discussion that would benefit the whole community. With less differences of opinion on mixing, you end up with a hive-mind mentality, an echo chamber where the same opinions on flavours or mixing are reinforced.
Overall, this sub has been an amazing resource for me with its knowledgeable mixers, stellar flavour reviews and indespensible tips. And opening it up means you are opening it up to different viewpoints and perspectives , which can only be a good thing.
Rather unsurprisingly, I don't see anything wrong with expressing a minority opinion (especially if the minority opinion is the correct one). However, people.posting a five word question as.its own thread? Fuck that noise. I don't see a problem with recipe posts being made in their own threads...if they're original, and not the billionth variation on something that's already been done way too many times (not that I'd mention mustard milk by name or anything). Like I said before... we can ease up on swinging the ban hammer but still clean out the shitposts.
"we can ease up on swinging the ban hammer but still clean out the shitposts."
Exactly. Wouldn't want this reddit to become a dumping ground for any old shite either so some cleaning out will be necessary.Hope that doesn't create too much of a headache for you guys though. Whack a mole comes to mind.
You're right about the the zero-effort, five word questions and shitty recipe posts. I think some of that occurs because some newbies aren't aware of the format of this sub reddit. They might think It's like the electronic cigarette sub reddit, where you can post whatever question comes to your mind.
I use to visit and participate in this sub alot. I stopped after a few incidents and watching how the sub turned into an elitist jerkfest over time. It was really disheartening to watch an outlet of information and support being torn away from the community and new diy`ers. I no longer post recipes or visit the sub much anymore.
I lurk here mainly because this sub seems to me a "Flavor Review" station and quite barren. I mean I wanted to mix fruity tobacco vape and instead of asking here for suggestions, I messaged u/ChemicalBurnVictim and that dude helped me out. The reason I didn't post here was because for some reason asking regarding recipes in a DIY_EJUICE subbreddit seemed out of fucking place to me since it wasn't some in depth flavor review. Think about that for a second...
Edit: words
> instead of asking here for suggestions, I messaged u/ChemicalBurnVictim
That's actually the best plan.
I do that still from time to time. Brah knows his shit. And he's totally helpful. I don't think I'd have gotten anywhere near where I have with tobaccos without his help... and I still consider myself a student at the feet of the master in comparison.
I think opening things up is a good idea. If it makes it easier for people to post, they will post more. As far as the "elite" people keep mentioning, I have to disagree. Some of the people being called elite are the people who are putting time into sharing information with us, sharing their experience, doing flavor reviews, friday faq's, answering questions, and so many other things I haven't mentioned but they are teaching all of us out of the goodness of their hearts. That's why their opinons are listened to-they know what they are talking about. They aren't elitist, they're EXPERIENCED.
I don't think anyone means it in a negative way, more like a distinction between the people who feel comfortable to make posts and the rest who don't.
I would like that to be true, but if they are using it as a reason not to post, it doesn't seem positive. I hope you are right.
I hope that all of this doesn't come across to the experienced people like they are not appreciated. As friendly as 99% of the people are here the sub itself isn't welcoming and that isn't a positive thing but it's not because of the 'elite', it's just an environment that suits them the most.
I think of it like being a musician entering a room full of famous professionals, you wouldn't resent them but you wouldn't want to ask what the notes are in a C#m9 chord.
Wat
My point was quite clear.
“Making sense to the author” is kinda the key feature of incoherent ramblings.
It wasn’t an incoherent rambling though. Maybe to those who didn’t watch the video that I linked to in the first line of the post. Or to those who don’t know what has been going on in the sub. But clearly a few of you who didn’t understand were in the minority, as the other comments show.
Listen here, fucker, I want MORE alienation. Let's make this sub a place where only I'm allowed to yell about shit, call people cucks, and release mediocre-at-best recipes. I need a platform to boost my self esteem.
But in all honesty, I think the issue here isn't entirely the fact that rules are put in place to keep things clean and beneficial for people just hopping in. If reddit was like a message board type deal where things could be sectioned off in different categories, I doubt we'd even need this type of discussion. However, obviously not the case.
I think all that this entire "culture" needs is more people getting involved. Not just mods or the "bigger names" creating less division. A lot of that belief is also perpetuated by these fucking losers who just talk shit and contribute nothing. I see it often. People shit talking other dudes who've been here for years, saying they're elitist and arrogant. Sure, maybe some are, but when your post history suggests you only come to reddit to complain and only SAY that you have all this mixing experience and knowledge, but never actually provide any content for others, that's a problem.
Everyone just needs to go back to the days when I first got on this sub. Recipes left, right, and center. Some ideas for new experimentation. "Open source" recipes where a bunch of people were working on the same idea in comments to make something special. Now it just seems like a flavour review dump and a bunch of people circle jerk crying over how much they hate this sub or the mixing community in general but do nothing to change it.
I've said it before, this sub isn't dead. It just needs some new life. I have been horribly inactive here, and I want to change that. I miss helping people with their shit. I just get sick of motherfuckers acting like they are owed shit when they dont do anything to help themselves.
Personally I like how clean this sub is. Sure sometimes the lack of new posts is boring. If I am actually bored, I just go to another sub or get on FB, etc. Generally that doesn't happen though. Most of the time I am too busy to be bored. So I like that I can come to the sub and find exactly what I am looking for without spending hours hunting for it.
When I am on another sub trying to get a quick question answered, about a fish tank for example, it is nearly impossible. The threads scroll by so fast no one ever even sees my questions. And the mods in those other subs don't bother to answer the weekly questions threads on the rare occasion that the sub has one.
I personally do not want to see this sub become a cluttered mess where the first 10 pages are the same 10 or 15 questions being answered over and over again. I always refer to this sub as the sub for intelligent people lol. There is not a bunch of extraneous bs I have to sort through. Plus if I do have a quick question I know if I post in the questions thread, it WILL get answered.
With that said, it would be nice to not be terrified to start a new thread. I have literally NEVER started my own thread for fear of it being labeled a shit post and ridiculed by the more experienced people. I wanted to have a discussion one time about the different types of sweeteners; comparing different brands, chemicals, effects, etc. The weekly thread will not spur much, if any, actual discussion. One person will answer part of your question and that is the end of the discussion. At least that's what happened when I tried that particular question in the weekly thread.
So I don't know. I am wondering if there is a way to keep the weekly questions thread but maybe relax the guidelines in terms of what constitutes a shit post vs a quality post for folks that want to have a more in depth discussion of their question.
Those are just the thoughts off the top of my head. I haven't actually watched the video yet. Perhaps I will have more concrete and constructive feedback once I have actually seen specifically what is being proposed.
Personally, I can tell you only how I would define a shitpost - something that makes obvious that neither research nor thought were put into the question, and that indicates zero effort whatsoever. So, if you posted a thread titled "Sweeteners" with the post body being "Hour thoughts?" ... that would be a definite shitpost. Now, if your post was about how you were curious as to the various brands of sweeteners and the alternatives to sucralose/EM based sweetener, trust me on this, I would find that interesting and worthy of a post. Even if it was just to say "that'll be a future FotW topic" but I'd probably go more into depth.
"I love helping people out in the Questions Thread. I love helping new mixers out in general. I wish I could devote way more of my time nowadays to do so on an even greater level."
You've certainly helped me. Thanks!
That said, my very post on this sub was a rather low effort question that I made without even reading the side bar. I definitely could have asked it in the questions thread so my bad, but for me, that post was a huge success. I got tons of helpful replies, it sparked a couple of side discussions which I also learned extra details from, and ultimately it was more engaging than the questions thread. Since that post, I've only been asking in the questions thread and it hasn't been nearly as awesome as my first post. Just sharing my experience as a n0000b.
Nothing wrong with a fresh start. DIY is more important now than it's ever been, especially with constant government legislation and regulation. More and more people are going to switch to making their own juice as it might be there only option in the future. I'd be choked to see this subreddit fade away as it's allowed myself and MANY others to do what we all enjoy doing. Fuck cigarettes.
Well I look forward to seeing to what this sub can grow into! Like many others I was a lurker for a long time in this sub but I still enjoyed the content. With the ever increasing regulations and laws being passed I think we should try to help all the people we can, even if that means seeing the occasional shit post.
Thanks soo much cranky pants! I knew I liked you for a reason 😉. And it doesn’t matter before, as long as you’ve seen the light now is all that matters. Sometimes newbs really get barked at unfortunately and I hope it can end. It doesn’t cost anything to be nice. 👏🏻👏🏻😬
Just to echo the comments of many others and share my thoughts...
Generally speaking, I agree that a revamp is in order. I do have some legitimate concerns about the number of low content shit posts that will arrive by doing so, but as a moderator, our roles are to facilitate for the community, not dictate. I quit smoking as a result of finding this sub and was able to afford to quit smoking because of it. I haven't bought a pack of smokes since 2014 thanks to the efforts of many of the old hands. I hope we can facilitate a community to allow as many others as possible to have that same opportunity.
The rules that are in place today were put in place as a result of high content discussions fading into the abyss rapidly by "what can I mix with these flavors" and "what should I order" threads.
That said, the level of discussion (or lackthereof) taking place on the sub today is utterly abysmal. This sub was more interactive on a daily basis when we had 1500 readers compared to today's nearly 42,000. I am active in a few private subs with less than 1000 subsricbers and we have more discussion on a daily basis than takes place here.
While I purposefully don't carry any weight as a moderator around here any longer (in title only as I like to think about it), I would love to see this community returned to it's former glory.
All of my comments should be taken with a grain of salt, as many others have stated in response to this topic (for different reasons) I'm predominately a lurker nowadays.
P.S. If anyone is good at searching Reddit history, I'd love a link to the first post I made here. $10 says it was a post that would not be allowed under today's rules. Seeing as this was the first place I had ever visited on Reddit, I may very well still be a smoker today if I had been turned away after making my first post.
Edit: A few things...
Almost 4 years ago https://www.reddit.com//r/DIY_eJuice/comments/2b6hf8/looking_for_a_vendor/
Why not make /r/diy_ejuice_info and post all the important strictly moderated stuff there, and let /r/diy_ejuice be general discussion?
I made this post a long time ago and none afterwards. I thought perhaps it could become a good discussion/collections of flavors that could be easily mixed for good results and to avoid the dozens of bad fruit flavors, but immediately it was rejected.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/7xeweu/what_do_you_think_are_the_best_mixed_berry/
It happens. A number of people don't like the idea of "best flavor" discussions for some reason. I mean, yeah, LA lemonade isn't much good if you want a real lemon zest flavor, but if you're looking for a lemonade... and there's lots of similar examples with other flavors... sometimes there's a 'best' realistic versus candy version... some flavors are the best of their kind for solo use while another version is the best to use in a mix. But while it's possible to cogently discuss which flavors are best for what application, people just want to say "it's too hard" like they're a toddler who's frustrated at not having a instant answer.
That said, "best berry mix" is a pointless question. The obvious answer is a homemade blend of FLV Cranberry, INW Raspberry, the Blueberry trinity, and a black currant.
Yeah i guess i messed up using the word "best" lol, "great" would have been a better word, or maybe "your favorites" because i was looking to start a discussion of various different berry mixes that are rock solid. I will write down the mix you suggest and try to get it going in the future when I order more flavors, thx!
So, basically what you're saying is let the shitposts and handchecks take over? Ok... I'm game.
I mean, you can always downvote them
/u/juthinc is a downvote magnet
What? What are you gonna handcheck, flavor bottles? This isn't r/vaping, I think we'll be ok.
Exactly. I used to see a few pics of orders being posted, but those are few and far between.
Yeah, I don't see a problem with posts like that, anything can open discussion. If the community doesn't like it, it will get downvoted and people won't see it anyways. Seems like it might be best to more or less let the community enforce itself. Aside from the obvious troll type posts.. I do still like the organization topics like the stickied posts as well.
Nah. There won’t be any of those I reckon. Occasional shitpost? Maybe. But that’s life. Do you mean pictures of flavors or shipments. Meh. Won’t be many of those either. I’ve seen them before but they are a rare beast. And the mods can remove those.