I've been struggling with this for some time. There are a few fruit flavors, that when present in commercial juices have no floral/perfumey notes, but when mixed, have very strong notes of that, particularly on the exhale. One such culprit is mango, but also passion fruit, and others. Seems to happen quite a bit with the tropical fruits. Is there any explanation for this? Is there any way to dial it down?
The ways I've been somewhat-successfully countering this is by adding small amounts (.25%) of apple/watermelon/peach, but that really "muddies" up the clarity of the dominant flavor. Of course, this is someone undesireable, but have yet not found a way of getting rid of this.
I totally get that each person has different palette, and maybe that is it for me. The meta-problem here is getting rid of unwanted perfume-y/floral notes to fruits flavors (and posibly non-fruit flavors).
[EDIT] FWIW, I am using a Horizontech Arco II tank with a Vaporesso Revenger Mod.
Sometimes it's just the variety of a flavor. So say INW Raspberry compared to TFA raspberry sweet, yeah the INW is prone to floral, but the TFA isn't. Of course, mainly strong flavors go floral when too much is used... the trick is usually to use less.
With this in mind, I usually have tfa raspberry sweet, but accidentally ordered tfa raspberry. It smells a little floral / perfumey. Any suggestions on how to use it. It's one of my standard daily vapes to use with vbic to create what I call raspberry ripple ice cream flavour, but can I create a similar mix with the standard raspberry? Or will it taste like a cheap perfume?
I really like tfa raspberry (not sweet) it can get floral-y if used too high but it has a nice top heavy vibrancy with it that I love when using raspberries with more body like vt shisha raspberry or inw rasberry shisha. I would use it anywhere between .5-2%.
This thread is worthless without recipes or flavors.
Fact: Not all flavors are the same. I have approximately 18000 ingredients with 'strawberry' in the name and while they all taste like some aspect of a strawberry, they all taste extremely different from each other.
Fact: Flavor A tastes different when combined with flavor B
Fact: Flavor A and B will taste different when combined with flavor C
Edit: Some flavors are outright subjective, for me most melon flavors of any kind impart a floral-y flavor no matter what the percentage used. Even with big box juice like Adirondack I can immediately tell if they used a melon flavor in the mix.
Also if you're talking about TFA Guava then the problem is definitely that you aren't using enough. Try it at 10% and report back.
i have a lot of trouble with mango. i've tried several high rated, really lovely looking mango recipes on ATF and just downright hated them. i want to vape mango- i really do. i have flv mango, cap sweet mango and tfa's phillipine mango- everything i've made with them has gone down the drain. i honestly have started to think that i just can't do any florals. because i've toyed with other floral flavors and have been somewhere between disinterested and downright disgusted. some others is struggle with are dragonfruit (even as an additive to strawberry) and pear. i beilieve it's tfa's dragonfruit and fa's pear, to be precise. i can't vape anything with those in it. it's likely just a preference thing. some people hate tobaccos, some people don't care for creams, some people are sensitive to nutty flavors. it is what it is. i've kind of gotten tired of trying with mango.
So is it the peach or the pinesol that isn't appealing to you with the mango?
But aside from that... there are some 'lightweight' floral flavors like Honeysuckle and Elderflower that you could probably enjoy in a mix.
i do enjoy honeysuckle juices! and peach. not sure what's going on with my mango issue honestly. something about those flavors just don't translate as mango to me.
Have you tried each of your mangoes separately? I find that CAP Sweet Mango is a good representation of a overly sweet pulpy mango to my taste buds, but we all know how our taste buds can vary to one another's. If you haven't tried it I would recommend CAP Sweet mango at about 3-4% as a standalone, FA Pear is a interesting accent to CAP Sweet Mango so if you want to try pear again you can add it to the mix at around 1% as an accent. I used to make this mix with strawberry added as an ADV for the longest time so I just wanted to share this with you, even if our taste buds may be different, I hope this helps.
I may be in the minority but I much prefer cap dragonfruit to tfa. No floral notes for me and I think it's a more crisp tangy flavor compared to tfa. With tfa dragonfruit I get like a perfumey sweet tart taste. But like I said most recipes I've seen use tfa so ymmv
Its hard to get, but Ripe Mango from REKA in malaysia is that same amazing mango flavor in malay juices like Nasty. Nothing comes close.
Where can i get this? I have sexy mango, sparkling mango, but not ripe. I want to clone nasty, but those two don’t do it...
I would suggest using less of the offending flavor or you could try and force mute it with some marshmallow or creams or vanillas.
This is what I do to dampen the unwanted volatiles. Sweetner is the easiest way, then cream/vanilla/custard but ideally a perfectly complimentary counter flavour which can be hard to find. In other words, the unwanted part of the counter flavour profile masks the unwanted part of the volatile flavour and they cancel each other out.
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I don’t have much experience mixing, but I can tell you my recent experience with unwanted floral notes.
I recently got a bottle of FW Blackberry to experiment with. I mixed up a blackberry ice cream and let it steep a week. Long story short, I ended up having to add more sweetener than I was used to.
I didn’t know what else to do. Like you said, the aftertaste was just a killer for me. I wasn’t going to vape it as-is anyway, so I tried more sweetener. Surprisingly, it really killed that floral aftertaste for me and now I’m really enjoying it.
Could be you haven't aged/breathed them out properly? There are volatile compounds that smell like perfume, overly floral, metallic etc that will disappear after being thoroughly "steeped".
It greatly depends on the flavouring as well though.
Certain additives will mute some of the unwanted volatiles. Sweeteners being one of them. Partly why commercial juice tends to have plenty of it.
Flavors are not created equally. It really depends on the brand, your taste preference, percentages, vape style and a lot of other things.
There are probably 100 different strawberry flavors out there. Some are candied, perfumey, earthy, sweet etc etc. It varies from brand to brand and version to version. So if you list which flavors specifically (brand, etc) that you're getting the perfume notes from and your percentage, that would help in determining why you're getting that off note.
But if a flavor is inherently perfumey, there's not much you can do to counteract or cover that.