I use them pretty interchangeably. They will be different, but it's not going to mess up any recipes IMO.

Edit: an acronym

>before recycle?

I'm from 'Merica and we don't recycle or none of that hippy shit here. Clean coal, drill baby drill, frack is the new black!

But about 3 or 4 times. Really depends on how creased the bottle gets.

Waiting for the steep is the best thing to do. Heat will cause the flavors and nicotine to degrade.

Time is best. Heat can ruin more volatile flavor compounds, like fruits, and isn't worth the extra money when you can just make more juice than you need in order to have the good stuff steeping.

Fruits 1-3 days

Bakeries 5-7 days

Custards 1-2 weeks

Some tobacco 3 weeks plus

No to the heat steeping. Just shake and let the bottle sit in a cool, dark place if something needs to steep.

You could check this list for TFA flavors to see what’s in them.

So if you click on “List” for Raspberry, you’ll come to this page that lists all the different flavor molecules, and there’s a description of their flavor properties. Looks like the Ionene alpha and beta might be something you’ll want to avoid, so you can click the molecule name and it will show you this list of all their flavors that contain it.

Best I can help.

> one of the people who tastes vomit, when butyric acid is used.

That would be everyone with any remaining taste buds. Insanely long steeps will minimize how much puke can be noticed in a mix, but it's unlikely anything could eliminate it completely.

Lychee and raspberry are floral for everyone, it's about using other flavors to hide the floral notes. Butyric Acid is literally the scent of bile, so everyone who's vomited also tastes vomit with BA, but once again, it's about the flavors you can use to cover up that vomit note and only translate the creamy, buttery notes.

> I'd really like to avoid wasting time or money

You chose the wrong hobby bruh.

> 75!

75! = 2.4809140811395404e+109

> Planning to use PPE , eyepro and nitrile gloves ( are latex or vinyl no good ?) and being very careful

Latex is permeable to nicotine, so nitrile all the way. Also, with a concentration that high, I hope you're measuring by weight as syringes can be off a bit here and there, and with that much nicotine per mL, you're going to want to be precise.

>Right off the bat I think I'll water it down to 100mg/ml with VG

Good call, and be sure to follow /u/lNTERLINKED 's advice about splitting into smaller batches for the freezer.

I would definitely dilute it to 100mg/ml, then split it into several smaller containers. Put all but one in a tupperware box and keep in the freezer and use the remaining one until it's done, then re-up from the freezer.

Obviously you want to make sure it's not near any food and is well packaged. If you're putting it into glass bottles to freeze, don't fill to the top.

I would dilute with PG not VG. VG is pretty thick stuff and you can end up with hotspots if you don't warm it up and shake the ever living crap out of it. You still get hotspots in PG, but it's more fluid than VG especially at the lower temps you'll be storing your nic at.

If you get a high dose of nic on your skin (ie you wear gloves but spill it on your lap) go to the hospital. It's hard to estimate absorbtion rates accurately and while it might be a pain, nicotine toxicity is not a good time by any measure.

> How would I clean up spilled juice safely...

Ok, instead of just telling you what I do if I spill juice, I headed to google and found quite a few articles on the subject. They pretty much say the same things which is wipe up the juice with paper towels, clean surface with warm soapy water, rinse, wipe with paper towels again, let dry. If you need to know how to clean up spilled nicotine, hit google. (Clue: it's about the same procedure, depending on the size of the spill.)

Although dated, this list gives you some idea of the most popular flavors.

ATF is a good source for recipes, using the filter "simple" might help. But there have been tons of threads in this sub, give it a search.

But the harsh reality is that you may need to try a whole bunch of concentrates and recipes to find what you enjoy and there's no real shortcut. Order the smallest sizes you can find (usually 10 ml), but in the long run it will pay off to qualify for free shipping where available.

/u/ID10-T recently did a pretty awesome write up on simple recipes for FAQ Friday. Should give you a few ideas.

Xylitol adds a flavor to anything. I personally would never use it as I can taste it in whatever it’s in.

s/coffee/lab-grade

Then maybe. Although personally I'd rather do a centrifuge spin to remove particulates...

Or better yet, source powdered Rebaudio A that's already been purified and dissolve that in PG (or PDO or PEG 400 )

That sounds pretty good I can’t say for sure from experience but if all else fails I believe Nicotine River sells a stevia solution for a few $ and problem solved...;)

Looks alright to me, maybe the kiwi is a bit high but that is a matter of taste.

PG from Liquid Barn is the best I've had, like wang has stated multiple times.

I am against using any heat, especially in large batches which I find much easier to shake. It can and does harm more delicate volatiles.

If you want properly mixed nicotine without any hot spots, you should let your nicotine reach room temperature. A good method for this is to put your bottle under a tap running cool water. Turn up your thermostat, or turn down your freezer if your nicotine needs to cool down after being taken out the freezer.

I wouldn't use any PG or VG that's been opened longer than 10 months. They both absorb moisture from air, and with moisture comes off flavors from their environment.

Any flavor carrier can, if mistreated, pick up all sorts of off flavors which will fuck up a mix. This includes PG, just like the better alternatives.

I had my pg and vg from Bulk Apothecary for a few years before I started this and they were perfectly fine still. That’s 4-5 16 oz bottles of each. BA also price matches anywhere and everywhere so u can’t beat the price but free shipping doesn’t show up until $250.00 😩😂.. can’t beat the quality either imo...;)

My pg and vg were unopened btw..

The percentages on the label for assay, max chloride, water, sulphate, and ash, all match other companies' USP (food grade) PG. So yes, according to the label, and the datasheets of multiple other companies, this is as pure as the PG everyone uses.

I would say start at 2% and work your way up. It's better to start low, in a small batch; 10mL mix, and then drip a little and see how you like it. Add more after that.

Its hard to say what the "issue" was. I am a fan of letting a mix sit a while, except for rare occasions that letting it sit worsens the mix. Ya, vaping without a steep at any concentration can give you, personally, a result you dont like; or using the wrong concentration and letting it steep. There are many variables in there. I would suggest single flavor testing and see how much/when you like it.

Take say, 3 10mL bottles. Do a 2%, 4%, and 6%. Vape them right away, see if you like them, write down which one and how long each as sat until you hit a point where you really like it and thats your winner.

VG has inherent sweetness.

It can be done, mostly by adding flavors that overpower the sweetness. However, this isn't always optimal.

As VG is a sugar alcohol, it will have some inherent sweetness no matter what you do to it. Some VG is sweeter than others. I've found that the more neutral tasting VG is generally more expensive.

No it will not.

You may lose a few flavor volatiles, however... if you shake well, only open the bottle long enough to load your test sample, and seal it back up, it will continue steeping mostly unaffected.

Here you go, friend:

>I would definitely dilute it to 100mg/ml, then split it into several smaller containers. Put all but one in a tupperware box and keep in the freezer and use the remaining one until it's done, then re-up from the freezer.

Obviously you want to make sure it's not near any food and is well packaged. If you're putting it into glass bottles to freeze, don't fill to the top.

:)

If you want to wait for a 2-3 month steep, yes it's the same strength. It will never be the same flavor.

Yes it is that bad.

Also, flavour-boss is shady as fuck, using mixers' names and creations without credit or recognition. I'd like to highly recommend chefsflavours.co.uk instead, as you can buy licensed one-shots marketed by the mixers themselves, along with most manufacturers' flavors from a company that does things properly.

What you need to do is use a calculator like Steam Engine.

Then enter the info:

• total volume you want to mix

• % of flavorings you're using (most likely PG based)

• comcentration of nic base you're using (with it's PG/VG ratio)

• your target nic comcentration

• your target PG/VG ratio

Then the calculator will show you exactly what you need to add.

What you will do is keep the flavor at the same ratio, 15% and you will add 15% of regular pg (assuming you are not adding nicotine).

Your options are as follows:

1. Weigh out the flavorings for the 15% total. (this gets done regardless)
2. a. skip nicotine
   b. measure out PG based nicotine and note percentage of mix
   c. use VG based nic (and hope you shook the shit out of it enough), note percentage of mix
3. a. weigh out enough VG for 70% of the mix
   b. weigh out enough VG for 70% of the mix
   c. subtract amount noted in 2(c) from 70%, and weigh out that percentage of VG for the mix
4. a. weigh out enough PG or PDO or PEG400 to make up 15% of the mix
   b. weigh out enough PG or PDO or PEG400 to make up 15% (less the amount noted in 2(b), of course) of the mix
   c. weigh out enough PG or PDO or PEG400 to make up 15% of the mix

I think we need more info, but yes.. If you're shooting for 70% VG then you would need an additional 15% of PG. I don't know if you're using nic, but let's just say for example you're using 48mg/ml nic in 100% PG and want your juice to be 6mg in the end, then you would add

12.5% nic

2.5% PG

70% VG

15% Flavor

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Is that a juice, try the Clone thread if it is.

Sour is a hopeless cause, though.

Ok... short lesson:

PG is properly 1,2 Propanediol. PDO is 1,3 Propanediol. That slight modification to the molecule makes a huge difference in propensity towards raping your throat. Note that PDO is generally (in North America) tougher to source, as DuPont controls most PDO production and distribution is targeted towards industries other than vaping. Product liability on a substance that's inhaled does tend to scare companies. PDO is largely produced using HFCS, which is digested/metabolized by bacteria, in a manner similar to the most noble use of HFCS - the one involving yeast and copper line.

The other option is Polyethylene Glycol... aka PEG. Generally, PEG400 is the easiest to source. It's quite commonly used in stoner juices, but not so much yet in normal ejuice. I've been testing it lately... There are reports of it giving a terrible taste to a mix. Most likely, the PEG that does so has been improperly handled or stored (PEG, like PG, will absorb environmental contaminants and generate off tastes from such contamination) as I've definitely not experienced this.

Eventually, there may be more options, but those are pretty much it at the moment.

Note: the SG of PDO and PEG are not identical to that of PG, so you'll want to adjust the weights in your mixes if you use one of these alternatives.

Flavor bottles of dropper caps on them. What flavor are you trying to use? You obviously can’t get less than one drop out of a bottle. So you’ll have to make more than 5 ml samples. This is why it’s easier to mix by weight.

VG shouldn’t get sweeter. Do you know when exactly you bought them? Depending on how properly stored they were, they could be fine. You’ll have to try them to find out. Vape ingredients don’t have expiration dates. There’s nothing in them that would spoil. However, the components can and will degrade over time and with exposure to the elements. If you bought them before 2016, however, I’d toss them.

Depends on the system. I make 65/35 Vg/Pg for my aspire breeze. The coils can handle it but I could probably add a bit more PG for longevity. Smaller pod systems usually need at least 50/50 to wick properly.

Mixing max VG is simple - just add you flavoring and nic and fill up the rest with VG. The percentages are hard to quote unless you have specific concentrates. Some are weak and some are strong. Try finding a specific recipe you want to mix on ELR or ATF and you'll know the percentages.

Here's a headstart for you . . . Minty fresh gum

First off: you really want two recipes, preferably from different profiles, so you can switch off. Vaping just one thing all day every day tends to lead to not tasting it.

Secondly, each flavor's relative strength is independent of the relative strength of 'similar' flavors from different sources. So the exact flavors matter. Some recipes will be <1% total flavor, some will be >20% total flavor. It really varies. You don't want to increase flavor used just to add PG, tho... flavors are at least as expensive as PG, usually much more so. (note: if this is not the case where you are, buy the cheapest lemon you can find. steep for at least a month, and the lemon flavor should disappear completely) Also, a 90-10 ratio should be fine in general.

You used the exact same flavors?

It looks pretty bad, but not so much in the way you describe unless either your nic concentration is off... of course, 30% PG is on the high side, if you're sensitive to PG. You could try mixing a max VG batch to see if that was the issue... a small test batch of unflavored would determine how the various bases may be responsible...

.25% TFA Cinnamon Spice
.75% INW Lemon Mix
3.5% Menthol
5.5% TFA Peppermint
You may not notice the lemon or mint hiding in this, but it should help.

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