/u/Apexified said he needed someone to write a ton about simple recipes for his FAQ Friday series. Or maybe he said he needed a simpleton to write about recipes? I don't recall. If it was the latter, he's probably asked the right person to do it. But in case it was the former, I'll give it a shot.
"What's your current favorite simple recipe" posts seem to occur at least quarterly without drawing ire from the "search before posting" police, because things change, new flavors come out, new recipes are created, and there's enough interest in this topic to make it worth at least one thread per season. There are links below; check them out. I want to have conversation how special simple recipes can be, and how to go about developing them. I'll tell you how and why I make and share them, you tell me how and why you create them or mix them.
First of all, what is a simple recipe? I define a simple recipe as a recipe with at least two, but not more than four, flavor concentrates in it. Their appeal includes not just only being quicker and easier to make, but also often having superior flavor. Just because a recipe looks simple, doesn't mean it tastes simple.
For example: Coop's Kiwi Bourbon.
And for the tobacco lovers: Cardinal
Two of my favorite recipes of all time. Three ingredients each and both loaded with complexity. One thing about simple recipes is that they're trustworthy, in a sense. When it comes to trying others' recipes, you can see a 10-ingredient recipe and it looks good on paper, but often tastes kind of muddy. If you see a three-ingredient recipe and you know you like two of the concentrates, you can usually trust that that third ingredient you've never tried before doesn't ruin it, unless it just sounds absolutely terrible to you.
When it comes to developing them, find the best flavors that work together and balance them well. Do that, and often layering similar flavors becomes not only unnecessary, but frequently detrimental. I don't know what /u/Coop34's method is, it probably involves black magic, because that dude is a simple recipe warlock. As for my own method, this is a good lead-in to /u/ConcreteRiver's upcoming "Single Flavor Testing, Part 2." You notice how Rick usually ends those wonderfully detailed and fun-to-read flavor notes with suggestions for use? Most of those are clearly very well-educated guesses, but they're still just guesses. If you want to make great simple recipes, take it a step further. When you test your flavors, think about flavors you've tried in the past, and make your own suggestions. Then try your guesses and see how they work. Many won't. But the more you practice making pairings and simple mixes out of flavors you've just tested at various concentrations to get a feel for how they work at different levels, the more often they'll hit instead of missing. Not to sound too much like some kind of whackadoodle, but if you listen to your flavors, they'll tell you what to do with them. They don't usually ask to be one of a dozen flavors in a recipe. They want to stand out, they want to be heard, they just need the right one or two partners to do that. Sorry, I am off my meds.
This is kinda what I've been doing with these 1-2-3 recipes lately. And am just tickled to death to see others joining in the fun.
1-2-3 Recipes
1-2-3 Orange Ice Cream by heatho72
1-2-3 Ocean Water by ID10-T
FLV 1-2-3 by folkart
1-2-3 Caramel Coffee Candy by ID10-T
1-2-3 Lemon Drops by Deweysuds
1-2-3 Lemon Cheesecake With Gingersnap Crust by Bartas
1-2-3 Hydration Station by Bartas
1-2-3 Coco Pear Grahams by Ambedo
1 2 3 Jackfruit Limonade by DodgerFog33
1-2-3 Blue Pixie by cwill111
1-2-3 Lemon Drops by Deweysuds
1-2-3 Sex On The Beach by DigitalDrops
1-2-3 Tang Shake by ID10-T
1-2-3 Sparkling Mimosa by ID10-T
1-2-3 ID10-T by Deweysuds
1-2-3 Gummer by Deweysuds
1-2-3 Pistachio Lime by ID10-T
1-2-3 Cinapple Side Dish by ID10-T
1-2-3 Mustachio Pudding by Deweysuds
1-2-3 Van The Man by Deweysuds
1-2-3 Cranberry Sprite by ID10-T
I can't speak for the others, but mine are sort of like flavor notes in the form of simple recipes. Mine aren't the best recipes. In part because I'm not Coop34, but besides a lack of that level of talent, I'm not really working that hard on them. They're going though one, maybe two revisions, not a dozen versions trying to get something right like recipes that don't have 1-2-3 in front of them. But they're meant to be at least decent recipes and especially to be inspirational and to serve as examples. Inspirational as in, "I tried (or saw) ID10-T's 1-2-3 whatever and I knew I could to the same thing only better with just a little addition of this and a little less of that." I live for that sort of thing. And as examples, it's me saying, "I tried this flavor, he's an example of how it can work." But I also hope they're at least interesting to vape for anyone who happens to give them a try. Simple recipes don't necessarily taste simple. I think I said that already, but it bears repeating. Also, I do it for fun, and forcing myself to literally use 1% + 2% + 3% and make the best thing I can is challenging but not so challenging as to get frustrating, for me.
Another thing about these simpler recipes is that they can be incredible without as much revising. If you've used your knowledge of flavors that you gained from mixing lots of different things, mixing other peoples' recipes, and most importantly sampling your flavors by themselves to find a great pairing or ménage à trois, or you've sold your soul for one, or you've just stumbled blindly into one as I've done a few times, it's not that difficult to re-balance the mix with a little %s adjustment. When you taste a simple recipe and it it isn't quite right, it's not hard to figure out what's off and how to fix it. If you've thrown in 10 different things and it ain't right, figuring out how to fix the problem can be too daunting and time-consuming to the point it's just no fun anymore.
Another way to make simple recipes is to consolidate ingredients. If you find yourself over-complicating your recipe in ways that aren't really making much improvement in it, take a big step back and look at it again, with an eye toward using less ingredients. Find one perfect concentrate to do what you're trying to get two or three imperfect flavors to do and just let it do that. Try different %s to do that. You can try consolidating others' recipes. You see something interesting to you in what looks like an overly complicated recipe, think about how you might be able to keep the part that interests you but use one or two flavors to do the work of several.
AMA about simple recipes, share your favorites, share your thoughts.
As promised,
Simple Recipe Threads
- Trifecta recipes. What are your favorite 3 flavor recipes?
- Need best recipes for new mixers. Want to create new sidebar content.
- Can we do a simply recipe thread?
- What's your current favorite simple recipe?
- Whatchu vapin' on Willis? Plus 2 stupid simple recipes and why they work.
- Simple, low percentage, few ingredients recipes
- What are your favorite single and two flavor recipes?
- Two ingredient recipes / aroma-powercouples
- STFU Simple Newb DIY $66.60 Contest! Post your 2,3&4 flavor fave recipes
Bonus: Rant about over complicated recipes <--- Great stuff here.
Previous FAQ Friday topics that may be of interest
Apexified has cross-posted these to a minimalist blog setup on http://FAQFriday.com. It's just a way to keep them all together and updated while allowing him to host some tangential information and smaller topics than would warrant a post here. Check it out, because he made it for you.
Edit: Me and my stupid, clumsy fingers apologize for the typos this thing was ripe with.
How dare you imply my guesses are educated.
Man, I'm from Texas, cut me some slack. You can imagine how low the bar is set for things appearing educated to me.
Nice write up!
Single flavor testing is what has helped me the most. I do that with every new to me flavor. As well as revisit random flavors that I haven't tried in a while. You know, those ones that have been sitting neglected for a long time. Sometimes the second try just clicks better.
Working thru SFT, pairings/combos will often make themselves known. Then it's just a matter of finding a complimentary accent. Resist the urge to keep adding things just because they sound good in theory. Get that base down, and you may just find that it doesn't need 5 more things added. (Quit adding random things, people!)
Another thing that I like about keeping a recipe simple is it's adaptability. For example a genius (whose name I forgot, sorry) mentioned subbing TFA Apricot for Kiwi in that bourbon that you love so well. I gotta admit that I prefer it. Another example is this simple creation was easily transformed to this top-voted recipe.
So, no black magic here. My method is rather...simple.
MFW simple recipe wizard approves of my post about simple recipes!
Exactly why I declined the chance to do the write-up. I am not nearly as loquacious as yourself. My version would have been shorter, and without all the useful links. You really covered all the bases.
Guys, guys, please, I love reading your stuff and following your advice and mixing your recipes and much obliged etcetera, and I mean that. But the overly self deprecating praise & trumpet thing going on in this sub has now reached a reciprocity probability of about 300 percent per thread, and that means, with all due respect, it is starting to suspiciously look like a clique circle jerk. Your mutual respect is a great thing but it doesn't necessarily get even better by constantly stuffing feathers up each other's asses. (this is a Dutch proverb I don't know a proper English version for, but I guess it's not completely lost in translation).
Also,
| Mellow Cool ---|--- 4% | FW Extreme Ice (5 or 6 percent if you like it frosty) 1% | TPA Marshmallow 0.5% | CAP Super Sweet (or 1% TPA Sweetener)
Mellow Cool on the ELR website
If you're trying to help a new vaper find his ADVs and nothing seems to please, try this, it seems to be the e-juice for people who don't like e-juices. Introducing it right away won't work, you need to try at least a dozen of ELR's / ATF's finest recipes first, could have something to do with flavour fatigue and growing frustration making a nice landing place for the cooldown.
I remember when I first started mixing I was mixing others 5 to 7 ingredient recipes. I hated wait for them to steep cause I love bakery/dessert vapes only. Then I found your simple sugar cookie recipe. That shit blew my mind! How the hell could only 2 flavors be so tasty? And it's still good as a shake and vape. Hell it's still my go to ADV. Simple recipes put a lot of things I to prospective for me. Now majority of my vapes are only 3 to 4 flavors. I love all you do here for us, keep it up my man.
For about a year now my all day every day vape has been my Brigade. It’s half a percent off and about a year early to be part of the 1-2-3 thing :/
I believe I mixed it the day I got Black for Pipe in. No revisions, no regrets.
> No revisions, no regrets.
Hell yeah CBV <sign of the horns emoji>
That's a sexy looking recipe and I've heard people praising it before. I'm missing 2/3 of those, but I might have to pick them up or having someone who has these flavors mix me up some. At a higher nic level than I usually vape.
It looks like you did with Black for Pipe the same thing I've been doing with the 1-2-3's and before that, with recipes like Mother of Dragons' Milk and Simple Sugar Cookie. "OK, this ingredient's already pretty awesome, now how can I easily level it up?"
> someone who has these flavors mix me up some.
I will be sending off my mixers club stuff soon so I could always sneak you in some
Have a loaf flavourart tobaccos (have the dnb, and cuban ta) any idea of something similar profile wise that could replace the black for pipe?
That’ll be tricky. The taste is mostly Black for Pipe. The other two are mostly there to bring out some more smokiness and ash. Maybe something like this would be good with the Cuban in place of the Garuda. It won’t be the same, but it should be good.
Good write up. These are my jam; I love simple 3ish flavor recipes.
I noticed they take a lot less balancing and you're more likely to find a very valuable product with using an educated guess for percentages.
Never thought of doing the 1-2-3 percentage recipes before. Sounds fun. I'll have to give it a shot.
It's this year's Strap-Ons apparently. I'm sure /u/queuetue appreciates seeing 1-2-3 recipes vs. all the faux peens of '17.
Nice write up, and thanks for the link to the over complicated recipes thread - that was a great read. I've got two or three recipes I'm going to strip down to the basics and start over.
Thanks for taking the time to read it! I hope the stripping down to basics helps, remember to try to rebalance those basics before adding more ingredients that might actually be unnecessary. I have to remind myself to do that all the time.
Outstanding! These FAQF’s are so well done 👏🏻👏🏻! I have never seen so many give back so freely. And what’s given is gold not just yard sale stuff. Haaa...I’m so grateful and thankful for all you smart talented mofos sharing what you don’t have to it makes my heart smile when smiles of the heart aren’t as frequent as they once were. I’m not as sft’ing advanced as i would like to be so my 123 recipes are repeats of what you’ve posted already instead of any of my own.. but they’re heaven honestly and yes they’re also such another great teaching tool...many many thanks to all you mixing gurus for such deliciousness...;))
Here's a new one. Dreaming of summer https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/94901
That looks awesome! Like going on a Pink Guavacation!
It's out of control how much I see the FLV Pink Guava the past 2 months. It's not as crazy as Cactus/WS-23 but I don't remember when a flavor caught so much hype along with what it looks like awesome recipes on ATF:
Even our /u/concreteriver https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/14486#fiestas_and_fiascos_by_concreteriver got on it --- No snark or big notes either, basically just Thick, dense, and juicy.
Which I take it his way of knowing he did something good and a more polite way of him saying just mix this up muther fuckers. While he just sits backs and reads the rave reviews and racks up points.
Fuck, ATF is such a good site and now the comment system is better but how people go to ELR still and how that site hasn't blown the F up is shocking. It's not as user friendly in terms of inputting your data, recipe maker/font could be cleaned up, or having to log in through google/facebook/twitch etc.... but hey, no mixes with 20% flavorings, but that's besides the point because 80% of the non-20 are horrid anyways. Which is why I won't post my first until I nail it so I don't become part of the spreading virus that affects the site more and more each day to find something decent.
BTW what's the deal with the site. Does Wayne 100% own it? If so, which I think, it's odd he doesn't join his site's membership with that one, I'd sign up and pay in a second instead of 2 different subscriptions. I suspect many other people too, it would just make sense and profit to be made so maybe a little cross promotion from the two owners should be in order.
I mean, it's pink guava. It speaks for itself. But, I will say, That recipe is like a year and a half old. I did steal botboy's affinity for Pink Guava though, so I don't think it counts.
Wayne doesn't own ATF, but is close with queuetue. I dig the platform, and I don't mind paying for it. Specifically because you can still sort of navigate it without the barrage of single flavor tests and reposted adaptions on ELR.
Glad to see this thread pop up. Been all about the simple recipes lately!
I'll def be revisiting this thread later after work but here's a quick one for now.
"The ol' SUCC"
FLV Berry Blend - 0.5% TFA Honeysuckle - 2% JF Juicy Lemon - 1% INW Vanilla Cream - 0.5%
Shit, lemon and honeysuckle are so fucking good together. Little touch of flv Berry blend to mix it up and INW vanilla cream to smooth things out/that little bit of vanilla. Mmmm mmm.
I've always mixed on the lower % side of things so maybe some people might want to boost some of the ingredients? This is really on point for me tho personally and I hope somebody else can enjoy it too.
I wanna post this and some other ones to ATF with some more detailed notes but I'm having issues logging in to my account. Gonna have to give their support an email.
4% Sweet Guava (CAP)
1% Cactus (INW)
Mother of God that is some great stuff. I ripped through 60ml in 2 days and it's a true shake and vape also but obviously the cactus will tone down a bit over time. A hidden gem for sure. If that's too simple for you then throw in .25 WS-23.
https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/37881#prickly_victory_by_hashslingingslashur
BTW: These FAQ Friday posts is truly one of the best things to ever hit this sub.
Love me some Sweet Guava. I think I've used most of mine on /u/ID10-T's Prickly Pear but that one looks like it's worth a mix.
BTW: Thank you for the compliment! I'm really happy people are finding the posts to be useful and glad to finally be able to give back to the community after all these years of just hanging out absorbing knowledge :)
You are loved, but I think a large part is due to the phenomenon known as blue raspberry :-).
I think it started out years ago doing a 3:1 raspberry to peach ratio like TFA's juicy/sweet. Then /u/skiddlzninja wrote an article for Wayne's defunct magazine which he broke out FLV's boysenberry at .4'ish, TFA's Sweet Ras 4%, 1.5% EM I think.
Then Wayne busted out Misty which totally went under the radar for some reason which is supposed to be very popular and recently he busted out another one. All that while the commercial side has exploded as I take it people are eating it up because they can toss in a gallon of EM which is already in half of the base itself anyways.
Plus Heisenberg, which I've never had, is supposed to be Lenola Cream, Watermelon Crack, Placid x48.
Count me on the list of trying to get a nice good blue raspberry that's not cloyingly sweet. I have everything possible on the blue raz standalone side from OOSDIY slush, RF Blue Raz, WF Sour Blue, LB's Blue Raz (yuck) --- From what I read those are the top 4 biggest heavy hitters.
Your recipe, well both, however your old one seems to get more love than your new one :-) seems to be the standard and go to for blue raz. Or maybe like me didn't know you revised it and bought FW's Razzleberry for example and damn well use it because what the hell else will it go in.
Not a fan of Misty, Wayne's new one is decent but maybe it'll be better using something different than LA's raspberry, the famous Naked's 100 clone on ELR and here (solid notes), on top of it Slush is a bit overrated and I disagree that it's a stand alone, especially at 10%. Like I said before though, that company owes you a thank you and a their full supply 100%, no debate about it because you helped put it on the map.
Now that I've played around a bit, without mixing either of yours, I can tell you are on the right track. I'm going to mix the new one up right now minus Hibiscus/Champ and give it a go. Are the last two a deal breaker? I'd just buy them for this alone so I can't justify it unless there's a sale or need to stock up.
I'll play around with it a bit but I truly believe there is something magical to be unlocked in regards to blue raspberry through the blueberry Holly Trinity:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/60mhgw/feeling_berry_blue_need_an_fotw_to_cheer_you_up/df7m9pz/
I did 80 ml, then split in 4, and threw in random blue raspberry's that I mentioned along with different Raspberry's from LA/INW/FA's and 1 with a little caps blue raspberry cotton candy which I'm not too sure about yet because Slush is already sweet by itself. Now it's only a mathematical probability until I unlock the code to hit a complete home run. Although there is probably 4,000+ different possible combinations I have to rip through first.
Hopefully this Blue Raspberry rant will flush it out of my system. I'll mix yours up right now and let you know.
Edit: You said 42 different versions and 2 years in the making. Do you have notes at all online or written down? That would be very cool to see just like 2 guys who are doing the naked 100 clone and it's basically a damn blog.
Another interesting note that not a lot of people know about is OOS Blue Slush is 67% VG so it's throwing a of people's mixes out of wack and you should compensate or mark in as VG in ELR because still under PG.
>If that's too simple for you then throw in .25 WS-23.
can you recommend a starting point using polar blast (FA)?
Average mixing quantity: 1.2% (Median: 1%)
7% WS-3 (CAS 39711-79-0) aka Koolada ----3% Frescolat ML (CAS 61597-98-6) which is also known as L-Menthyl lactate C13 H24 O3
I have that too and I find WS-23 more powerful or maybe it's doing its job so well that I just notice it more but it's 3x more powerful than WS-3 at 10%. With Polar you can jump straight to .5 and work your way up.
I’ve got about 100 flavour concentrates but don’t think I can make any of those. I’m getting the feeling that alltheflavours has a different set of norms to e-liquidrecipes (which I normally use)? Interesting to know though, I’ll have to explore that site - just feel bad for my wallet and shelf space
Check the links to simple recipe threads of the past. A lot of that 1-2-3 stuff is working with brand new flavors, but the older threads list lots of recipes that you probably do have the stuff for. With the 1-2-3 stuff, again, can't speak for others, but my thing has been trying to put an example out there for how people might want to use flavor, which is often a new flavor that few people have.
But in the past, I've made simple recipes with the intentional goal of making them accessible to people who don't have that many flavors.
And I'm not alone in doing that, such has (I assume) these two by /u/ediblemalfunction
Eddie, if I've misrepresented your intentions in sharing these, I apologize.
Good to know, thanks for clarifying. I’m always interested in trying out new concentrates but I’d thought I was nearing the limit of what I might want! Are these new flavours you’re using quite often improvements on the more common concentrates people tend to use? There are actually a few brands there I haven’t even given a second thought. All my stuff is FA, FLV, CAP, FW, TPA or INA I think... and one LA
The ones I'm using, yes. The ones I'm trying, not necessarily. Most of my stuff is FA, FLV, CAP, FW, TFA, and INW as well. I'm looking into other brands and trying to find the gems in their lineups and use them. You'll often see them paired up with more common flavors because those are the ones I know well. It's easier to try to predict how they'll react to each other when the other flavors are more familiar.