An Angry Remix of my Saturday Morning Macaron recipe
Co. | Flavor | % ---|---|---- CAP | Sugar Cookie | 2 FA | Almond | 2 FA | Meringue | 2 FLV | Cinnamon Crunch | 2 FLV | Cream | 1 OoO| Cream (Milky Undertones) | 0.75 TFA | Acetyl Pyrazine 5% | 0.13 FLV | Rich Cinnamon | 0.08
Shaun Casey is the president of FlavourArt North America
It's just subbing a little OoO Cream Milky Undertone for the FA Milk, if you're just here for the recipe. The original recipe is posted in the April Recipe Thread.
The original recipe post for Saturday Morning Macaron had a link for DIY Vapor Supply, the only place to find FA Milk in North America. I edited that out real quick once someone pointed out that FA Milk wasn't there anymore, and set out to find out what the deal is.
Just got off the phone with DIY Vapor Supply. The good news is, they're bottling up more FA Milk and it will be available there again. "A few days" is the ETA I was given. The same goes for FA Custard Premium.
The bad news is, once their supply runs out out, they won't be carrying any more of either of those. I'm told they're only going to be selling those two in 10ml bottles because of high demand to "allow more people to get them." They also won't be re-stocking FA Butter, FA Pandoro, and a few others, but they won't be limiting the size of those because they aren't in as high demand as FA Milk and FA Custard Premium. Get 'em while they last, boys.
Why won't they be selling those anymore? Because FA North America has exclusive rights to sell flavors to vendors in North America and FANA doesn't offer those flavors from FA's "kitchen line." So why doesn't FANA just sell Milk, or Custard Premium, or Butter, or any of that other yummy stuff? Because diketones. So vendors who buy wholesale FA flavors from them aren't allowed to buy and sell any flavors from Italy or the UK and they are now enforcing that with threats of blacklisting, apparently. Ok, seems fair enough, right? Stop selling flavors we don't offer or you can't sell any FA flavors at all. Your customers aren't smart enough to make decisions about the potential harm of Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl or Acetoin on their own, we'll make that decision for them.
FANA wants to take away your delicious diketones.
Is it just because they care so much about harm reduction that the mere possibility that a diketone might hurt someone is just too much to bear? LOL, maybe. Or maybe it's fearmongering for profit. Maybe it's trying to harm competitors and sell more diketone-free flavors, such as by working with the FDA and its Canadian nanny-state equivalent to try to maximize profits by getting regulations in the US and Canada to force diketones out of commercial juice and sell more dike-free flavors. Do that to commercial juice, I don't care. But making DIY more difficult and expensive, and much less tasty, by not letting vendors sell flavors you won't carry, because carrying them would make it impossible to sell yourself as the diketone-free flavor-maker? Fuck you.
I'll buy the Pazzo line from my usual vendors because I doubt FA made that stuff themselves. Profits from it probably support some mixers in the DIY community, and they're exclusive to FANA as far as I know. But from now on, I'm boycotting the rest of FANA and only buying FA from the UK or Italy. I don't expect anyone else to take on the bother and expense of doing the same, but it'll make me feel better.
EDIT: AFTER THREAT OF LAWSUIT BY AN UNNAMED CEO, I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE THE OBVIOUS: ALL OF THE ABOVE IS SPECULATION AND IS IN NO WAY LIBEL OR SLANDER
From a business perspective this doesn't make much sense. If the claim is for harm reduction then why would they care? They are literally turning away money to "save you from yourself". They can't control what you do with their flavorings. I could drink it straight and I doubt that is very healthy. Does that mean they should only sell their flavorings in a prediluted state? The harm of them hasn't even been proven one way or the other. Never mind the entire picture of vaping being harmless in general.
Smoking has been researched to death. We know about all we need to about it. Vaping might as have nothing done at all from a research perspective. We don't know one of the most important things about it, long term effects. We assume chain vaping the substitute aromas from diketones is fine and healthy but chain vaping diketones will put you into a grave tomorrow with no long term evidence done at all. It would be fucking ironic if the shit we're forced to use now turns out to have health consequences.
I personally am more likely to buy a flavoring if I KNOW it has diketones in them. I always lean on the "let the market decide on what it wants" side. As I've always said, I do not give a shit about them.
The hysteria created by the community over diketones years ago has harmed vaping far more than anything current has. That was a perfect example of how bad the hivemind mentality really is with this industry.
We all assume a risk so fuck you, Flavourart.
I respect other people's desires to take harm reduction and even "potential risk of harm" reduction as far as they need to feel comfortable. But I'm right there with you.
FlavourArt North America is looking to perpetuate the diketone scare and profit from it. I'm ordering all my FA flavors from Chef's, FlavourArt UK, or if I have to, Italy now. Chef's already carries Custard Premium and Pandoro. I'm asking them to add Milk and Whipped Cream to their lineup now.
See, this is what's odd about FA and the illusion they've created. They talk about clearstream and vape safe flavors, and everyone assumes they are all DAAP-free (aka the Big Three).
Well DAAP stands for Diacetyl / Acetoin / Acetyl Proprionyl. But FA only tests for 2 of those components D and AP - they DON'T test for Acetoin. Why? Because they don't think it's a problem. So they don't test for it.
BTW, they have the test results (For D/AP) on the FANA site for all the flavors they sell, including the one for Yogurt which shows it contains Diacetyl https://flavourartnaflavourreports.com/assets/0715-579-1-yogurt.pdf
I opened that up fully expecting that to be the old yogurt but it says right on there that it's the new formulation. Weird. You'd think it would be a lot less nasty with all that yummy diacetyl in there. It tastes like pickled foot mayonnaise. And why reformulate the old version that was so good if not to take all the DAAP out? I am confused.
> Why? Because they don't think it's a problem. So they don't test for it.
FANA VP said on a YouTube show Thursday night that they don't need to test for acetoin because there has never been any acetoin used in any FA flavors, ever. Not that he didn't think it was a problem.
But, he also said that starting a conversation with someone by telling them that they could sue you and then asking you do to something does not equal threatening to sue you if you don't do something. So we kinda gotta take what he says with that in mind.
I think he's saying they want to perpetuate it on the basis that FA's being diketone free and their large promotion of it somewhat implying that other companies do use them, thereby scaring people away from using anything other than FA's certified dike-free bullshit. Could be wrong tho. Either way, the second someone fucks with my beloved custards, I'm not happy.
Threatening to sue you 100% seems like something the early 2000s teen romcom bad guy Shaun Casey would do. I'm just upset that someone else was so easily able to draw the ire of one of my sworn enemies :(
Ok so first of all I didn't say it was Shaun B. Casey threatening to sue anyone. I said unnamed CEO. Let's just leave it at that.
Two, I'm upset for you. It's not fair, you work so hard to piss someone off and get no reaction, and then some little punk like me comes along and gets Dollar Tree Alec Baldwin's panties all twisted up with a lil ol recipe post.
FANA has sent a letter to all NA flavor distributors warning them not to buy directly from Italy or they'll be blacklisted. Also, any emails to Italy about buying flavors from them or complaints about FANA are forwarded unread to FANA (that was fun to find out). On top of that FANA have a minimum price all shops are required to stick to (they ignore sales as long as it isn't a constant discount). Just a heads up from the shops side of things.
Can’t the distributors just buy the stuff and rebrand it rather than selling it under the FA label?
Short answer is no. FA has some pretty strict policies if you have a wholesale agreement with them about how their products are handled if you want to resell them. Labeling them correctly as FA products is one of them.
Normally yeah, that would be what would happen. But that's only effective if there's no credible threat. If FA supports FANA in blacklisting vendors? FANA could argue that when their product is being sold to people who know it is their product, at a lower cost that it damages their brand, and they don't accept that behavior. They can't (most likely) issue a C&D but they can certainly refuse to deal with the vendor in future.
I'm with you brother! We have the right to make our own decision about what we put in our body, especially when it concerns delicious fa milk and custard premium. From now on, I am only buying fa flavors from chefs.
I mean, if you don't want to sell the flavors, fine. Don't sell the flavors. But forcing vendors to stop carrying flavors that you won't sell them by swinging your "exclusive North American seller" dick around, for no good reason other than you can, apparently? FUCK YOU.
> swinging your "exclusive North American seller" dick
Is FA originally based in the U.S. or elsewhere? If elsewhere its only a matter of time, piss off enough customers, they'll roll the NA management right out the door.
I believe they have a parent company in Italy and branches in North America and Europe. I don't know how long it will take before Italy replaces NA management, if they even care enough to, but maybe it's only a matter of time since FANA is apparently run by a man that seems to have a small boy operating his movements and speech and in my opinion loves the intimate company of a middle aged Asian man almost every hour of the day and also sounds a lot like Dr. Evil.
THIS IS PURELY SPECULATION AND IS IN NO WAY LIBEL OR SLANDER
Was it ordered down from the Italy division of Flavour Art? I mean if that's FA for you, there you go. Do we need to voice our opinions to the people in charge of this guy from across the ocean?
This is silly. FlavorArt was a food flavor manufacturer, before ejuice flavor manufacturer, and they still predominantly are. There's no good reason to stop selling a roduct because some customers dont use it for its intended purpose.
It seems like an ass-covering strategy. All they really needed to do was put in bold red letters "These flavors are NOT recommended for mixing e-juice", and it would the same net affect, without the problem of depriving ejuice makers of their product.
#BREAKING NEWS
Just got word from a reliable source that alltheflavors.com, the site that /u/ID10-T originally shared the recipe on, received threats of legal action if the recipe wasn't taken down.
That is true, but just for the record, it's currently down voluntarily because of the threats of legal action against ATF. It's not censorship by ATF.
I wonder if they'll sue reddit if this post isn't taken down. I hope so.
Reliable source here - It never really got to a "threat" stage; Sean was civil and ok, and apologized for being "that guy" but also made it clear he'd defend himself if felt he had to, and that would probably involve going through me.
Defend himself from what? My recipe? LOL.
How? With lawyers.
Thanks for the update! When you buy direct from FA Italy what kind of shipping time/cost does it incur?
I'm about to find out! There's also a site in the UK that carries some of these flavors, and shipping might be cheaper and faster from there.
Not sure if FA different from other manufacturers but I’ve found that unfortunately ordering directly cost a considerable amount more...uugh.
I want my diketones damn it! To be honest I've never tried FA Milk or Custard Premium, and the worst part is now I want to buy them. Damn you FA!
I swear to christ it feels like this sub is full of 40,000 Honey Boo Boos.
Such a angry boy you are.
I love FA Milk and it kinda sucks a bag of dicks that I have to spend a whole BullCity order's price on just one flavor now.
Maybe I'll cherish it like INW Milk Chocolate.
That’s why I’m asking Chef’s to carry it and just ordering ALL my FA flavors from Chef’s from now on. The shipping is quite reasonable. BCF can still have most of my other business but I’m not helping them support FANA anymore
Man, that Facebook post blew up. Kind of insane but there is always a way
I have a question. How does TFA-Butter stack up to FA-Butter? Because I've only tried TFA and it's pretty darn good.
FA Butter is diacetyl in a bottle basically and it’s godlike. I love TFA Butter though and if you like it too, you can probably live without FA
But we all know the real gem is FA Bread Crust. Ain't nobody got them in that game.
I'm in Ireland and it took around 5-6 weeks weeks to get FA Pandoro from Flavor Art Italy. Don't know how long it would take for the U.S. though.
Why wouldn't you order from FlavourArt UK? I'd imagine the shipping time is a couple of days and they even have more flavors.
Really? I think I could only get FA Pandoro from their Italian website at the time.
I just came back after double-checking to ask you why you didn't order it from Chef's: https://www.chefsflavours.co.uk/flavourart-concentrates/6144-pandoro.html
They also have the Custard Premium, but no Milk, sadly.
Why the Acetyl Pyrazine??? Release the off ones! Can i sub FA almond with (OOO) Parmesan Cheese?
Man. Dirty Projector really has a grudge against all of us.
Bathtub Mixers. Against all of us bathtub Mixers.
Fuck him