Howdy Mixers! Hope you drunk bastards are ready to drown in green beer on St. Patrick's Day and then repent of your debauchery on Easter, as is tradition.
Here go again. /u/Impecunious_Sloth is the MVP of the February Challenge and will be contacted about a small token of appreciation.
The purpose behind this monthly clone challenge is to gather the community behind an effort to clone just one juice.
The subject of this month's challenge is Cush Man by Nasty Juice, which was requested by /u/fackyuu
Nasty Juice, in some copy that appears to have been run through a less intelligent translator than Google's, says, "You’ll never find this one of the best fruity-taste of this mango flavoured e-juice. The authentic taste with a pleasant aroma will boost your appetite. This is one of the must try flavour recommended by our regular and reliable customer. Don’t miss it!"
Useless gibberish.
/u/fackyuu writes, "A fantastic mango flavor juice. I've tried about 4 different mango flavorings and they all have some type of harsh/dry quality that grosses me out, even the ones that taste good have a tinge of this harsh quality. Would love a straight mango ejuice recipe that is killer for 99% of people, I've never met someone who vaped Cush Man and didn't think it tasted great (although some people don't like an ADV mango)"
His request was seconded by /u/Manishd3, who says, "Cush man is hands down my favourite ever e liquid and I'd love to be able to make something close enough in taste!"
And thirded by /u/mohkha -
"I'm looking for the same! Come on peeps. I've got the following mangos:
Cap sweet mango
Cap orange mango
Inw mango
Inw shisha mango
TPA mango
TPA Philippine mango
FA Costarica Mango
FLV mango
Wrecka sexy mango
Solubarome Mango
Just can't get the combination right. Any suggestions from a more experienced mixer much appreciated... I'm almost certain Cushman has got sexy mango. inw shisha mango and cap sweet mango. But don't know where to go from there."
It's worth noting that Cushman has been described by re-sellers as having "A splash of menthol" but some mixers have suggested that it's not actually menthol, nor just a splash, but instead a healthy dose of WS-23.
I love mango. I won't be ruining any mango with menthol, but I also love WS-23 and summer is coming up before we know it. I need a chilled mango MDV (most of the day) vape. I'll participate in this challenge in one way or another. I'm not making progress on my clone attempt that started a year ago anyway (Blue Dot's Milk of the Poppy, if you're curious), might as well start another one! Logic! I just ordered some Cush Man by Nasty Juice. I hope it's not nasty, but if it is, they can't say they didn't warn me.
A reminder from the previous clone challenge posts: You are perfectly welcome to completely ignore the cloning aspect of this challenge and just consider the juice description as a prompt to create a recipe all your own with that profile. In this case, that would be an authentic ripe mango with a "splash" of coolant.
Please respond with recipes for Cush Man, ideas about how to start an attempt to clone that flavor, your own delicious mango recipe, general thoughts about having a monthly clone challenge, hate mail, love letters, lewd artwork, dirty limericks (if you're holding back a dirty limerick, now is the time, please share), comments, questions, concerns, anything remotely on topic. Thank you. Love you all.
Mango is great though perhaps a bit funny
I bet a touch of lime’d make that shit money
But if you’re a man
Cup your balls in your hand
And dump in that TPA Honey!
>Please respond with recipes for Cush Man.....[yadda yadda yadda] ...dirty limericks (if you're holding back a dirty limerick, now is the time, please share), comments, questions, concerns, anything remotely on topic. Thank you. Love you all.
To clone the Cush Man by Nasty
you'd better not use any 'baccy.
A lovely mango they say
and lest I lead you astray
some cooling might make it more flashy.
Sadly, my rhyme is not dirty
I wrote in too much of a hurry.
I'll try to do better,
as a lurid go getter
'cuz this one is not even flirty.
I've never tried a mango flavor but I have FLV Mango in my cart right now. After reading the flavor reviews here it sounded like it's the only one that might be a decent and realistic solo shake & vape.
Health Cabin Malaysia Mango has a little bit of that cooling. I have been messing around with it at 2% with FLV Mango at 1% for a recipe I’ve been kicking around for a while. I’m not a cool vape kind of guy, but the cooling is pretty non-offensive to me.
What the hell. You have 1000 tobacco flavors and like five fruits, and one of those fruits is such an obscure mango that I don't even have it. And I have about 12 obscure mangos. This is nuts.
Your flair should be obscure mango
I received Cush Man and tried it today. Here's what I can tell you:
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Sexy Mango! 100% guaranteed. That Wrecka or Reka Sexy Mango is definitely the star of this show. It's very distinctive/unmistakable. Probably at least 4% of it here based on my tests of that flavor.
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Other mangos/other fruits. There's more going on in here than just Sexy Mango, but not a lot more. I would not be shocked to learn that the other half of it it just Wrecka Sparkling Mango. I've never tried Wrecka Sparking Mango, but I wouldn't be surprised. However, there could also very easily be INW Shisha Mango in there. It tastes to me like there's Shisha Mango in here, but without knowing how similar Sparkling Mango and INW Shisha Mango are yet, I can't be sure. Could easily be both, but I think Sparkling is more likely because of a green peel note that I don't recognize in other flavors.
Also wouldn't be surprised to find CAP Sweet Mango providing some of the pulpy overripe body, FA Mango contributing to the piney peel note, or TFA Mango making it all a little earthier. It definitely doesn't taste like INW Mango or HS Mango or any of the other mangoes I'm familiar with might be in there. FLV Mango is right out, if you were thinking it might be in there, stop. Just stop. I doubt it's any more complicated that three or four mangoes mixed together, but if there's some other fruit in here, it might be some TFA or other Jackfruit, a teensy bit of banana, or some kind of peach, but nothing I recognize.
Just based on the taste of Sexy Mango and the descriptions of Sparkling Mango, I would start trying to copy this by mixing together 5% Sexy Mango and 5% Sparkling Mango and seeing if that's anywhere remotely in the ballpark. Maybe Sexy Mango 5% + Sparkling Mango 5% and also Sexy Mango 5% + INW Shisha Mango 2.5% side by side and see which one is closer.
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Holy Sucralose, Batman! I know Sexy Mango comes pre-sweetened, but this tastes like more sweetener than just that can account for. But there's also apparently sweetener preloaded in the Sparkling Mango, and more of it than is in Sexy Mango, so that might account for all this sweetener. It tastes like between 1 and 2% CAP Super Sweet.
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Coolant, same situation. Sexy Mango has a little WS-23 type coolant, but this tastes like more than just that can account for. Sparkling mango apparently does too, and more of it, so it could just be those two things combined giving it all this coolant. But it tastes like more than 0.75% and less than 1.5% WS-23 (30% Dilution).
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I don't like this juice very much. I know a lot of people do, but I just don't. It's too much sweetener and it tastes like a combination of a way too ripe mango and a not quite ripe mango and the combination doesn't somehow come together to create a perfectly ripe mango. It just comes together to taste weird to me. Just like we can't control who we're attracted to, I just don't think Sexy Mango is that sexy. I don't want to buy more of it and vape the amount of it I would have to vape to try and clone this. I hope this helped?
Huge thanks to you. This helps a tonne. Definately agree with all your notesm. shisha mango is very likely and the amount of sweetener is definitely at least 2%. I made a mix last night. 6% sexy mango. 4% sparkling Mango. 1% shisha mango. 0.5% ws23. 2% sweetener. Will give it a go tomorrow. Im feeling confident of nailing this down. Or getting as close as I can very soon!
The concentrations might be off but if I had to guess, those are probably the right ingredients right there.
/u/mohkha - it tastes to me like your clone attempt must have been very close.
/u/flashinthep - I get the green thing in this that makes me think it's Sparkling Mango just based on your description
Guess I bought the wrong reka mango :( it's fucking horrible and there's no covering it up. I think INW cactus in my first mix made it ever so nicer after a 2 week steep... I'd have posted that here because I was going for rubisun, a very similar product as it turns out! But I forgot one of the ingredients before I wrote it down
/u/fackyuu /u/Manishd3
I tried it. I sincerely hope this helps.
Wow, it certainly does! I missed this post last week and I'm pretty surprised by it. Funny that by the time I read through it and arrived here at your breakdown, I was already thinking to myself "he's going to freak out about how sweet this juice is" haha. Yeah I think it's very overly sweet, it's really annoying when it gets the driptip and you taste it.
The way you describe it as a way too ripe mango and a not quite ripe mango is exactly what I like so much. Although I have to say I've enjoyed basically all the other Malaysian mango juices I've bought too, it's just my diy mango flavoring experience has been underwhelming. Now I know exactly where to look to get some better mangos and maybe I can use my Cap Sweet Mango for something, although stand a lone it was terrible. I did find that adding FA peach to TFA Philipine mango made it feel a lot more juicy and kind of vapable.
I imagine this just isn't the flavor for you like you mentioned but I might suggest adding a hefty dose of additional WS-23 in there. Although it takes some getting used to the cold, building a small tolerance, I think fruit flavors can pop more from this. It's hard for me to say exactly how much more I'd suggest (I just drip it in until it feels right) but I know Nasty Juice doesnt make their stuff very cold to begin so I'd put another 1.5% in no problem. The first few hits might be shockingly cold, or give you a brain freeze if you take a few hits too fast.
But it's something that you might get hooked on especially when it's really hot outside (like here in Vietnam). It's worth noting that there a lot of juice companies from Malaysia use a large amount of WS-23 like this, with Nasty Juice's level being relatively low compared, so even tho it sounds crazy that you could get a brain freeze from vaping, a lot of people are vaping this way. (the brain freeze potential goes away after the first hour or so I think, it's been a while for me, and I guess is just a normal reaction caused by the rapid change of the skin's temperature inside your mouth/throat)
Wow wow wow. Thank you so much, and /u/mohkha, /u/fackyuu, for such a detailed recipe breakdown!
You've totally made my weekend and will get started with ordering the Reka concentrates and go from there. I think I'll try a combination of 1:1 at 5% each to get a taste of what I notice from Sparkling and Sexy and then go from there in terms of tweaking. I think I'll end up going mohkha's way and bump up the sexy a bit and tone down the sparkling.
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the flavour of Cush man too much. The only other mango flavour I've tried is cloud niners, also a Malaysian juice - and that was too sweet, too artificial and too cold for my liking. For me Cush man nails the taste of a juicy (there's so much juicy mouthfell to Cush man IMO) ripe alphonso pulp. I do agree that it's a bit too sweet and personally I could do without any cooling - but I'll put up with that for the juicy mango goodness!
Also thanks for tagging me in this post, I would have completey missed it otherwise!
The closest I've got is:
5% Wrekka Sparkling Mango 5% Wrekka Sexy Mango 3% Cap Sweet Mango 1% INW Shisha Mango 0.5% super sweet 0.5% ws23
I still there's alot of work that needs to be done
Can you describe what’s off about that?
It was a little too ripe, not enough mango flesh and freshness. Don't know if that makes any sense! I gave up eventually.
I'm guessing this is very similar to VGOD's MANGO MIST. (Co-worker offered to let me try it) Kind of like eating a frozen mango slice with a few ice crumbles attached. Definitely need Cap Sweet Mango and WS-23 as I did not taste anything minty.
Frozen mango slices with a few ice crumbles attached are little slices of heaven.
Agree. Sweet mango and ws23 for sure. I'm almost certain there's also Wrekka mango in it. I think Wrekka is also a malaysian brand so makes sense.
Is mango the only fruit note present? Im not gonna shell out the $20 to purchase it, but i would be interested in chasing the profile
Ok so i got my hands on some more cushman and to me it smells exactly like Alphonso Mango Pulp which you get in the tins.
Similar to this. https://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/East-End-Mango-Pulp-Alphonso-Sweet/56949011
I think they are using Wreka Sexy mango and there must be some CAP Sweet Mango but apart from that, I've got no idea. It seems to be more complex than I initially thought. I'm completely lost as to how they're getting the sweet pulp. There also seems to be a tonne of sweetner in there.
Hey guys, I have an update. I know it's been a while since anyone has been active in this thread, but I have received Malaysian mango by health cabin and I am, say, 80% sure it is used in Cush man. It is a super bright and juicy mango juice/nectar.
Wwre you able to create a recipe after all?
Not a 1:1 clone. I have a bunch of different close ones steeping I need to sit down and compare next to the new bottle I just got. Once I do I'll pick out the closest and try to go from there.
However, I doubt we will be able to make an exact clone for now. I found out that at vapejam UK Reka showed off two other mangos, Ripe Mango and Alfonso Mango, that they have. However as of yet they aren't released to the public or retailers. I'm pretty sure ripe mango is used in Cushman, not sure about Alfonso. It's possible they were commissioned specifically for Nasty Juice. If that is the case, it makes sense there would be a time period where they agree not to release it to public retailers.
I'm going about trying to get my hands on them, but unfortunately when buying straight from Reka they have a 5 litre minimum for each concentrate, and a 25 litre total for the order. Im in contact with someone who has a bit left over from VapeJam, and we were discussing trying to get a group of people to all contribute to an order