Just going to leave this here. https://i.imgur.com/tTmTn4f.png
VGOD is apparently threatening to take legal action against e-liquid-recipes.com over some recipes that are clearly labeled as CLONE. People might want to give them a piece of their mind.
Edit: VGOD have responded and asked their attorneys to lay off. Thanks everyone for barking up their tree. https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/814l27/official_response_from_vgod_and_diy_ejuice
VGAWD, VNOTGOD, ohVmyGOD, VDOG, DOGV or even VG0D... all plausible non-panties-in-a-bunch alternatives. I really like this one recipe for being super accurate:
- 10.00% Cloud Bros
- 10.00% Instagram Likes
- 10.00% Marketing
- 20.00% Sucralose
Except... it needs a pinch of lawyers to add saltiness and make the mix perfect.
I tried 1 drop/10mL of Lawyers but it was way too salty and there was a distinct aftertaste of sewage.
You're missing a crucial ingredient: 1tsp/liter of burned bank notes ash coming from useless trademark infringement cases (this is important, you can't just burn ordinary cash and expect the same taste!) ;P
On a slightly more serious sidenote I'm wondering whether these folks ever heard of the Streisand effect or even realize that the evil internet never forgets anything...
post the recipes fuck them
Honestly I agree, but the guy that runs e-l-r has a family and a life and he doesn't make any real money from the site. I doubt he is willing to finance a protracted legal battle on his own dime.
He's probably got a swear filter on the site. He just has to add VGOD and change it to ****. And then let vendors connected to VGOD complain about it to VGOD. Shame their reviews won't be connected to them either, but them's the breaks.
Pretty simple, change the recipe names. I personally haven't mixed any of these clones for VGod because honestly none of their juices are good enough to warrant a clone.
most if not all of the people using diy Ejuice recipes know that this is a clone and in no way from the company being cloned. And most of those people aren't buying commercial juice anyway unless they are cloning it.
One easy solution would be to temporarily remove the "offending" recipes until the authors could change them to leave out that exact string of characters.
I understand failure to protect a trademark is the same as abandonment. However these are knockoffs. Is there some law against replicating a recipe? Or is it simply because it says VGOD? Seems kind of frivolous, or just to get some drama started so everyone talks about VGOD.
> is it simply because it says VGOD
That's it. From the PDF:
> the supply of goods or services under the VGOD mark is likely to confuse the public and make them believe your business is in some way connected with or endorsed by VGOD. Such confusion may be damaging to VGOD’s business and we ask that you immedietly remove these pages from your website both now and in the future
Well at this point, it can be argued that the product you're offering isn't the recipes themselves, but storage and a calculator for your own recipes.
Aren't they infringing trademark when they copy and claim their RDAs and RDTAs have VELOCITY style deck/posts on their site? Also there's nothing original on their products as well, they are mere ripoffs of other manufacturers.
If my knowledge of the subject generally and in regards to brewing is applicable, recipes can't actually be protected. There would have to be so much red tape involved it would be insane. Say one company's juice (or beer, or soda) turns out to only be a couple of obvious ingredients, and another company independently comes up with that recipe, what then? They'd be infringing without knowing it, and would they really be liable?
Also this is why Coke keeps their "formula" such a big secret and everything. If they could just letigously go after anyone using the recipe, it would be public.
You're talking copyright of recipes, they're claiming trademark infringement - basically they're saying the name "VGOD" can't be used...
You can patent a recipe.
Patents expire.
There's a reason CocaCola trademarked the shape of their bottle... trademarks never die. Patents, process patents, copyright... eventually anything not protected by a trademark becomes public domain. This is (allegedly) why pharmaceutical companies charge so much for medicine... they have a limited number of years to have a monopoly on the supply, and then generic drugs are allowed to compete.
I'm not sure how helpful it is for a brand to be talked about if the general conversation is about "Don't buy BRAND"
If anyone seeing this wants to support someone who actually values the community, going so far as encouraging and helping people who clone his recipes, I can't recommend /u/prettymatthew's Charlie Noble juices enough. Really a great guy ~~for the DIY community.~~
Agree. Just the idea that they give the recipes of juices they retire from production freely to the community is so far removed from this petty VGOD greed. People should strive to be as stand up as /u/prettymatthew and other people we are blessed with, like /u/mooch315.
I'm late to the party but I encourage everyone to contact these specimens (vgod) and let them know how the vaping community feels about this.
Giving them a piece of my mind in another tab...
This should be a good counter-argument.... if the useless fucktards aren't trying to stop someone who's clearly selling items with their name attached (all the clone gear) then obviously they're just trying to bully a minor player rather than truly defending their trademark. (note: if they've initiated legal action against fasttech, this argument fails.)
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Not sure why you all have your undies in a bunch over this. They do not want their brand name associated with juice that they do not produce and sell. I would never buy their products, but I do not see a problem with a company trying to limit use of their own brand name.
Their C&D even covered threads on the guy's forum where legitimate vendors were advertising their products for sale.
Every recipe posted was marked clone or remix or something to that effect, it doesn't dilute their brand.
The site owner doesn't name all these recipes, and the recipes themselves cannot be protected as IP.
The site owner is responsible for what is posted on his site I would guess. I do not really know the applicable trademark law or whatever in this particular instance. But when you are selling juice, and someone includes your brand name in a juice recipe, that would seem to be a pretty cut and dry case of trademark infringement.
To be clear, VGOD is a manufacturer. The vendors are selling VGOD's products, including their juice, and the vendors are posting ads on the forum. This doesn't dilute their brand, because it is their brand being sold. No one is selling clones of the swill they call ejuice.
> I do not really know the applicable trademark law or whatever in this particular instance. But...
- Saying "But" is just a glorified way, in this instance, of blowing off the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.
- Being as you have self-admitted to not knowing what you're talking about, why're you still talking?