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FAQ Friday: Shake and Vape
submitted over 7 years ago by ApexifiedSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

“Good as a shake and vape but it gets better…”

You’ll see this a lot. Sure it’s good to go right off, but it definitely doesn’t hurt to wait 24 hours or 2 weeks, even. Very few recipes aren’t better after they have a chance to age and homogenize. There’s a short list of flavors that disappear with a “steep” and a much longer list of flavors that need time to develop or let go of their off-notes.

It’s frustrating to mix something up and start vaping it only to find yourself steeped in bliss as the last 2ml reaches its full potential. And then it’s back to the lab to mix a bigger bottle and this time you’ll definitely wait. Or will you?

 

“The secret of patience is to do something else in the meantime”

In most cases the best results will require some patience but… ain’t nobody got time for that. So here are some shake and vape recipes to get by with while you wait for your custards, bakeries and tobaccos to steep.

 

The Classics

Best? Maybe not. But they are classic for a reason.

More Recent

You’ll see a trend in the profiles. This is a curtailed & curated list because anything else would require an entire website…

What are some key components to a vapeable Shake and Vape recipe?

  • Fruits are typically recommended because, without getting too deep, they are top notes with light volatiles that tend to homogenize quickly.

  • A higher PG ratio will lend itself to a quicker mix in the sense that it’s somewhat easier to shake (due to viscosity) and PG is a better flavor carrier. 60/40 VG/PG is IMO the ideal S&V ratio.

  • Simplicity or K.I.S.S. because the less you have going on in any mix, the less chance you have of screwing it up by overloading on flavors that contain things like ethyl maltol or overlapping volatiles that will cause muting.

  • And finally; lower your expectations because in my experience there’s no mix that is as good immediately after a shake as it is when given time to ‘steep’

     

Single Flavors

These are strong independent flavors that don’t need no mix to get by...

  • FA Fuji 3-4%

  • FA Forest Fruit 5%

  • LA Lemonade 4-6%

  • LA Watermelon 4-6%

  • LA Banana Cream 5%

  • TFA Banana Foster 6%

  • FLV Pink Guava (5% according to /u/Botboy141)

  • Capella Vanilla Custard (see also: Simple Sugar Cookie by ID10-T)

  • INW Eucalyptus & Mint <1%

  • D&B: Dandelion & Burdock (8-10% according to /u/ConcreteRiver)

  • FW Jungle Juice 10%

  • FLV Blueberry Muffin 4%

  • OSDIY Blue Raspberry Slush 10%

  • JF Honey Peach 2-3%

And so very many more. As I was writing this out I realized the list could run on forever so the TL;DR is Mostly fruits, single flavor test everything (you never know until you try).

 

Honorable Mentions (Short Steepers)

Kiwi Bourbon by /u/Coop34

Custard Now by /u/EdibleMalfunction

Sadlad Toast Crunch by /u/RageIsAlotOfWork

1-2-3 Pistachio Lime by /u/ID10-T

1-2-3 Cinapple Side Dish /u/ID10-T

Somnambulist by LocoMojo

A Better Mango Boba by /u/SkiddlzNinja

 

Anyone who’s seen threads asking for Shake and Vape recipes knows that the answers are either repeated like a meme or someone sharing their latest creation. There is no definitive answer, no absolute list, and subjectivity divides us all, etc. But please, do share your favorite shake and vape and/or short steepers in the comments because I’ve certainly missed some good ones. My goal with this and future FAQ Friday posts is just to provide a more complete answer to these kinds of questions than you'd get with a search or a post to the weekly questions thread. Hopefully I've accomplished that.

RIP /r/ShakeAndVape

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8 points
 
by UniqueFlavorsover 7 years ago

Thank you for these FAQs I actually read them and enjoy them.

5 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

You're very welcome. I'll keep 'em coming until I run out of ideas or people stop finding them useful ;)

6 points
 
by Vurveover 7 years agoVurve with the Swurve

I approve of FAQ Friday :D

5 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Well the name is definitely an homage to Modest Monday

I remember joking with you back then that I was going to do a competing post and call it Flamboyant Friday. Close enough ;)

2 points
 
by sensfan5555over 7 years ago

How about a day of the week dedicated to random 3-4 flavour recipes? I know it's annoying to hear beginners constantly ask for this, but as a long time mixer, I've been leaning more and more towards simple ones lately, with a lot of the new flavours being so complex. Would be nice to see some more recent simple ones in an aggregated area.

I also find it much easier to browse through numerous recipes on here at once, siphoning to find ones Im intrigued by/have all the flavours for.

Maybe I'm lazy, but I just get tired of searching random recipes when ratings don't really represent the good ones.

I think a lot of people might not post a simple recipe to ATF/ELR, but maybe they'll throw it into a weekly thread?

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by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

I can tell you it's definitely a topic that will be covered. As for an official weekly thread, I don't have the authority to implement such a thing but I can imagine it might generate some interesting recipes to try and possibly good discussion on simple pairings that work well as bases to build from.

5 points
 
by HocusKrokusover 7 years agoHis Bearded Holiness

A lot of mixers will tell you that shake and vapes are kind of a myth. And they -kinda- are. But not really, depending on your preferences. A few of my favorite SNV flavors to work with that aren't on the list are:

FA Oba Oba: This flavor is like the additive bandaid. You can use it to tame weird perfumey fruits, or add body to thin ones. Or both. Or in place of a longer steeping marshmallow. Adds a nice density, and doesn't need more than an overnight/2days to come around in simple blends. .5-2.5%

FW Kiwi: Not a true to form kiwi flavor, and I get almost more melon out of it than Kiwi, but it can add a nice juicy background that's pretty sweet and can take the place of traditional sweetener, taken higher in the % it takes on a borderline melon bubblegum quality that's pretty alright. 3-8%

FLV Wild Melon: This shit is just good. A melon blend that's stellar solo, and fresh mixed. .5% to 3%

FA Pear: Pretty decent standalone, and great fresh. And a perfect pairing for my next favorite. 1-3%

FA Raspberry. 90% of the time when I need something to vape quick, it's FA Pear+FA Raspberry, equal parts around 1.5% with a TPA Honeysuckle, Oba Oba, or both. Standalone 2-3%

Here's a few bonus recipes, just for funsies.

These are all pretty simple profiles, and good after an overnight at most or just freshly mixed. Happy mixing, you crazy fuckers! Edit: Idk why my links are fucked up like that. Formatting line looks correct :/

2 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

I remember being so confused when single flavor testing Oba Oba, trying to figure out what it was trying to be. It took me way too long to figure out how useful it can be in mixes. It's got some strange magic going on with it.

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by HocusKrokusover 7 years agoHis Bearded Holiness

It's easily my favorite quick cheat code to smooth out a recipe, add a little body, and just over all round stuff out.

1 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

I vaguely recall people "back in the day" touting it as a great tobacco additive but I wasn't really mixing tobaccos much back then. You're much more well versed in tobacco than I; what's it do to tobaccos?

1 points
 
by tmflambert86over 7 years ago

Hello everyone,, I have a bottle of 6mg nicotine, it says 30mll ... 6mg nic/1 ml... how many drops do i need in a 60 mil mix of diy ejuiie too get a nicotine stregth of 4-6mg iin my juice. thank you

3 points
 
by justjohn77over 7 years agoMixologist

Thank you for this. :)

3 points
 
by wh1skeyk1ngover 7 years agoThanks for reading this flair

While we are talking about SnV/short steep recipes, I feel that TFA Peanut Butter needs to be on the SnV list. It's really amazing and the most accurate I've come across in the peanut butter vape department. Problem is, it doesn't steep worth a shit. It dries out everything and kind of muddles any fruits you put with it within 2 weeks. I'm curious as to whether anyone has had luck with TFA Peanut Butter past a couple weeks. Is there a magic ingredient to keep it from becoming hollow and dry/bullying fruits out of the mix after a steep?

3 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

/r/GooberGrapeVape has been struggling with this for a year. I think an absurdly high percentage of TFA Marshmallow was the last somewhat effective attempt at making the PB less dry but I don't think it solved the issues with pairing. It's sad, though, because you're right about it being great from the start!

2 points
 
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by wh1skeyk1ngover 7 years agoThanks for reading this flair

Without that quest, I probably wouldn't have dissected TFA Peanut Butter to the extent I have. I doubt there's a single flavor I know better than that one.

I just wish someone would release a softer, moister "Juicy Peanut Butter" or something, as I've accepted the fact that there's no taming that beast after about 2-3 weeks.

3 points
 
by HocusKrokusover 7 years agoHis Bearded Holiness

I'm still hashing out the balance, but FLV Lovage can do some neat things with inherently dry awkward flavors.

1 points
 
by Redz0neover 7 years ago

Even if you just add a bit of a cookie or chocolate hint to it/

Or is it just competing/crowding out the fruity flavours?

3 points
 
by sensfan5555over 7 years ago

I like to add a bit of cheesecake to all my peanut butters. The dryness does come, but it's more tolerable IMO

2 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Which cheesecake?

1 points
 
by sensfan5555over 7 years ago

I'll use cap NY around 1%, or tpa (graham crust) around 2%. If you go too high, the cheesecake shines a bit too much and it's more of a burnt peanut cheesecake, which is gross lol. Just gotta find your sweet spot and it'll add richness and a "fake" moistness.

I'm sure other cheesecakes might do well, but I got a couple big bottles of those two, and never felt the need to try others.

1 points
 
by tweetchi11over 7 years ago

I still can taste peanut butter after a month frm Charlie Nobbles recipe.

1 points
 
by wh1skeyk1ngover 7 years agoThanks for reading this flair

Right, but the Charlie Noble recipe doesn't have any fruit to mute after a steep.

3 points
 
by Widner7over 7 years ago

% missing on FA forest fruit!

3 points
 
by Widner7over 7 years ago

Also a couple recipes don't have working links BUT AWESOME READ MAN!

2 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Is that on mobile? I haven't checked mobile but everything on the desktop seems in working order.

2 points
 
by Widner7over 7 years ago

Yes, I'm on mobile.... sadly don't have a PC lol

1 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Nice catch. That one seems to have a pretty wide range, actually. I've seen it used at 10-15% or as low as 1-2% as a single flavor. I prefer it at 5% but I think I got hung up looking for a consensus and forgot to get back to it.

3 points
 
by thelateoctoberover 7 years ago

Thought I'd mention that some of the FLV tobaccos are really good out of the gate. I haven't tried all of them s&v, but red burley, cured, and connecticut shade are all good fresh.

2 points
 
by nuuvem_tokenover 7 years ago

There are always exceptions but that is surprising to learn. Thanks!

3 points
 
by Redz0neover 7 years ago

>It’s frustrating to mix something up and start vaping it only to find yourself steeped in bliss as the last 2ml reaches its full potential.

Yes, yes it is. I had this happen with a test creamy-lemon blend. Don't laugh, cream and lemon work wonderfully together... And you can't really make this with real cream and real lemon... Well, not without being a culinary alchemist.

The shake-n-vape was nice... It had enough of that bright lemony punch and the cream was there, though muted... So, I kept vaping it because it wasn't "super awesome" but more "it's aight."

When I got to the last few drops that I forgot and left on the shelf for too long... It... Was... (almost) Perfect (Thankfully I wrote down the ratios. Though I have to tweak it. I think I used the wrong lemon. It had a rind/leafy hint to it that never really went away and I wanted that "just lemon" punch like from a lemon meringue pie.

I like thread. This is... A nice thread.

4 points
 
by lNTERLINKEDover 7 years agoI did not ask for this flair.

The trick to getting real cream and lemon to work is to add the lemon juice slowly, at a low temperature. Also, zest adds great lemon flavour, while adding no risk of curdling.

On a related note, curdling dairy can produce an amazing effect of clarifying milk, but keeping it's dairy flavour. It's used in one of my favourite cockatils, Clarified milk punch. It's really an amazing drink, and the process is really interesting.

If you have the time and inclination to experiment with it, I'd highly recommend it.

3 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Happens all the time. It really highlights the importance of taking notes while trying your recipe at multiple stages of development in order to perfect it. Have you posted it here? People like /u/ID10-T will come along with an almost magical suggestion for fixing whatever isn't working.

2 points
 
by patg55over 7 years ago

This is really helpful. Thank you. Vurve's Cookies and Milk is an excellent S& V too. It sorts you out when you want that quick cookie fix.

2 points
 
by Good1sR_Takenover 7 years ago

TIL there is a rice flavored concentrate

3 points
 
by madiranjagover 7 years ago

I like to mix it with TFA cucumber, FA soy sauce and INW salmon

3 points
 
by juthincover 7 years agoOne of "The Damned"

What, no wasabi?

2 points
 
by Good1sR_Takenover 7 years ago

That actually sounds really good. Might have to give it a go. Cheers ✌️

2 points
 
by [deleted]over 7 years ago

What about the DM Rice? I see it in the flavor reviews.

2 points
 
by Good1sR_Takenover 7 years ago

Never noticed that one. I'm in Australia so our brands are a bit limited. Hadn't heard of DM until this comment.

2 points
 
by mrlutherover 7 years ago

As an inept mixer....this info helps ease my stress. Thank you!

2 points
 
by mywifehasbigtitsover 7 years ago

I try to shake n vape all my recipes just to see how they mellow out and change over time. It usually just reaffirms the need to steep a respectable while.

Recently I had my first successful shake n vape mix though: TFA Juicy Peach (6%) and TFA Whipped Cream (4%). Vape-able after a day of rest, though it also definitely improves with steeping.

2 points
 
by surfer_ryanover 7 years ago

To add to this. If you know you like your recipe make a shit load of it. Typically when I make a recipe, I make at least 200mls at a time.

That way because I know I'm impatient I will be able to enjoy that two week steep.

Shit if I even think it will be a half decent mix I'll make a bunch too. This costs us like what $3 per 100ML when it's all said and done. Why not.

2 points
 
by BlazeDemBeatzover 7 years agoMentholatier

Nice post. I agree that a shake and vape should truely still be given at least 24 hours, the difference in that small time is huge. And only really shake and Vaped under desperate circumstances.

Even some of the infamous shake and vape recipes like Nana Cream that are great as a SnV will be amazing and turn that satisfying yellow color to let you know it's been steeped properly.

I'm definitely not against it but I personally never shake and vape. I find the real solution is to just keep enough eliquid mixed to not have the need to vape anything mixed recently. Calculate how much eliquid you'll vape in a month, and keep at least that much mixed up.

For me, it's about 12 60ml bottles a month (I actually keep alot more than this in my cupboard maybe 3 month supply) That shouldn't take very much time, so spending an hour a week, or something like that is all it really takes to keep a supply of steeped eliquid constantly.

2 points
 
by fackyuuover 7 years ago

Not a recipe but if you MTL or like tobacco-ish vapes, FA Soho and DIYFS Holy Grail are great shake and vape.

1 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Thanks for reminding me. I've been meaning to pick up Holy Grail for awhile so I can finally try Fear's Cardinal and, of course, ID10-T's Raven that was inspired by it.

2 points
 
by beercruiserover 7 years ago

Great post.

Thought I would post this again as while I think it would be hilarious for someone to steep juice in, I also think it would actually work very well unless you get very desperate and destroy the thing.

https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Safe-Locking-Container-Height/dp/B00JGFQTD2

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by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Luckily I have more of a problem forgetting about juice I've made than being impatient. That's kind of a hilarious solution but also pretty expensive, too ;)

1 points
 
by beercruiserover 7 years ago

Yeah it looks like the product might be fizzling out and the price has gone up.

2 points
 
by mlNikonover 7 years ago

Love these posts pex! Keep up the good work sir.

1 points
 
by Binsky89over 7 years ago

The problem I have isn't with the flavors, it's with the ingredients. It can take a solid 24h of shaking occasionally before the PG,VG, and Nicotine are fully mixed together. Sure, the flavor might be fine, but all the ingredients haven't really mixed.

Even unflavored really isn't a shake and vape for me.

1 points
 
by awegover 7 years ago

Cuprian is pretty immediately delicious, in my opinion, but in about 4-5 days it does get even better.

1 points
 
by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

I haven't tried that since it was revised. How does it compare to the original?

2 points
 
by awegover 7 years ago

I never tried the original, but so far it's my favorite among all juices I've tried, commercial or DIY. Just really hits the spot for me :-)

1 points
 
by ARflipgurlover 7 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Great post, thank you very much for putting this together. I searched for a list of flavors that fade quickly and this is the only one I found:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/7mx5gq/flavors_that_fade_over_an_extended_period_of_time

Anyone know if there are other posts like this?

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by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

I've seen that one and at least a few others but can't think of any that got enough traction to get a comprehensive list going. Might have to start putting one together for a future post.

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by ARflipgurlover 7 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

That would be great. I seem to remember my single flavor test of FA Orange fading quickly, but I'm not a supertaster by any stretch so I'll be curious if others think so.

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by Travdaman420over 7 years ago

I'm trying to find a simple 2-3 ingredient recipe to start with for my first order. I like fruits and creams and custards and berries. I've sorta narrowed it down to the mustard milk recipe you posted or a CAP vanilla custard v1 and CAP blueberry mix. Wondering which would provide the best sort of creamy vanilla taste? The cap custard or the tfa VBIC? Also would it be simple to switch out the strawberry in mustard milk for a blueberry flavour?

Edit; I should mention I have a diy supplier within driving distance so picking up different flavors at a later date isn't a big issue.

1 points
 
by jankystanksover 7 years ago

Thanks for this write up good sir! I'm a complete DIY noob, so this really helps. I've already mixed Ina Godda and will be mixing up backwoods lemonade today. I also ordered all of the ingredients for your revisited blue frost last night, as it sounds f'n delicious. Can't wait to try it. Much appreciated!

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by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

You're welcome! I hope you dig the blue stuff ;)

Also, if you haven't already, I'd definitely suggest following /u/mlNikon on ATF, she's a prolific mixer with well thought out recipes, all of which are worth checking out.

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by mlNikonover 7 years ago

Thanks for the mention!

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by BreakYaNeck99almost 3 years ago

sorry for the beginnerquestions:

  • what means steep (english isnt my first language)?
  • Im a beginner but mixing right now base, nicotine shots and longfill aroma/flavour (which is already mixxed). Is that also counted as DIY Juice, how im doing it?

I dont mix the flavour completely myself, every fruit for example. I just buy the bottle and thats it.

Thanks so much!

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by nuuvem_tokenover 7 years ago

>it definitely doesn’t hurt to wait 24 hours or 2 weeks, even.

Well that’s 100% not true. What got me into diy was wanting to try u/ID10-T’s Tamamango and if you wait that long then the juice is expired.

You have to shake and vape it. Lots of fruit ones fade quickly like that.

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by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

The sentence right after the one you quoted kinda covers that. There are always going to be exceptions.

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by nuuvem_tokenover 7 years ago

Huh? All it says is they “aren’t better.”

You’re still saying “it definitely doesn’t hurt” when it can fade completely within 24-48 hours.

It qualifies as hurt when you never even get to taste the recipe as intended.

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by Apexifiedover 7 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Very few aren't better means a few will be worse. So for those few it might hurt. Those are the exceptions. The statement still applies in general.

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