One thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet in other responses is that DIY ejuice is just different than commercial juice. Everything everyone has said is true. Add to all that info that it just takes a little period of adjustment to get used to diy juice. Make super-flavorful recipes at first and add sweetener if you must. Eventually your taste buds will adjust. Soon those recipes with 6% total flavoring and no sweetener will taste 1000 times better to you than anything you can get commercially.

Adding too much flavor can actually kill flavor. Especially flavors that contain a lot of EM. And yes, frequently the reason commercial juices taste stronger is the sweetener. Also, fruit flavors rarely need steeping, as they'll lose flavor while steeping. If you're making creams, custards, and/or tobaccos you need to steep. Candy and fruit are usually best off the shake, or a day or two later. Never got VG from BCF, so can't answer that part.

Finally, what's the VG ratio of what you make VS what you buy? Higher VG mixes will be a bit sweeter, but also require a little more power. Higher PG (or PG alternative) mixes will deliver more flavor.

Lastly: throw some WS-23 into your recipes, and you'll get a cooler vape at higher power...

Pick recipes you want to try and order the flavors you need for them. My first order was all kinda crazy stuff that sounded good, but I couldn't make much out of them! Also, when they say READ THE SIDEBAR!!!-it's true. Everything you need to get started is there. I still (after 4 months) read that stuff.

I can't think of any DIY tricks that I wish I'd known, but that's probably because I did a lot of reading before I mixed a single bottle. The best advice I've been given is to single-flavor test all of your flavors before using them, preferably at different concentrations to get a feel for their range.

Flavor reviews are awesome, but they're no substitute for personal experience. Use them to decide which flavors you want to test for yourself and a good estimate of what strengths you want to test them at, but not in lieu of testing them yourself.

Don't bother with measuring by volume. Get a scale.

Go slow. And nothing short of a miracle can save bad juice combos. Research. Not a hobby to get carried away on. Concentrates don’t taste like they’re labeled. Recommendations.

I’m still new btw.

Generally, buy a 10mL on your first go with a flavor. People's palettes vary greatly, and that flavor everyone is ranting about might not be something you want to have 30-120 mL of. Better to have wasted $2-3 rather than $8-23 just to realize you hate it.

I read about this and still got slightly burned thinking I was saving money buying bulk. Just get a 10mL!

Also, write down everything, even random substitutes/additions or quick mixes. Use dates.

Research flavors prior to buying them. I've got a few I'll probably never use.

To buy all 10ml bottles, then buy a larger bottle each time i finish one (buy a 30 the first time ,60 the second time, 120 the third time, etc)

Yes.

After about a week, week and a half, I had a mix turn coconut. Didn't use any coconut flavoring. It wasn't bad, tho.

And V2/DX flavors supposedly don't taste like straight vomit after a few months.

Absolutely. I doubted this as well, I mixed up Grack Juice and day 1 test it was kind of nasty, no koolada, day 5 it was soooo good. Cuprian has been my favorite juice so far, day 1 is good but after 5-6 days it is amazing.

• FA Liquid Amber and also some CAP Double Apple will help the FA Fuji.

• FA Pear will brighten up your TFA Pear. It also is great for adding wetness without the strangeness of INW Cactus.

• You will definitely want INW Shisha Strawberry. JF Sweet Strawberry also seems to be a hit among some mixers.

• INW Raspberry or FA Raspberry to help out your TFA Sweet Raspberry. These 2 flavors are quite different, maybe look into some reviews before deciding.

• Something like FLV Mango or FA Mandarin to help the FW Blood Orange. (orange is kind of a PITA flavor to work with)

• Other fruits worth getting IMO:

FA Blackcurrant

INW Grape

FW Blueberry

FA Bilberry (goes great w/ FW Blueberry, do not confuse it with INW Shisha Bilberry unless you like cough syrup)

FLV Pink Guava

FLV Boysenberry

CAP Harvest Berry

FA Kiwi

• FA Caramel tends to be the go to, but CAP Caramel v2 has it's uses too, and FA Butterscotch helps those flavors shine a bit more. I can't say much for CAP v1, but I've read it has some maple to it.

• FW Hazelnut is a very popular one, and it mixes relatively well with most flavors. Otherwise TFA Pistachio is interesting with a salty nuance but it doesn't go very well with fruits. FA Almond is a great one too, more texture than flavor to me, but it's a useful ingredient and it has it's place in recipes.

• Let's see, since you're allowed to maybe splurge a bit and might need a couple more things to get free shipping, here are some things worth considering:

FLV Rich Cinnamon

FA Coconut

CAP Cake Batter

CAP Vanilla Cupcake (I actually prefer the v2 of this one)

TFA Toasted Marshmallow

TFA Kentucky Bourbon

CAP Graham Cracker

INW Biscuit

FA Zeppola

and my personal favorite FA Torrone.

There's likely some gems I've missed here, but you've got a solid list of stuff to look into at least.

Edit: At some point you might also want some Koolada, WS-23, or menthol.

Edit 2: CAP Caramel v2

This could be it's own post over at /r/Deeper_DIY. Or maybe that's where you got some of your info?

There is a reason why we use artificially created flavors in this hobby

If you sub FA, you will probably need to lower the percentage to 1.5 - 2%. I don’t think TPA would really work, as the cream would change the entire profile of the recipe.

FA Orange is not going to be a good sub for that at all. You could try the Orange Cream, but it’s not going to be the same profile. Just keep that in mind. It may be good though.

1. I don't know. Probably not.
2. Depends, but a lot of them are stupid high flavor %s and stupid high amounts of sweetener %.
3. Depends, you can also mute out your flavors that way, depending on which sweetener you use, how much of it you use, and what other flavors are at play.
4. Probably not if they're just fruity flavors.

Maybe try an experiment. Pick one of those juices you've made. Make it again in four batches. One, exactly the same way your wife already likes it (at least you know that one won't go to waste). Two, same flavor percentages, but add 0.25 to 1% sweetener (depending on which one you choose). Three, increase all the flavor %s across the board by 25%, keeping the same ratio, so use 1.25% instead of 1% and 2.5% instead of 2%, etc. Four, same thing, but with some some sweetener. Compare them. Then you'll know whether you're just not that sensitive (yet?) and need more flavors to get the same effect, or whether you're just missing the sucralose, or both.

I used an old erector set motor along with 2 battery banks to make a little contraption that spun the bottle and after a minute or so it was like shaking it. Batteries cost money and my hand works just fine though.

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Zip tie your bottle to a sawzall. I use 2 zip ties on a long blade. Juice looks like foam in less than 2 minutes. Make sure the bottle clears the bottom of the saw stroke and start out on slow speed.

If you have a fairly powerful electric motor handy, with a straight shaft, and you're able to bend the shaft ever so slightly... turn it so the shaft is (mostly) upright. Put a soft rubber cap on the end. Turn it on, and you have essentially a homemade vortexor. Press the bottom edge of the bottle to the cap, it should vibrate like crazy and form a tiny tornado looking motion in the bottle. If the bottle has minimal air in it, it's the best mechanical solution other than a paint shaker based contraption. If you have a pulley on the shaft of the only electric motor you have, securing the bottle so it's centered (and will stay in place) would allow you to spin the bottle rapidly about its center, which should work as well.

Yep, you've got the right idea with the recommended percentages. That is a good rule of thumb. Just keep in mind when substituting, some ingredients with the same name can be extremely different (potentially ruining a mix) from manufacturer to manufacturer.

You have everything to make your first few batches. You may find you want other things as you go, but you have all the basics covered. Have fun with it; it's a great hobby and helps keep your mind off the stinkies. Soon you won't even miss them! As the other poster said, keep reading the sidebar and come back to the weekly thread as more questions come up.

I would say to look on the sidebar and read the "my first order flavors" and the DIY beginners guide, as well as Bobby Savages guide. Those will tell you almost everything. Good luck and have fun!!

Didn't read through your flavor stash, sorry. The best advice is to search the flavor wiki on here and you'll most likely fond reviews. Most reviewers, concrete river for example, will list their results with varying percentages.

I find these to be way more helpful than a standard 3% or whatever as the manufacturer can have vastly different strengths within their own lines, let alone between different companies.

Another plus is that u/Concrete River frequently reviews a lot of the more unusual flavors that you probably won't find on elr or atf.

Any reason you didn't go for strawberry or strawberry (ripe)? Also RFSC marshmallow isn't the one commonly used, and it's quite different. You could use that Cheesecake Graham Crust with a bit of biscuit to create a nice pie crust though...

I would try:

4% TPA Cheesecake (Graham Crust)

1% INW Biscuit

1% TPA Graham Cracker (Clear)

1.25% FA Cream Fresh

then layer whatever fruit you want on top.

If you were looking for some things to add, i would definitely pick up some staples:

TPA Bavarian Cream

CAP Vanilla Custard V1 or V2

INW Custard

INW Shisha Strawberry

TPA Strawberry (Ripe)

FLV Cream

INW Shisha Vanilla

FW Blueberry

FA Lemon Sicily

INW Cactus

should help you really beef out the set you have with a lot more possibilities.

What flavor profiles do you prefer:
straight fruit?
beverages?
bakeries?
custards/creams?
tobaccos?
candy?

What counts as staples depends on that... I have zero need for CAP Sugar Cookie, for example. You might find it mandatory. I couldn't live without cooling agents, you might find them useless.

For single flavor testing, if I can't find any information on the flavor that I trust, I start @8% with TFA or 4% for anywhere else, then use half of each tester to create a lower concentration tester, down to .5% and test from weakest to strongest (I dislike rewicking, so...) and stop when it's too strong. So I use maybe .8ml of flavor, or less, total. Otherwise, I go with what the review suggested.

From what I understand, Capella, TFA/TPA, Flavors West, and Jungle Fruits test at 5% and Flavor Arts, Flavorah, Inawera and Rf usually at 2%. But it doesn't hurt to test flavors at multiple %s just to get to know them. People with more experience please correct me if I'm wrong!!

Ecigexpress Sells DIYorDIE one shots and Liquid Barn just started to sell one shots by various different companies.

Brokevaper.ca in canada has one shots, but they're mine so I can't be impartial as to how good or bad they are :P

Liquidbarn has just started carrying some pretty good ones. Their previous flavors were sometimes hit and miss, but they are sourcing some great one shots these days.

I think you have to use their suggest a flavor feature or whatever.

I've got one promising one in development. Maybe next month. I want to test some different cooling mixes.

That is actually a flavor I need to play around with more, very tasty and surprisingly realistic.

I only have one recipe saved, not mine, no idea who made it. I wouldn't use it as an ADV with all that DAAP, but it's very tasty IIRC and might inspire you. Looking at it now, I would probably cut everything in half, blackberry is potent, but I'll leave that up to you. And you can sub the creams for whatever you have/prefer.

2%	TFA	Bavarian Cream
2%	FA	Bilberry
4%	TFA	Blackberry
2%	CAP	French Vanilla
2%	CAP	Sweet Cream
5%	TFA	Vanilla Bean Ice Cream

Plum smugglin is pretty good

ISTR a recipe using blackberry in this month's thread with blackberry. Could've been black currant. I'd better check... edit: :( it was black currant. Damn memory.

I mix MTL stronger (in flavs and nic). Re nic: 3mg for DTL and between 9-12mg for MTL. Re flavs: if a recipe is say 12% total flavourings for MTL, I'll normally mix it around 8-9% for DTL.

I’m pretty sure that grape sub won’t work at all... might have better luck with the raspberry sub tho.

FLV flavors are not all alcohol based. So there’s that to think about. Only a handful of flavors across all the main brands contain small amounts of EA. Breathing is not recommended at all. The alcohol is not the only thing that will escape the bottle. Just steep normally.

Breathing a mix is bad. And other than a few flavors each, most manufacturers don't use alcohol in their flavors in much of a concentration. The SC concentrates from China are largely alcohol, tho.. Alcohol will evaporate out of a mix into the headroom in the bottle. When you open it to use it, the alcohol will dissipate. Don't worry.

I would save your money and buy something actually useful. Those things aren't necessary at all.

This is what I've been making lately.

Booster (Tiramisu) (FA) .4% Cream Fresh (FA) 1.5% Dark Bean (Coffee Espresso) (FA) .4% Vanilla Tahity (FA) .5% Vienna Cream (FA) .5%

FA Up + FA Caramel + FA Cream Fresh or TFA Sweet Cream

Have you ever vaped a coffee juice and liked it?

Where do you live?

Melon is inherently kinda weak, you might need a more potent brand to give you that punch, such as FLV, INW or FA. But there's no harm in trying, say, 4% TFA in that mix, see what it does. I can't be specific as I don't have those concentrates myself.

Koolada and lemon can have some muting properties. And if you mix with less than 20% PG, bump that up a bit.

I personally didn't like this mostly because it just tasted like a cold (possibly cryogenic) watermelon candy, and I'm not that big a fan of watermelon candy. But you may like it.

3% VBIC, 1% Fuji, 0.25-0.5% CDS, optional 1% Caramel. Just pulling numbers out of my behind here to give you some idea, but that's where I'd start. The real question is TFA or CAP VBIC, they are quite different.

Edit: Pondering that a bit, I think I'd prefer to tone the VBIC down a bit, add in a lighter cream, but above all a juicier apple. I love Fuji, but it's not very refreshing. Something like INW Shisha Apple or CAP Double Apple to back the Fuji up with some brighter notes. And something sweet, since it's ice cream. I'd skip the caramel and either use sweetener or marshmallow, possibly marzipan. The first response would be okay, for what you listed, but these changes would make it shine, IMO.

8% TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream, 3% Fuji Apple (assuming you meant FA and not TFA), 1.5% Cinnamon Danish Swirl.

CAP Carmel tastes like maple syrup, I would leave it out.

If you want to order everything from the same place, let me know which site you decide to go with and I will browse their tobacco selection and throw out some ideas for you.

I'm not from the UK, and I've still ordered from Chef's repeatedly. For a cigarette mix, /u/chemicalburnvictim is the guy to ask.

As far as suppliers go, there is a good list here on the third table. There is also rainbowvapes which seem to have quite a good selection, good prices and cheaper delivery.

When viewing a recipe you wish to add click on the white border star next to the recipe name and it should turn solid gold signifying that it is now in your favorites.

From what I've heard...

1. Good
2. In Oz
3. Decent price

Is the old "pick any two" problem. That may have changed by now, but...

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I think the answer to this is that Nude Nicotine is the only place that sells it in a form ready to be vaped. Most people don't order from them anymore with how comical their shipping times are. I'm not sure if their shipping times are any better if you would just order extracts though.

Most powders have anti-caking agents to prevent clumping. You want to avoid vaping those things. You could buy this version that doesn't have anything added but it's $25 for 3.5 ounces of powder.

TLDR: The cost and only NN sells it.

Yes. FW and TFA Cotton Candy are basically Ethyl Maltol. [Guava-Lime Candy] (https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/217#guava_lime_candy_by_notcharlesmanson) by notCharlesmanson is really good and unique.

Dry Strawberry Cereal - try as a starting place: 3% FA Strawberry, 3% Strawberry Ripe, 3% CAP Cereal 27, 1% FW Graham Cracker. This would be better if you had some TFA or FA Meringue.

Strawberry Frosted Graham Cracker - try as a starting place: 3.5% FW Graham Cracker, 1.5% LA Cream Cheese Icing, 1.5% CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream, 3% FA Strawberry, 2% CAP Strawberry Taffy.

TFA Bubblegum isn’t that great. I prefer a combo of LA Bubblegum and Ethyl Maltol.

Without seeing the specific concentrates you have, it’s going to be difficult to help.

No? Why would it be the same?

Ratio of Nic and Concentration?

Unless you live in a very hot climate, storing nic in the fridge won't really have any benefits. Freezer or don't bother.

All The Flavors

E-liquid-recipes.com

There's no harm in experimenting, you'll always learn something from it. What you might find is that you need to steep the mix again to make it tolerable. It might also be great, but when you try to recreate it, the results aren't quite the same. Could also be perfect. Or terrible. Depends on the recipe and what you add to it.

TL;DR - Maybe. Depends. Try it and see.

It's possible. However, it's unlikely you kept accurate enough records to do it properly. If you have a record of how much the full mix's gross weight, then you can determine the percentage that you've used, so you can accurately determine the effect of the change in flavor.

If you only made a 30ml tester of 3mg, it's not like the ingredients likely cost much. Unless you used a lot of Flavor Monks flavors. So really, it's best to just try again.

Also, it depends on what flavor you think is missing. A fruit, maybe a spice, will probably not need any time after adding it to a presteeped mix. Adding a DX flavor? You'll need to wait another month or two until you determine if it was what you wanted.

tl;dr - You could, with a bunch of caveats. So don't.

If I was gonna use menthol with vanilla I think I'd probably opt for something like a spearmint vanilla combo. In my head it feels like the only kinda mint/menthol/cooling agent that would work with vanilla. I'd probably go something like.....

• CAP spearmint 2%
• TFA French vanilla deluxe 4%
• TFA whipped cream 1%
• TFA koolada 0.25%

This one is really delish: [Vanilla Mint Sex] (https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/57251#vanilla_mint_sex_by_kindground)

WS-25 and DIYFS vanilla should be what you want.

Depends on the temps that room reaches. Heat and flavor volatiles aren't friends.

Put your nic in the freezer. The fridge does nothing for that.

If you don't mind the possibility of yhem leaking...

Note: you probably don't want to take the chance with TFA Honey. Or Perique Black. Or, for a different reason, anything from flavor monks.

Banana isn't really my thing, but this recent FOTW post on bananas has a TON of information dealing with banana flavorings.

A tiny bit (like .5%) CAP Coconut. You don't want to taste coconut in the mix, but at low dosages it's supposed to boost dairy flavors to make them feel more realistic. (At least, according to recipe notes from Charlie Nobel.)

You don’t. Unless you want to keep your juice in the freezer. I wouldn’t really be concerned about that. Just don’t make large batches.

1. No.
2. MTS Wizard

FA Custard is my go to (~2%). Add some FA Cream Fresh (0.5 - 2%), some FA Marshmallow (0.5%) and maybe a bit of FA Biscuit (0.2-0.5%) to fill it out. If you want to go full deliciousness then add FA Marzipan (0.2-0.4%) and FA Coconut (0.2-0.5%).

It takes a while to steep, but it is worth it. For strawberry custard, just add 2-2.3% INW Shisha Strawberry (though it may contain DAAP)

I can't say I've ever heard of this. My TFA Strawberry Ripe came in plastic, and I've seen it used mixing in plastic with no noticeable effects.

Ripe Strawberry doesn’t melt syringes

Complete waste of money.

99.99 % the same.

How much favouring depends on the particular recipe you're aiming for. The sidebar guides have all the relevant math formulas explained, and also links to calculators if you want fast math.

Can't answer to the other part of your question as I'm new in this, too.

The dimensions for the bottles are bound to be on Chubby Gorilla’s site. If not, email them.