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What was your "aha" moment in DIY?
submitted over 7 years ago by Steepnkeep

I'm kind of curious as to the experience of veteran/more experienced DIYers, might learn some new things/tips & tricks :) (or super secret unconventional methods)

  • When your first mix came out (near) perfect,what did you change?
  • Did you have a different approach/method used?
  • Change of coils to impact flavor?
  • Did you use/discover a tool/site/flavoring you changed up that changed your view of DIY/results?
  • Did you make any mistakes you didn't realise?

& Anything else that comes to mind :)

Thank you for your time & I hope we can have a nice discussion

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14 points
 
by SteepingTakesTimeover 7 years ago

Don't lock yourself down with arbitrary rules. This is a hobby centered around experimentation and personal preference. Just because someone respected here says something only works at 3% doesn't make that an undeniable fact. It might be a good starting point for you, but it isn't gospel.

Start simple. I have flavors with 3 ingredients and I have flavors with 12 or more. Not everything can be simple, and most things won't be complex. Start with a very literal interpretation with round percentages. Example: Blueberry Cheesecake - Graham Cracker, Cheesecake, Blueberry Puree. Your first try could literally be 3 ingredients and then once you get a decent base you can add complexity.

If you aren't sensitive to PG, you're doing your tongue a disservice by not having at least 25% PG in your recipe (including flavors) It makes a bigger difference than people think.

Sweeteners aren't always a bad thing. Some recipes don't need it because they're sweet on their own, but if you're making a cake or pie recipe without sweetener it'll never be great. They exist for a reason.

EDIT: And for the love of the vape gods, please don't waste your time and energy trying to rapidly steep your juice. Just make it before you need it and throw it in a drawer. Damn near everything is better after 2 weeks.

2 points
 
by MasterBeernutsover 7 years ago

Great comment. I want to know the vape gods names. Surely Kayfun Prime is their leader?

1 points
 
by Steepnkeepover 7 years ago

I have a similar attitude towards DIY,though I tend to experiment at a low and high % and adjust accordingly,2 flavors for starters and add if needed,it's more fun to make your own mix work rather than to copy (imo)

Several test batches in one go and you're set :)

13 points
 
by dutchahover 7 years ago

Making the switch to mixing by weight. Seriously, you can't do that soon enough, it's miles easier than by volume.

2 points
 
by n0tveganover 7 years ago

seconded!

12 points
 
by noahdblevinsover 7 years ago~D.I.Y. Samurai~
  1. Never "eyeball" any measurement. Not because it cant taste delicious, but because you will have a hard time reproducing that result.

  2. Write down recipes, and keep notes from failed experiments. Knowing what doesnt work is just as valuable as knowing what does.

This holds especially true when you are on your 10th variation of one recipe.

  1. Flavors can take time. Just because it wasnt where you want it after a week, doesnt mean it isnt good in a month, or even 3 months.

DIY requires patience.

3 points
 
by Boziakover 7 years ago
  1. make backups of all your notes and recipes!
1 points
 
by SteepingTakesTimeover 7 years ago

AMEN!

11 points
 
by Apocrisiaryover 7 years ago

Don't buy flavors because they sound nice. Buy flavors to make a specific recipe.

Then when you have some experience, you can try your own concoctions.

I still have 20-30 10ml flavor bottles I never used.

8 points
 
by SpaghettiBollocknaseover 7 years ago

Not making everything max VG.

3 points
 
by br4d24over 7 years ago

Yeha I know right! Pg is a great flsvor carrier. Higher VG is good for creamier juices I find though.

4 points
 
by Bassmuttover 7 years ago

Realizing the only way to build a great recipe is by doing so one step at a time , not throwing 10 flavors together and hope it works. Take a strawberry cheesecake. Instead of compiling all the flavors you think will work , or because so and so used them in his , start out with your strawberry and a cheese cake base. Mix those up , test it , maybe let it steep , adjust your %. Then move on to the next step when you are satisfied. Maybe build the crust. Get that right , then maybe thicken up the cheesecake some , and so on.

4 points
 
by jambipkover 7 years ago

Unicorn Milk clone that was dead on. I held that little bottle in my hand, basked in the realization that it cost me 1.08 to make vs. the 25 I'd been paying, and dove head-first down the rabbit hole.

2 points
 
by Steepnkeepover 7 years ago

I bet it was the best juice ever :) I'm personally trying to go for something like charlie noble's siren song,but my own version,hoping to get it right over time

2 points
 
by PhyllisRaeover 7 years ago

What is used to recreate Unicorn Milk?

2 points
 
by fire_for_foodover 7 years ago

Internal leak supposedly

1 points
 
by PhyllisRaeover 7 years ago

I'm thinking about starting my own mixing. That one seems like a good starting point.

1 points
 
by jambipkover 7 years ago

That, my friend, is a secret.

3 points
 
by _TheCredibleHulk_over 7 years ago

Realising that certain flavours fade far quicker than others.

Now if I want to make a fruit cream I will mix the creamy flavours in a big batch a week or two in advance, then add fruits and vanillas a few days before I want to vape it, in small batches so i'm getting the fresh flavour I want out of them.

2 points
 
by zhouse301over 7 years ago

I like that idea

1 points
 
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1 points
 
by Xb741czover 7 years ago

Less is more, when it comes to flavor

5 points
 
by SteepingTakesTimeover 7 years ago

I think this is one of the most damaging pieces of advice you can give a newbie. That's not universally true.

1 points
 
by Xb741czover 7 years ago

Idk, maybe. My experience has been that over flavored mixes are often unusable and under flavored batches can be tuned up. I cringe when I see recipes that call for 15 or 20% flavor, I find the sweet spot at about 7. But that's just me, my flavors and my setup.

4 points
 
by SteepingTakesTimeover 7 years ago

I can definitely respect having a preference, but my stance is that it's not a universally true rule. Some people don't like a lot of flavor. You're clearly one of them, and that's totally fine. Just realize you're the exception.

1 points
 
by whiskeyisloveover 7 years ago

Mixing by weight. Good what was I doing before!

1 points
 
by PhyllisRaeover 7 years ago

I'm thinking about getting started mixing my own juice so here's a noob question. When I see a recipe it says 1.5% or some percentage. How does that relate to weight?

1 points
 
by whiskeyisloveover 7 years ago

It depends on what ingredient it is (VG PG Nic and concentrates have different densities). So if you were making 100ml of liquid and you wanted 70% VG then you do 70% of 100ml which is 70ml and multiply it by the density (1.26g/ml) and whatever that comes out to is how many grams of VG you need to add.

Same for PG and concentrsted(1.038 if in PG)

Nicotine's density changes a little based on what strength the solution but for your standard sort of 72mg nicotine I just use the same density as PG

TL;DR Density (1.26g/ml for VG and 1.038 for PG, concentrates and 72mg nicotine) times by percentage of total liquid you want to make in ml.

1 points
 
by PhyllisRaeover 7 years ago

ok that might give me a headache. Sounds complicated.

1 points
 
by J_Ripperover 7 years ago

Google ejuice calculator and use the first link, put in the percentages and it’ll tell you the weight in mg

1 points
 
by DarkJester89over 7 years ago

I changed vg/pg levels to taste it at different levels, then change from private to public.

Different approach/method, always research for previous work/study. ECF/Underground Vaping was a wealth of knowledge, more than ELR or reddit combined at the time. Some of these subs are only 2-3 years old, ECF/UV goes back 6-7 or even 8-10 years. And they were EXTREMELY active in discussion.

-I clean wicks, but wont change coils, I use bare basics, its like a steep. a good steep will make a good recipe better, but wont turn a shit recipe good

-best tool would be time and proper steep -website, ECF/Underground vaping/ELR/Reddit.. one that changed my view of DIY is DIYORDIE and how petty mixers can be about their recipes and withholding information that folks think is gold. (We either know it already or probably will find out very soon, games been out too long) -Mistakes I didn't realize until afterwards, ..is it a flavor that you really think you'll enjoy? I thought I would love dreamsicle, and I mix it, and its good, and then...realize its not something I want constantly in my tank. and I wont touch it for 6 months and then Ill start the cycle again.
-Biggest mistake I've seen, not that I did it but.. I saw someone make 500ml of a flavor...as a first try/expirement and then dump the whole thing out after a month steep. Waste of materials...start small, maybe like 50ml or batch sample..

...anything else is.. don't stick to just one database. Don't hold allegiance to solely one, reddit, ELR, shit, even the mixer at your B&M, I talk to my b&m weekly, I don't even buy stuff from the store, I usually ask him to change my wick/coils, but I leave tips and donations to the store, him and advocacy purposes. (might as well pay for a service if I'm not paying for a good.) Don't be stingy with your recipes, if you are open about your favorites, others might be open about theres, no internet copyright is gonna protect you, especially if the site is using copyrighted materials for image profiles to begin with :/

1 points
 
by _0bserverover 7 years ago

If you're adamant about mixing by volume, use labeled syringes

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