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Weekly General Questions Thread - Week of January 08, 2018
submitted over 7 years ago by AutoModerator

OK mixers, this is your thread to ask any questions you want of the DIY eJuice community. All posts are allowed, but we still encourage you to use the sidebar and search features before asking any questions.

  • Placing your first DIY order and want to make sure you have all you need?
  • Not sure about how to mix your first bottle?
  • Want to get started but aren't sure how?
  • Any other questions? ... then this is the thread for you. FWIW, the answers to the first three questions will eventually be found in the wiki (still in development); link at the top of the page.

Ask away!

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by ChemicalBurnVictimover 7 years agoresident tobacco expert

Anyone interested in an INW Black For Pipe group buy? The only place I ever saw it sold in the States was Bull City, but it appears they will no longer be carrying it. A liter shipped is about $255, so I reckon 5 or 6 people getting in on it won’t be too bad. /u/EdibleMalfunction said he’s down, so anyone else? I’ve ordered from http://www.inaweraflavours.com/en/ once before and shipping took about 10 days to get to me.

on the other hand, if anyone knows a place in the states where you can still buy it, let me know!

Edit: https://reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/7ozozk/psa_inw_black_for_pipe/

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by dominicaldazeover 7 years ago

I’d be interested but not for more than 30 ml. Sorry but I’m a tobacco noob!

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by isuamadogover 7 years ago

I’ll get in if it’s as good as you say.

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by vApe_Escapeover 7 years agoTobacconist

I'd still be in for a GB if its cheaper that way or maybe and INW GB in general to get some of those flavors you can't get in the US.

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by juthincover 7 years ago

What flavors would those be?

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by monkeybastardover 7 years ago

I heard good things about except it’s impossible that get it where I live. Do you of any other flavor that can replace it?

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by thelateoctoberover 7 years ago

Wanted to throw this out there without making a new post for it, unless you.guys think I should.

I'd like to offer fused clapton wire shots/coils to all of you guys if you can just cover shipping + a few bucks to offset cost of supplies. I started making my own because AVS stopped carrying the kind I liked. I'm no pro, but my wire is clean and has no gaps. I've got SS 316L from 24-40g. I've been using 24x2/36 and the flavor is phenomenal. The whole spectrum of flavor is there, there is a brightness and top end I'd never tasted before in all my juice, retail and diy. I've also started making helix wire, which is 2 or more strands twisted, then a smaller gauge twisted into the grooves if that makes sense. 24x2/36x2 produces that same bright, full flavor I get from that fused I mentioned. Anyway, I'm not trying to make any money, and I don't have a ton of free time to crank out a shitload of wire, but if anyone wants a few shots / pre-made fused clapton coils I'd be happy to give back what I can to a community that had been so incredibly helpful to me.

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by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

PM sent.

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by Jthecticover 7 years ago

Was FA Meringue changed in the last year or so? It no longer adds a crispy, powdery sweetness to recipes and instead imparts a slightly bread-y, caramelised bakery flavour. Even at a 0.25-0.75% range it's super noticeable and doesn't steep away.

Grack juice is what raised my alarms. Since mixing it up multiple times in the past year, there's a vast change in what I remember the flavour to be. It's borderline unpalatable and I can't find a suitable substitute in the recipe, nor many other recipes that call for it (another oldie like Rhodonite is also really weird with meringue now).

Has anyone else noticed this besides the few brief remarks in ELR notes? Should I basically move on from all recipes with meringue now?

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

More probable that it was a bad batch. I haven't noticed anything in the years I've been using it.

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by Scratch312over 7 years ago

I thought I was the only one tasting non-meringue-iness in FA Meringue. As far as substitutes, I have no idea, but I would be very interested as to any ideas you get answered here.

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by Philosaphuckerover 7 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2016 - Grack Juice

Where are you getting it from? I am about to order more Meringue because I am back on the Grack and I would like to side step this if possible.

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by Jthecticover 7 years ago

Probably the other side of the world for you my man. From a few different local suppliers here down under. I definitely will be mixing up some more Grack myself, but may just cut down/out the meringue since this batch might be the culprit.

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by ModAlternateover 7 years ago

I want to get into DIY ejuice, getting the right equipment I need to mix for myself (for only one person) with as little upfront cost as possible.

I'd definitely like to be able to make a few flavors, specifically fruit loops flavors and a clone of Hawaiian POG (I like Passion Orange Guava drinks, so I think I'll like the vape) and/or AlphaVape Mr Miyagi which I have tried and liked (but not the price tag, though it SEEMED like a highly clonable mix of a few fruit flavors)

My questions are as follows: which equipment should be included in my next FastTech order? (links would be awesome)

What about kits? Should I skip them and just get the equipment on my own?

Is it better to work by dilution, or by weight? I used to make standards for HPLC so either isn't a problem for me, but I'd probably need to get either a good scale or some sort of volumetric glassware/transferring device for either method. (are densities something that is published for flavors, nic, etc?)

And finally, is there any place which is recommended for pre-mixed flavors? (where multiple flavors are mixed into one concentrate)

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by Scratch312over 7 years ago

Here’s a Hawaiian POG recipe that I have really been enjoying.

https://diyordievaping.com/2017/06/20/lets-mix-hawaiian-pog-remix-remixmonth/

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by ModAlternateover 7 years ago

TY!

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by Scratch312over 7 years ago

No problem, hope you enjoy!

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

I would search around alltheflavors.com for some recipes you're interested in.

The only thing we really use off fasttech is bottles. They have okay priced ones but I found more bang for your buck on Amazon.

You just need a scale to measure by weight. You can do either volume with syringes or weight with a scale. Then you can mix straight into the bottle. For weight all you need is dropper bottles, which most flavoring distributors sell their flavorings in already, and a scale with empty bottles.

If you want to get one shots check out ecigexpress or wizard labs for those.

All this info is in the sidebar, I would give that a reading. The preferred scale is in their, too.

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by ModAlternateover 7 years ago

Thanks for the resources! I'll give them all a look!

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by ModAlternateover 7 years ago

You mean this one? AWS LB501

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

> AWS LB501

That would be the one.

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by juthincover 7 years ago

Mix by weight. Get a scale good to .01g (it's the best trade off of accuracy and cost... triple digit accuracy is cost prohibitive if you want to mix larger volumes, but for testers getting a good read on individual drop sizes would be nice... if you're only going to be following recipes rather than experimenting, two digits is good enough). The viscosity of ejuice components make volumetric measurement a poor choice, as you'll never get an accurate measure of how much you actually have in a mix and how much stuck to your glassware.

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by ModAlternateover 7 years ago

Good point about the viscosity making accurate measurement/transfer tough. By weight it is.

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by mikeltruover 7 years ago

I need help with glycerine

I bought a 70 pg 30 vg instead of the 70vg I normally buy by mistake.

I went to a bakery shop and bought a [bottle of glycerine ] (https://imgur.com/a/vRlr8).

I want to know if I can mix it with the blend I bought to level up the VG.

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Can you find the term USP anywhere on the bottle? Otherwise it's not a good idea as it will contain impurities.

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by mikeltruover 7 years ago

Thanks I’ll check

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by sirfletchalotover 7 years agoI <3 ID10-T

This will depend on your region as here in the UK we don't have the USP grading. Here, the grade we look for is BP (British Pharmaceutical)

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by EdibleMalfunctionover 7 years ago

Do not use that for mixing juice.

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by eHaxorsover 7 years ago

What brand of Nicotine do you guys prefer? VG based and not delosi, if you can.

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Chemnovatic since I live in the EU and it's the best you can find around here. If I lived in the US, I'd go with CXTC.

Always go with PG based nic unless you have allergies or something.

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by wh1skeyk1ngover 7 years agoThanks for reading this flair

I live in the US and recently purchased nic from Vapers Tek in OK, which I believe is the same EU sourced ChemNovatic nic you speak of. I've used CXT in the past, but honestly the quality is identical and VT is half the price so there's my decision. Supposedly EU extracted nicotine is held to higher standards too.

I also definitely recommend PG based a thousand times over VG based.

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

Heartland Vape also sells ChemNovatic with their 'Ultra Premium' line. I've tried Vapers Tek and they are both identical in quality. I started to use Heartland for it though as they have free shipping for a liter which cuts the price down a good chunk; assuming you can't go and pick it up in person.

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Interesting, I thought CXTC's extraction method was supposed to make their nic superior to kerosene extractions but I've never compared them myself. Good to know, thanks for chiming in!

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by sirfletchalotover 7 years agoI <3 ID10-T

Just gonna hijack here and throw it in.......i actually prefer my nic in VG, I don't have allergies to PG but I find it smoother in the final product if I use VG nic. Maybe it's a placebo, I don't know?

2 points
 
by beercruiserover 7 years ago

I just ordered my first tobacco flavors:

  • FLV Red Burley
  • FLV Cured
  • FLV Kentucky Blend

I've heard burley and cured mixed is a solid start. Should I just do each at 1% and add some other accent flavor? I was thinking like 5% TFA RY4 Double.

edit: derp

2 points
 
by SlashaLOover 7 years agothe diesel mixer

1% of each would be a good start, just to see how you enjoy them. I enjoy a ratio of 2:1 Burley:Cured myself. So, 1% burley, .5% cured. But of course, to each their own

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by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Something like 5% TFA RY4 Double, 1% FLV Red Burley, 1% Kentucky Blend, sounds good to me.

Also try 1.5% Cured, 0.75% Red Burley, A Reasonable % of whatever you want.

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by beercruiserover 7 years ago

Awesome, thanks for that.

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by beercruiserover 7 years ago

Well this works so well and so simply. Wish I had done it long ago. Now to start experimenting.

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by king3crispyover 7 years ago

Hey all,

Moving away from buying juice and into the world of diy after 3 years of vaping. I know, use the side bar. I did, and the amount I have read is a little overwhelming. I am going to place an order on bullcity, and am looking for advice on flavorings to order for a strawberry milk( strawberries and cream, ice cream etc) and a blueberry waffle or muffin . I need these to be relatively simple recipes, as I will probably less them up a bit if they are involved. Looking forward to giving this a go, and hopefully I can order less juice in my future. (I vape quite a lot) Thanks to all in advance, I appreciate it!

Moved from thread I posted /u/hashslingingslashur thanks homie

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by HashSlingingSlashurover 7 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2017 - Leche De Coco

I'd start with any combo of these flavors for a strawberry cream

  • INW shisha Strawberry

  • TFA strawberry ripe

  • FA red touch (strawberry)

  • FW Vanilla bean ice cream

  • FLV cream

  • TPA vanilla swirl

  • TPA marshmallow

  • LB vanilla ice cream

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by king3crispyover 7 years ago

Your favorite out of the group?

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by HashSlingingSlashurover 7 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2017 - Leche De Coco

well it doesn't work that way lol. i use all three strawberries to make my favorite. if you can only pick one then INW shisha straw

for the creams my favorites are FLV cream and FW vbic

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by Tastydrumstickover 7 years ago

Yes the Vanilla bean ice cream is a great base to start with if you wanting to make more of a milky recipe along with the strawberry ripe from FW as well

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by dontpanic4242over 7 years ago

Mustard Milk is just 6% TFA Strawberry Ripe and 8% TFA VBIC. Very simple and tastes great. Check around on alltheflavors.com for some recipes to use as a starting point.

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by ph1lover 7 years ago

Hey,

I just ordered my first batch of flavors and I have a quick question :) I have some plastic bottles lying around (old Liquid Bottles) in 30-50ml. What is a good way to clean these fully? Currently I'm mixing normal liquids in these, but often have the odor and sometimes also the taste of the old liquid in it (especially in the cap).

2 points
 
by Darreenover 7 years ago

[This] (https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/7oyqis/cleaning_of_glass_droppers/dsdbyj6/) is what I do and seems to shift any left over odours

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by fireraiser77over 7 years ago

So I love the concentrate for onestop diy shop, it's delicious it's called "blue raspberry slushie" and it's just amazing. Only problem is I can't seem to get the flavor to pop at their recommended dose. At 10% (recommended) it's a little harsh and the flavor isn't very strong. I've tried every method of mixing I can think of, between stirring shaking mag mixers Sonic shakers, but even that hint is so good. I'm afraid to mix it higher for fear of the bite and I'm afraid to mix lower for fear of losing the flavor. Any ideas on making it pop?

2 points
 
by juthincover 7 years ago

Cut the percentage in half and add a sweetener. If you like your coils, use Xylitol, if you don't, use sucralose. Too much flavor tends to mute the flavor... and a lot of 'recommended usage' levels were determined for the old pen mods (which didn't give much flavor unless they were hyper strong) or are overstated to get customers to go through them insanely fast.

1 points
 
by fireraiser77over 7 years ago

Will do, any recommendations on how much sweetener? I've got a bottle of tfa sweetener but I've never touched it before.

1 points
 
by juthincover 7 years ago

Try .5%

If it doesn't work you can always add a bit more. Hard to remove if you use too much.

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by ph1lover 7 years ago

So, my first order arrived today and I got a pretty dumb question I think :/
I got my VG/PG Base (50/50, 100ml) and 6 shots of nic (20 mg/ml, 50/50. Here in EU we can only buy nic shots). My first receipe I want to mix would be the Mother of Dragon Milk

Till today (I mixed my liquids with normal aromas from vendors) I mixed the following way:

All 6 Nic shots added to the base to get a 6mg nic base (so said me the Vendor) and shake heavily. Put the needed % aroma in my bottle (for example: 2%, so I put 0,2ml in a 10ml bottle) and filled the rest with the base (9,8ml), shake and vape.

But I'm currently, because of all the calculators, not sure if this would be the right way when mixing with flavors :/ and I'm a bit scared currently to make something wrong :(

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

It's exactly the same thing, except you'll be using more than one flavoring. Flavor shots are just multiple flavorings mixed together. And if you make a small batch, like 10 ml, it's not the end of the world if you mess up.

As for the nic, what the vendor suggested gives you 7.5 mg/ml, so you would need to use exactly 20% flavoring to make it 6 mg/ml. So that's a silly way to go about it. You say you're using calculators though, so just follow what they say. The recipe calls for 13% total flavoring, so a 10 ml batch would contain 1.3 ml flavoring. For 6 mg/ml nic you'll want 3 ml of the nic. That's 4.3 ml, leaving 5.7 ml for the base. Now you'll have 10 ml of 6 mg/ml nic and 13% flavoring.

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by ph1lover 7 years ago

Thanks a lot! That helps me! I'm not using calculators currently, but I'll need to start with it I think xD

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

I don't ;) But it's a matter of preference. Whatever is faster and more convenient for you.

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by PhyllisRaeover 7 years ago

I'm definitely a noob here but... Can I add Real Flavors professional concentrate to a purchased juice flavor? Like adding more blue raz or coconut or strawberry to a juice that just needs more of a punch of flavor?

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Sure, use small increments though.

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by PhyllisRaeover 7 years ago

ok thanks!

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by PhyllisRaeover 7 years ago

I'm afraid to ruin it but then I don't care for it without a more intense flavor.

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by dontpanic4242over 7 years ago

Maybe just a drop or two per 10ml then shake and let it sit for a day. Try it out and see if it gets better over time.

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by PhyllisRaeover 7 years ago

Thanks I have trouble tasting strawberry for some reason so I bought Alpine strawberry from Falvorah. Since I was ordering I included their Coconut, Pistashio and Apple. Let's see if I don't screw up my flavors...

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by king3crispyover 7 years ago

How much of a difference in flavor will supplementing the v1 custard and other Capella flavors 2ith the v2 be? I don't mind the diacetyl etc. But if I can avoid it in making some of the recipes on ELR I will. Thank you guys for bearing with the noobie questions. I'm really looking forward to this new door opening up in my life of vaping

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

DA/AP free concentrates tend to use butyric acid as a substitute, which tastes like vomit at higher concentrations. This will steep out, unless you go way overboard, but it takes longer, so you'll need another week or two. I haven't used CAP VC2 enough to compare the flavor, but it isn't quite the same thing. I'm far too impatient for that amount of steeping and consider the diketone scare way overblown, but if you want to err on the side of caution, maybe that's a sacrifice you're willing to make.

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by king3crispyover 7 years ago

I'm not very concerned. I am far too impatient for extra steep time. I do understand it is a necessity and well worth the wait for many recipes, but extra time I am not about it. I will order the v1 of all the flavors. Good looking out, thank you

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Flavor wise, that is the smart decision.

My stance on the dangers is that my lungs have already been exposed to far higher levels of diketones through smoking for many years. I don't plan on vaping forever and I don't make potentially harmful mixes my "all day vapes", but if I feel like indulging myself with some buttery goodness now and then, who's to judge.

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by GabTheAceover 7 years ago

This may be a long shot but any reputable vendors that ship to mexico? Im looking for people that know from experience because in my country it's kind of illegal, and would like to know options of shipping and duties. Cheers!

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by EdibleMalfunctionover 7 years ago

If it’s illegal, no one will ship there. Aside from nicotine though, the ingredients used in mixing are not vape products. Nicotine should be the only thing you would have trouble procuring.

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by gunsanonymousover 7 years ago

What percentage would you guys suggest using to get an idea of individual flavors. I have 16 bottles of concentrate here and while I have read the flavor profiles on all of them, i want to see how they taste to me before I start mixing.

I'm thinking 2-5% would be good, but I don't want to waste a lot of supplies considering this is my first time mixing.

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by Scratch312over 7 years ago

That’s entirely dependent on the individual flavors. Some are best at 5%, and some are best at .15%. I would suggest looking up the flavor reviews located in the sidebar, looking at the percentages that the flavors you’re using were tested at, and making a sampler based off those percentages.

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by hukahboiscusnsfriendover 7 years ago

Has anyone found a decent replacement for http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/566942/Dutchie%20-%20a%20Delicious%20Stroopwafel ? I purchased the ingredients and TFA Belgium waffle before realizing that INW waffle was so crucial.

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

Nope, INW hasn't released a new version yet either. Might have some luck trading someone for a few mls of it though.

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by hukahboiscusnsfriendover 7 years ago

Thats a good idea. Would you recommend checking on the DIY classifieds or the Ecig Classifieds section? I wouldn't want to break any forum rules asking for it. BTW, thanks for the recipes work you do on the sub, I've learned so much reading the recipes and thoughts of mixers like you.

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

/r/diy_classifieds would be a good first shot since /r/concentrade is dead.

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by nerdabillyover 7 years ago

What method do you prefer for shaking or mixing? I used to mix directly in the bottle and then shake, or stir with a little whisk I made out of kanthal attached to my drill. That always seemed to still result in nic pockets though. So recently I tried mixing in a bigger bottle and shaking, but that resulted in wasted juice when I couldn't get it all out of the bigger bottle. Tried it in a beaker and same thing.

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

Leave headspace in the bottle and this won't be an issue. I mix 58mls in a 60ml bottle and it leaves enough room to shake it together.

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Sounds like you're mixing with VG nic? If it's 100 mg/ml, you could dilute it with PG to 50 mg/ml, making it much easier to dispense and mix, and less prone to form hotspots.

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by EdibleMalfunctionover 7 years ago

If you are getting hotspots, it’s because you didn’t shake the nic base in the first place.

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by bluespartansover 7 years ago

Greetings DIY! This is my first foray into DIY, although I've been an everyday vaper for going on 4 years now, as one of my buddies bought me a DIY kit from VapeWild for Christmas. I read some really nasty stuff about VW and how they handled their nicotine labeling and general DIY quality, but all those posts were from over a year ago. My buddy and I have used VW as one of our most common pre-made ejuice vendors for years - we've never had a single problem with them, so I'm prone to trust them. That said, before I jump into researching recipes and mixing with my new stuff, I was wondering if any of you had any insight into whether their quality has improved. Used the search bar and haven't seen any recent posts about VW so I figured I'd come here.

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

Only way to know is to try it out. Their DIY venture died as fast as it started around here. Way better vendors to stick with.

The only thing you have to worry about is the nicotine. It, ideally, should be clear as water. It will more than likely taste like shit if it's brown or yellow.

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by EdibleMalfunctionover 7 years ago

They are not a verified vendor for this sub. They should tell you all you need to know.

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by effRPaulover 7 years ago

Is there a template for writing a flavor review? I feel kinda weird writing one because I'm ridiculously, unreasonably picky and have very limited experience with flavors, but there's no review for TFW's Earl Grey Tea & I feel there should be.

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by EdibleMalfunctionover 7 years ago

A template? Just look at the other reviews.

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by juthincover 7 years ago

Take any two of concreterivers reviews. That's the standard.

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by Bassmuttover 7 years ago

I want to try Cardinal by Fear , are there anymore go to flavors from diyfs? Really don't wanna order just the ry4.

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Holy Vanilla is the one you'll hear mentioned the most around here.

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by SlashaLOover 7 years agothe diesel mixer

Their pretzel is fairly good. I like it after it has sat in the mix for about 10 days or so

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by Bassmuttover 7 years ago

Hmmm pretzel would be interesting.

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by SlashaLOover 7 years agothe diesel mixer

Its more of a baked bready pretzel, not really a bagged crisp one. But I did a mix with it using some brown sugar, caramel, butterscotch and it came out pretty good.

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by TotesMccGoatsover 7 years ago

semi unrelated- i tried a store bought juice about a month ago that was labeled as "hazelnut-caramel tobacco" but it tasted exactly like a sweet'n'salty pretzel, with absolutely no caramel hazelnut or tobacco notes to it. it was weird in a good way, like a fresh baked bakery pretzel, not the bagged kind.

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by ReMaxxUTover 7 years agoTobacconist

Do you like cake flavors? DIYFS Pound Cake. And Angelfood Cake

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by TotesMccGoatsover 7 years ago

2 brief questions: What would be the best sweetener to mimic the thick fruit syrup/nectar of a freshly cut piece of fruit (mango, pinapple, peach sort of thing). is CAP super sweet the general preferred sweetener? also, what brings out the meaty/fleshy taste in mango flavors? i remember reading somewhere that adding a tiny percent of TFA strawberry ripe or something like that can bring out a more fruit-flesh taste in mangoes. Thanks!

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

/u/ID10-T is probably the best person to ask about this.

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by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Sweetener kind of depends on which mango you’re using and what other flavors you’re using with it and might not be necessary. I’d need more info. Same thing with the fruit flesh deal, might just be a case of needing to use more than one mango together.

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by TotesMccGoatsover 7 years ago

I'm going to try a mixture of Mangosteen and sweet mango to get a more... 'authentic' mango flavor, but i was going for something along the lines of: mimicking the sweetness of a fuit's natural syrup rather than the flesh of the fruit itself, sort of like going for a mango sorbet rather than a juiced/pulped mango. what would be the tl;dr version of differences between the most common sweeteners? i have CAP super sweet in the cart right now, but the 'xylitol also good in tobaccos' comment above has me re-considering. as a side note i'm also really sensitive to ingesting xylitol as a sugar substitute, but i don't know if that would extend to vaping it.

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by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

TLDR would take TL to write at the moment but if it’s a sorbet type thing you’re a looking for, a marshmallow flavor might work better than any sweetener.

Have you tried mangosteen yet?

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by juthincover 7 years ago

For fruit, try Xylitol. (Also apparently good with tobacco.) And really, mango is just peach with a bit of pinesol. Marshmallow should sweeten and thicken, tho...

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by TotesMccGoatsover 7 years ago

what are your experiences with xylitol + tobaccos? does it come out like a sugared-tobacco taste or more like the sweetness similar to a flavoring/sweetner dipped cigarello or cuban? (Colt's sweets come to mind)

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by juthincover 7 years ago

It's something I've heard, not tried yet. Just that a bit of Xylitol makes tobacco flavors 'pop'. It's worth experimenting with.

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by penatbaterover 7 years ago

If I add sweetener to an already steeped juice, do I need to steep it again? Tried mother of gods milk and I found it has a bit too much dragonfruit and not enough sweetness to it, maybe sweetener can bring out the other flavors more.

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by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Nope. As for flavor, it won't really bring them out, but EM could reduce that dragonfruit a bit.

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by ferongrover 7 years ago

Recommend me a kiwi and a watermelon. The watermelon sould be more candy than fruity and the kiwi should have that lightly sour, intense fruity flavor.

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by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

Watermelon

LA is probably the best one to start out with. I also really enjoy PUR Watermelon. Both are pretty candy like.

Kiwi

You aren't going to get a sour taste in vape form. From what I remember Kiwis aren't sour as they are tart. I would go with FA Kiwi as it is more realistic than candied. It is slightly softer, a less vibrant flavor. Paired 2:1 Fa Kiwi with TFA Kiwi Double creates a pretty realistic kiwi flavor.

2 points
 
by ferongrover 7 years ago

I'd appreciate a third optoon for watermelon that's more commony available in Europe. I know inw watermelon and FA red summer are recommended though I'm not sure of their exact notes.

2 points
 
by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

http://www.cloudvapours.co.uk/lorann-concentrates/ sells LA Watermelon.

INW Watermelon is pretty realistic and pushed too high carries a pepper note. FA Water tastes like nothing to me. It's their weakest flavor. Others say it's the most realistic watermelon available.

You can go into the side bar under flavor reviews and read both reviews if you would like.

1 points
 
by WorstAdviceROCover 7 years ago

Have you tried FLV Sour Apple? Initial testing for me shows a fairly authentic sour. I may actually mix some up with some Kiwi to see if the apple flavor hides out or punches through.

2 points
 
by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

I haven't gotten around to trying it yet but I have heard this. I also heard it fades too, but it's interesting they were able to actually make it sour. I hope they release a straight sour additive in the future as the ones out currently don't do it.

2 points
 
by bluetirrickover 7 years ago

I vape 3mg strawberry juice that I diy myself with nicotine shots but I am soon getting some 48mg nicotine salt solution.

My question is as the nicotine salts seem to be more effective would I still make my juice to a 3mg mix? Thank you

2 points
 
by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Salts are less potent, 4.5-6 mg is probably a good range. What you should get is a smoother vape and a more immediate rush, compared to freebase nic that can take up to an hour.

2 points
 
by garamasalaover 7 years ago

Why is it so hard to find flavours in one place in the UK? I'm trying to buy:

  • Papaya (TPA)
  • Pomegranate (FA)
  • Sweet Tangerine (CAP)

or

  • Cantaloupe (TPA)
  • Mango (TPA)
  • Papaya (TPA)

I can't find a single place that has all three of either group.

2 points
 
by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

These are the ones I usually check:
https://www.chefsflavours.co.uk/
http://vapable.com/
https://www.rainbowvapes.co.uk/

But what you're describing is just a fact of life, not sure what actual the question is.

2 points
 
by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

I don't know but TPA Mango is pretty crap anyway so if you're dead set on making only one order I'd stick to the top group. In A Godda Da Vida SO YUMMY

2 points
 
by garamasalaover 7 years ago

Yeah looking forward to trying it, I saw your good comments on it. The other is Mike's Melons, I don't know about flavourings but the fruits themselves sound nice. Have you tried that recipe?

3 points
 
by collenchymaover 7 years ago

It's a LOT of flavoring but I made it quite a bit when I first started out. It's pretty good.

2 points
 
by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

No. It might be great, it’s hard to say without actually trying it, but it looks perfumy and a little “dirty” tasting to me just based on the ingredients and the %’s used. It looks like something I might like to vape on an old clearo back in the day but not in a modern RDA.

2 points
 
by nwpulverizerover 7 years ago

Anyone who has got the 2.5 gallon jug of VG from nicotine river - is it supposed to be missing about an inch off the top?

3 points
 
by collenchymaover 7 years ago

Haven't gotten the 2.5 gallon but yup it's pretty normal when buying liquids for it to not completely fill the container.

1 points
 
by Xb741czover 7 years ago

Every liquid you ever buy will have air space. It's to allow for expansion during temperature changes.

2 points
 
by nwpulverizerover 7 years ago

I’ve just never bought a bottle this large so I think the space was larger than I’ve seen. Thanks

2 points
 
by monkeybastardover 7 years ago

I wanna start making my own juice. I really like tobacco except I know almost nothing about how to make a good tobacco recipe. So, what type of tobacco flavors should I get? What goes well with the tobacco? I should mention that I like the tobacco as the main flavor of the recipe but I don’t mind mixing some fruit or anything else as long as the tobacco is at the front

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by ChemicalBurnVictimover 7 years agoresident tobacco expert

I think FLV Native tobacco plays pretty well with fruits. FLV Cured could also be a good possibility, but I personally don’t care much for it. I may be in the minority on that one. FLV Red Burley and FLV Kentucky Blend are great for stronger, tobacco forward mixes. INW Black for Pipe is essential for me. I put it in almost everything to add some nice authentic tobacco notes and a bit of smokiness. Tobacco Absolutes are very handy too. INW Tobacco Absolute Cuban is a bit leafy and almost smoky, Tobacco Absolute Virginia is a bit sweet and grassy, and Tobacco Absolute Garuda is a really fresh, sweet leaf. If you like things more on the RY4 side, I’ve really been digging a combo of TFA RY4 Double with SC/FE Cigar. 4% RY4D and 2% Cigar is a good starting point. There’s a whole bunch of different types of tobacco flavors out there, so if you’ve got anything specific in mind, let me know and I can probably point you in the right direction.

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by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

> FLV Cured could also be a good possibility, but I personally don’t care much for it.

I don't think there's a person in the world who would care for it as a single flavor, as the only tobacco in a mix, or even as the main tobacco in a mix. But I am curious, do you get something off or unpleasant from it if it's used at all?

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by ChemicalBurnVictimover 7 years agoresident tobacco expert

Around .5% I can do. I’d probably still rather use something else, but I can do it. Higher it tasted like a laundromat to me. Like fresh cotton or something. I actually get a bit of that laundromat taste in a few FLV tobaccos, but it’s a lot more faint and easy to hide. But Cured has always stood out.

2 points
 
by ReMaxxUTover 7 years agoTobacconist

Huh... hate to admit it, but occasionally I vape 4.5% Cured as a single flavor. It's a little rough but it somehow reminds me of the old Half and Half filter cigarettes I used to like.

3 points
 
by TotesMccGoatsover 7 years ago

I'm attempting the same thing at the moment, so I don't have the wealth of knowledge that everyone else ere has, but I have read through almost every tobacco flavor review here. What kind of tobacco are you aiming for? Dirty and ashy, smooth and sweet, cigarette esque, pipe or Cuban... I can help more in the direction of Cuban/pipe or virginia tobacco flavors.

2 points
 
by monkeybastardover 7 years ago

Generally something more smooth, even though I like some pipe and cigar now and then. The main problem I found is that most of the tabacos I tried seem very artificial with a very “chemical” taste and smell

3 points
 
by chewingpaintchipsover 7 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Have you steeped the juice? Tobaccos for the most part take a while to develop from what I've heard/read.

3 points
 
by TotesMccGoatsover 7 years ago

take a look at this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/42o9id/mega_tobacco_tasting_note_thread/

personally i'm going with FA burley, INW AM4A and Hangsen cigar flavor concentrate. I'm also going to be mixing these together using FA cuban supreme as a base to smooth everything out. despite the name, cuban supreme is more of a traditional tobacco flavor than a cuban cigar flavor. it doesn't really stand on it's own very well, but it works wonders at mellowing and rounding out harsher tobaccos and adding a small amount of sweetness.

3 points
 
by iveseenthissomewhereover 7 years ago

Something that really helped me learn about Tobaccos is the three part Noted series:

Ep17 Aromatic Tobaccos

Ep18 Non-Aromatic Tobaccos

Eo19 Tobacco Additives

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by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

The very knowledgeable guest on 2/3 of those episodes now has his own YouTube thing about tobaccos called "Fear of Mixing," if you like tobaccos and YouTube, check it out.

3 points
 
by iveseenthissomewhereover 7 years ago

Thanks, I'll check it out.

2 points
 
by monkeybastardover 7 years ago

I discovered that minutes after I posted! Very interesting

2 points
 
by juthincover 7 years ago

I'm gonna be testing a tobacco juice featuring INW Grape soon... I'll let ya know how that works.

But seriously, think of clove cigarettes. They add all sorts of flavorings to tobacco - clove, anise, citrus (bergamot would be a good choice here), berries, chocolate... and of course sweeteners. It depends on what tobacco you use as a base. Although I think if you have tobacco to start with, RY4 Double would probably work with it. Look at recipes from /u/chemicalburnvictim for ideas. He's basically the resident tobacco guru.

2 points
 
by monkeybastardover 7 years ago

Thank you! I’ll try those as well

2 points
 
by Sayleannover 7 years ago

What’s the strongest menthol that’s readily available?
Maybe I’m thinking more spearmint but I’m looking for stings your eyes, nose, and throat when vaping strong.

2 points
 
by juthincover 7 years ago

Menthol crystals. Dissolved in alcohol, you can get insanely potent. Now, is your question really about menthol, or are you confusing menthol (a specific cooling agent that strongly tastes of mint) with all cooling agents? WS-5 and WS-12 are among the most potent cooling agents for a set concentration in solution. WS-23 is about half the cooling of Koolada but is normally sold premixed at 30% rather than the 10% of Koolada. And mixed, the effect of WS-23 and Koolada is allegedly more than additive.

2 points
 
by Sayleannover 7 years ago

I believe I’m looking for particularly menthol and/or spearmint since I like the mint taste dominating the juice flavor.

A few years ago I was chasing menthol around town trying out all the house juices to find the strongest. I found one house juice that was like inhaling a pack of dentyne ice gum everytime you hit it and I haven’t found anything nearly as strong since they went away.

But this was before I knew about DIY so I didn’t bother to ask what they used in it.

Thanks for the insight. When I get home I’ll have to do some research on those cooling agents.

2 points
 
by juthincover 7 years ago

WS-5 is supposed to have a minty flavor, not as much as menthol, tho. A strong menthol with some extra cooling and a bit of added mint might be what you want.

2 points
 
by CoseismicTempest420over 7 years ago

So ive decided to try mixing my own eliquids as the price for premium juice is as you know out of the question, and almost all the ones ive had are loaded with sweeteners. bleh! i have ordered the following flavors from bullcityvapor.. LA Cheesecake FA Zeppola CAP Vanilla whipped cream TFA Berry crunch cereal TFA Blueberry Extra TFA Key lime TFA Sour TFA Strawberry Ripe i have tried mixing a berry medley type juice, it seemed to have been overpowered by the keylime its giving off a sour lime that takes over the blueberry and strawberry. i have linked the recipe below and would love some ideas from you all!

Bendelberry🍇🍓 

Ingredient|% :---|---: Blueberry Extra (TPA)|8.00 Key Lime (Natural) (TPA)|1.00 Strawberry (Ripe) (TPA)|7.00 Vanilla Whipped Cream (CAP)|2.56

Flavor total: 18.56%

Remember to rate it at e-liquid-recipes.com!

3 points
 
by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

It is the right thread for this.

That's a lot of blueberry extra, it gets cardboardy for me up that high. The key lime I'd just leave out. You'd be better off layering some different blueberries and, for that matter, strawberries. I'd look into FW Blueberry & FA Bilberry, also TFA Strawberry (not ripe) and a host of other strawberries such as INW Shisha Strawberry, JF Sweet Strawberry, FA Strawberry, FA Juicy Strawberry, CAP Sweet Strawberry.

Trying to make a better tasting berry blend using only what you've got on hand, though, I'd keep the 7% Strawberry Ripe, cut the Blueberry Extra down to 4%, and lower then Whipped cream down to an even 2%. I'm not saying that will be an awesome recipe, but I think it'll be an improvement over what you've got going on there now.

2 points
 
by CoseismicTempest420over 7 years ago

Hey there thanks for the input for sure. I’ve ordered strawberry tfa, and bilberry. Along with most of caps creams, custards and pastries, and v bean ice cream, meringue. I think this should help out a lot more and support the flavors

-2 points
 
by juthincover 7 years ago

Not really the right thread for this, but... Ok, I wouldn't be making anything like this, so keep that in mind. That said, I don't think I'd ever use that much Blueberry Extra, and I would use the full blueberry trinity anyway. I have no idea about the Strawberry (I can't stand strawberries) but that looks high too, which would possibly mute it some and you might get some off tastes that high. I don't use key lime, (more a Lime Tahity) so maybe someone who has experience with that knows what's going on there. And you might have better luck with FA fresh cream than the CAP whipped. And how long did you let it steep before testing?

2 points
 
by Xb741czover 7 years ago

Long term storage? I mix a gallon at a time and it lasts me almost a year. For various reasons, I don't want to keep it in the freezer. What does anyone think of the available wine preserving systems, either nitrogen or argon, or even vacuum? It's a fruit flavor juice, mainly, if that makes a difference

3 points
 
by juthincover 7 years ago

Fruit volatiles will escape easily. Sealed in some sort of pressurized airtight container (with no oxygen inside), kept cool as possible and not exposed to any UV, the nic will be fine. The flavor may not survive. Maybe sufficient agitation prior to opening the container would help?

2 points
 
by Xb741czover 7 years ago

So vacuum is out, I'm guessing. I think I'm going to give nitrogen a try and see how that works.

3 points
 
by juthincover 7 years ago

I don't know if vacuum is a horrible idea... just your best bet is cold.

3 points
 
by leapinglabratsover 7 years ago

Best option is probably to split it up into lots of smaller bottles.

3 points
 
by Xb741czover 7 years ago

Yeah, that's the plan. Then remove the oxygen, somehow. I think I'm gonna give nitrogen a try.

2 points
 
by FitChemist432over 7 years ago

This is the best choice, but how will you administer it to your down bottles?

2 points
 
by penatbaterover 7 years ago

Try an argon press or cap or cannister? I forgot exactly what it was but basically you put a small layer of argon (inert gas), to block off oxidation.

2 points
 
by CoseismicTempest420over 7 years ago

Thanks for the response, I let my e juice steep for 5 days. I am thinking you are right on the blueberry extra might be adding to the sourness also so I am going to lower its percentage for sure. Maybe buying a few more concentrates that help round out my fruits could help them have a fullness of the fruit not just one profile

2 points
 
by GhostlyRadianceover 7 years ago

i made my first bottle off of a recipe, and now i want to try making something out of INW cactus, capella honeydew melon, and TFA strawberry, and recommendations on % to use?

3 points
 
by TotesMccGoatsover 7 years ago

in my opinion, you really can't go wrong with cactus. i've used it in mixes everywhere from .25% to 4% without much issue. The only thing i can think of though, is from what i've heard, a lot of melon flavorings can give a very harsh throat soreness (not throat hit, but more like 'just comming down with a cold' soreness) and i've found cactus can also do the same in some stronger percentages. I would recommend going heavier on the cactus/strawberry and use the honeydew as a nice accent. I don't have any experience with that melon specifically, but maybe try a tester 10ml bottle of somewhere around 2% cactus, 3-4% strawberry (depending on how you found it in your other recipe) and 0.5% melon (also depending on it's concentration strength) and tweak things from there. Best part is, cactus and strawberry do quite well shake'n'vaped so you can get an accurate estimate of how it will end up post-steep without having to wait 5 ish days between recipe tweaks.

1 points
 
by GhostlyRadianceover 7 years ago

Thanks, im gunna give that a try tomorrow when i mix, ill let you know how it turns out

1 points
 
by TotesMccGoatsover 7 years ago

please do!

1 points
 
by geb999over 7 years ago

If you were going to get only one Vanilla Bourbon would you get TFA, FA or INW? I read concreteriver's review of all 3 and I do understand each of them has their place etc. I guess what I'm asking is for people who use VB a lot which one do you reach for more often? I'm a custard/bakery/RY4/light tobacco sort of person. Fruits and candy when I'm in the mood for something different.

2 points
 
by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

Most people here go for DIYFS Holy Vanilla for that type of flavor. Vanilla bourbon is just a different type of vanilla without any actual bourbon flavoring.

My most used vanillas are holy vanilla and INW shiesha vanilla. Those two usually fit the bill for whatever vanilla flavoring I need.

3 points
 
by vApe_Escapeover 7 years agoTobacconist

Shisha vanilla is great. I also like Vanilla for Pipe.

2 points
 
by geb999over 7 years ago

Is that an INW flavor? Is that the full name of the flavor? trying to find the write up for it.

2 points
 
by geb999over 7 years ago

thanks - I did get that the bourbon part refers to a place or type of vanilla. I have both of the alternatives you mention. particularly like DIYFS HV (it's particularly good with CAP V1 custard). I kept seeing a version of bourbon vanilla in a bunch of recipes I plan to mix. was wondering if it was a flavor I "had to have". seems like one of the vanillas I already have in stock will work as a good sub.

2 points
 
by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

> seems like one of the vanillas I already have in stock will work as a good sub.

This is exactly what I think. I have quite a few vanillas and no bourbons. I doubt it makes much of a difference really.

1 points
 
by GabTheAceover 7 years ago

This may be a long shot but any reputable vendors that ship to mexico? Im looking for people that know from experience because in my country it's kindda illegal

2 points
 
by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

I might be mis-remembering but I think "Sinesiom" lives in Mexico City, you might reach out to him via ATF and ask.

1 points
 
by GabTheAceover 7 years ago

How could I contact him through that page? I couldn't for the life of me find contact info, or a messaging feature, thanks for the help!(☞゚ヮ゚)☞

1 points
 
by ID10-Tover 7 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Oh crap, I'm sorry, you would have to have a membership to do that. Duh. I'll sent him a message that way and give him your reddit account and ask if he'll get in touch with you.

1 points
 
by dutchahover 7 years ago

Weird question coming up.

Coffee. Love the smell of it, hate the actual taste of it. Is there a concentrate that tastes like coffee smells but not how it tastes?

1 points
 
by Philosaphuckerover 7 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2016 - Grack Juice

Not pure coffee by any means, but you may enjoy FLV Irish Cream quite a bit.

1 points
 
by br4d24over 7 years ago

Reupping on nic and PG, and wanted to throw a few flavors into my order. Had a few questions on a few different flavorings:

Okay so first off i want to check out some new good coconut concentrates. I already have FLV Sweet coconut, TFA Coconut Candy and FA coconut - i enjoy all of them quite a bit and they have their own specific uses, but im just wondering if it would be worth grabbing TFA coconut or TFA coconut extra or any other different coconut flavor? Do either of those flavors bring anything to the table that FA, FLV or Coconut candy dont?

Kiwi flavorings, so far i just have FA kiwi and its quite nice, but i was wondering if there are any others worth checking out?

Pie crust/pastry flavorings? This category of bakery juices has got to be my favorite. Just wondering if there are any concentrates out there that are considered "must haves" to get a nice buttery pastry crust type flavor for a fruit tart recipe? So far i have a few and was wondering if there are any others out there worth checking out. (Off the top of my head i have FA Apple Pie, INW Biscuit, TFA Pie Crust, WFSC Croissant, FLV Graham Cracker)

2 points
 
by Bassmuttover 7 years ago

Kiwi double is decent candy like kiwi. I have that and Fa , Fa is my favorite , but the double is ok.

1 points
 
by br4d24over 7 years ago

Thanks for the suggestion, a candy kiwi is not too much what I'm after ATM. In your opinion is fa the most realistic natural kiwi type flavoring available? Have you tried FW kiwi?

2 points
 
by Bassmuttover 7 years ago

I havent. I've only tried those 2. Some people say mixing fa and the double 2:1 is a realistic kiwi , but I usually use one or the other.

1 points
 
by Scratch312over 7 years ago

TPA Coconut Extra tastes like suntan lotion to me. I’ve heard good things about INW Coconut, and have a recipe steeping right now that includes it. Unfortunately, that’s as far as my experience goes with this flavoring. Someone else may chime in with more experience.

2 points
 
by br4d24over 7 years ago

nice thanks for the help!

1 points
 
by Scratch312over 7 years ago

No problem!

1 points
 
by collenchymaover 7 years ago

I really like PUR fresh coconut after a bit of a steep. I don't have all the others though so I don't know if it would bring anything new to the table for you.

1 points
 
by JohannesVanDerWhalesover 7 years ago

I have TPA Coconut, FA Coconut, LA Coconut, and Cap Coconut. Would any of these work reasonably well as sub for TPA Coconut Extra? Want to try this but don't want to put in an order for a new flavor if it only uses 0.25%.

2 points
 
by Oldguynothumbsover 7 years agoWME

Just sub in FA coconut at maybe 0.5%-1%. TPA coconut extra is potent stuff and in my opinion not the best flavouring. But chemical is a great mixer and knows what he's doing.

2 points
 
by chewymidgetover 7 years agoThe Colonel

Used that low you won't really taste the coconut it's just there to provide a hint of a creamy flavor. I personally would just use TFA Coconut at .5% as Extra and regular are pretty similar on the component level.

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