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Howdy folks,
Working on putting together my Black Friday order. There are enough flavors I want that BCF doesn't have that I am going to bite the bullet and make at least one order, possibly two, from other vendors in addition to my BCF order.
So my question is this: Is Holy Vanilla worth it? It looks like the only place I can get it is direct from DIYFS so I'm curious if it so much better than every other vanilla out there to justify buying one concentrate. Or perhaps there are other must-have DIYFS flavors I should add too. I certainly don't see many others in recipes.
Also e cig express doesn't have RF (SC) and I want to get Chai Masala, which BCF doesn't have even though they carry RF (SC). So is there some other vendor besides these two that carry a wide selection of brands and flavors that also has RF (SC)?
Thanks! :-)
Edit: I found RF (SC) on ecig ex but still no chai masala or masala chai. Gremlin doesn't have it either. I am wanting to make u/PerrenialPhilospher's Chai Milkshake recipe.
Edit again: Found Masala Chai on Amazon. There was one left in stock! And it's MIIIINE!!!!!!!
I much prefer not INW Shisha Vanilla and TFA French Vanilla Deluxe over holy vanilla. But I'm in the minority on that one.
Okie dokie. Probably not going to bother then. I have Shisha Vanilla and I use it all the time. When I want the vanilla all up in my face I have Vanilla Swirl so ima save myself the headache of yet another vendor to have to keep track of. Thanks!
PS I thought they discontinued French Vanilla Deluxe and replaced it with French Vanilla Cream.
I have two questions, please. :) As a preface, I just follow recipes I find (Reddit comments, ATF, and ELR)
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My fruity mixes get muted pretty quickly. I'm pretty sure it's not vapors tongue since I drink plenty and switch flavors almost every other tank. How do juices like Reds keep so potent? Is it possible that it's the VG/PG I'd been using at all? The first few bottles were Humco VG (out of convenience) and the newest batch is all Nic River. I sparingly use WS-23 or a mix of that and Koolada. I'm hoping that small amount didn't mute the fruits. On the other hand, the high amount of WS-23 in the Bowden's Mate clone has been phenomenal, even after a few weeks, even with Humco. That particular recipe has pretty much been my only fool proof one. Turns out well every time... my fruity ones? Not so much. 😞
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Did I do something wrong with Grack? It smells really good and I really wanted to like it. But in all of the tanks and RDAs I've tried, fresh cotton and coils, it has a weird taste, reminiscent of Flintstones chewable vitamins. I tried letting it sit for a week or so and it still had that taste. Am I just unlucky to have this palate? ☹️
Just because you drink lots of water and cycle through mixes often doesn't mean you can avoid olfactory fatigue. I get it after 3-4mls of anything I vape. Mix tastes amazing when I first put it in my RTA and by the end of it the mix is almost flavorless. Some mixes are better than others about this. The only thing I've found is to cycle with unflavored every other tank and drink even more water. People often say this but don't give numbers. You want to shoot for 1oz/lbs. So I weigh about 230 and drink 4 of my 64oz bottles a day which puts me at 256oz. Vaping pulls water from you so you have to compensate. With drinking two gallons a day I can tell you it has helped out a lot in terms of tasting mixes better.
The type of VG/PG doesn't seem to matter in terms of muting mixes. I've tried a few different brands and the mix turns out the same every time. WS-23 and Koolada don't mute mixes either. Koolada does some weird stuff with nicotine but not to the rest of the mix. I've never had Reds but they probably use a lot of sucralose which seems to help give mixes more punch and staying power.
Some people just don't like Grack Juice. If you don't like it after a week it's unlikely you will like it ever. Come back to it a few months from now and you might like it down the line.
Thank you very much for your input. :) I was under the impression that menthol/Koolada and such muted flavors at some point down the line. I don't remember where I got that from, but that was the impression that I had gotten.
In regards to Grack, I was mostly weirded out by the "vitamin chewables" flavor. It was oddly chalky.
Thanks again! :)
I'm just curious, do you prefer Glass or plastic bottles for your mixes?
I always mix in glass unless I am doing 10 mL samples. I have this idea in my head that glass is better for steeping/aging but I have no idea if this is true or not. It just sounds like it should be true lol
When I put a flavor into my current flavor rotation I pour it into a unicorn bottle cuz it's easier to drip and refill my tanks from them as opposed to a dropper.
I just mix all of my shit in Mountain Dew cans. Saves me a lot of money
A talk with myself
Bare with me as i write my thoughts which obviously contain questions.
So I received two packages today, flavors, pg, vg, nic and some glass bottles. (Scale came a few days ago)
Boy that bottle of nic sure is small (well duh you doofus, you've been buying 120ml bottles of juice at your vape shop, how big did you think 125ml of nicotine was going to be?)
Being I didn't have my bottles with polycone caps yet, I just put the nic in a cupboard. Didn't even open it yet. (Hope it will be ok)
Btw, when those bottles do come, wonder if I should use that funnel to pour the nic into them?
I know people say to freeze whatever nic you won't be using but couldn't I just use the fridge?
Hmmm, what should I use these bottles for? https://www.liquidbarn.com/collections/bottles/products/liquid-pouring-bottle?variant=1319133232
When I make my first mix, can i easily pour from this bottle https://www.liquidbarn.com/products/usp-vegetable-glycerin without spilling or is it too thick and will go everywhere? Perhaps I should use a funnel?
My small plastic test bottles will be here early next week, after I use them, can I wash and re-use them again?
I'm thinking those pipettes I ordered might be useful when adding nic to my mixes but what do I know?
I used google sheets, to make a form, to keep notes. I wonder if i should add my flavors to sheets, print them off, cut, then tape them to bottles for labels? Sounds like a good idea, I'll probably try it.
...and at this point I can't think of anything else...
Thanks if you can answer anything I couldn't.
Methinks you'll do fine, you'll notice what works when you try it. A funnel shouldn't be necessary, but that depends on the bottles. And you can reuse the small plastic bottles, no problem.
As for nic, freezing what you won't use for the next couple of months might be a good idea, but it's just a precaution and not entirely necessary. Putting it in the fridge won't do anything at all, unless you live in a very hot climate. Just keep it out of the sun, away from heat sources, with the lid secured, and safe from kids and pets.
Pipettes are an ache in the **** to use. I've put my flavourings into squeeze bottles with drippy tops. If you do the same just make sure they aren't LDPE as that will allow your flavours to leach out of the plastic. I think I use PET but I don't remember.
I'm feeling really dumb... But how do I "favorite" a recipe on the ATF website? Do i have to be a paying member? I'd like to save recipes i find for reference later on the site and i just can't figure it out...
Thanks
took a second to figure it out.... but click the star next to the recipe name.
Net Maceration Question I'm interested in NETs and have been reading a ton on both this forum and ECF, watching video's etc. I'm looking for one of the good folks here to help by confirming that my understanding below is correct and will work, even if it's not perfect.
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Put 1oz tobacco in a half pint mason jar.
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Add enough PG to cover tobacco, put lid on.
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Throw these in a slow cooker on low for 24 hours.
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Let cool, run through a metal filter to get rid of the large stuff.
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Filter again: Aeropress w/ 2.5 micro filter to get the rest of the particulates out.
At this point, I'll have NET flavors that I can mix into recipes just like regular flavors, or store for mixing later. From what I read you need 20-25% flavoring to make it work.
For example, if I wanted to mix a 30ml, 50/50 18MG mix of Tobacco X, it would something like this.
5.4 ML 100MG PG Nic Base
2.1 ML PG
15 ML VG
7.5 ML My NET flavor (25%)
I believe I'd then have to let this steep for 30 days or so, and I'd have something decent. Is my fundamental understanding of the process correct?
Thanks!
That’s pretty much the gist of it. I do all of mine cold and let them sit for about 3 months, but the heated maceration works fine too. You just want to make sure you keep an eye on the temp. You want to keep it below 180 degrees F. I’d also suggest trying some cold so you can compare. You’ll get a bit harsher and sharp flavor heated, but a bit more nuanced flavor cold.
Also not really worth it to try any aromatic tobaccos in my opinion. I did a bourbon pipe tobacco and it had no bourbon taste. Easier to just extract some blending tobaccos and add the top flavors in after. Latakia blends have been my favorite, but they all taste pretty similar when vaped.
Just like with regular mixing, it’ll take some experimenting to find out what you like and how you like to do it. I’d also suggest starting your mixing with them at 10%. You can always add more if you want it to be stronger. And it shouldn’t take a month for the final juice. They tend to steep a little quicker. A week should be good. Probably don’t want to let them steep too long. I noticed one of mine started getting a sort of stale and bland taste after about 3 months.
Thanks very much, appreciate it. A week steep sounds better! I'll stick with the basic tobaccos to start, probably check a local shop to get a feel for what's out there. Sounds like it's a constant process then if they get a little meh after 90 days, I was going to make 3 different kinds at once but may have to scale that back or figure how much I'm going to need for 90 days and just make those batches once I have it down to a science. Thanks!
Liquid Barn or Gremlin for Flavorings? Any preference?
Edit: or any other
I started with liquid barn and they’re decent but I would recommend a different company. Something has changed in the past 8 months since I began using them and I will no longer shop there.
If you don't mind me asking what changed?
I've only ordered from them so far, but I've got a growing list of flavours to pick up from other vendors
What percentage do you guys make sure not to go over for your flavor total? Most mixes I've been doing have been around the 15%~ range and seem to provide plenty of flavor.
5%-10% sometimes up to 12% but I usually don't pay attention to it. Just ends up that way. Not really a good reason to go very high anymore. Few flavors require high percentages with the current devices out now days. Most of the time if you wind up at a high percentage either you're using too many flavors or you're using some of them too high.
I remember watching a video once on which Wayne Walker said to consider only the percentages of individual flavors rather than the total percentage in the recipe. This made sense to me because each individual flavor has an ideal percent where it fits in a particular mix. Most of my recipes end up somewhere between 8 and 12% doing it like this. A handful are lower and a handful higher. I have one that goes all the way to 20% because of the strawberry which is notoriously weak and/or fades quickly. Everyone's palate is different and there is no right answer but I think considering the ideal percent of each flavor is a good general rule.
It really depends on the concentrates being used. There is no set standard total % you should aim for in general. Every company's concentrates vary widely in potency. As an example some tfa flavors are on the weaker side and you'll use 4-8% and then there are some tfa flavors that are insanely potent and would never use more than 0.25-0.5%. Simple as that.
So, testing out a recipe idea using a one shot and a flavor. One shot is already mixed and nic'ed up. How would i go about figuring out how much of the single flavor to add to the concentrate? I want like 3% of the new flavor to add mixture (90ml of mixed oneshot). Just treat it like normal when adding to a recipe?
so, after doing some math, does the following sound right:
Add .9 g, and that'll give me my 3%, and only nominally alter the nic and the pg/vg ratio?
You want to add 3% to a 90 ml? Or are you making a 30 ml with the new flavor at 3%
3% of 90 is 2.7 ml, 3% of 30 is .9 ml.
We normally figure pg based flavors at 1g = 1ml. So if you're making a 10 ml mix, 1 percent would be .1g. a 90 ml mix it would be .9g. You want 3% it would be 2.7g(.9*3). But if you're adding it to 90ml it is technically slightly under, because it would become 92.7ml. I wouldn't worry about it, as long as you can easily reproduce it.
Some flavors on Bullcity say warning, saying it contains Acetyl Propionyl and/or Acetoin. Is that something to shy away from?
Edit: the pg look like it doesn't have any kind of pour spout, what do you guys do
most people use "condiment bottles" for vg and pg. you know, the yellow and red bottles for barbecues and stuff. whether or not you want to use flavorings with DAAP is a personal decision. i, personally dont shy away from those flavorings. many people do however.
The potential hazard of inhaling diketones is something you need to form your own opinion about, Google it and you'll find an endless stream of articles and discussions. The general consensus is that it may possibly have some negative effects in the long run but that sensible use should not be a major concern. If you vape coconut butter cream day in and day out, you might reach the same levels as you'd get from smoking cigarettes. So it's not great, but the dangers are blown way out of proportion. And diketones are used for a reason, the DX or V2 versions really do pale in comparison, which is why many simply ignore the warnings. Personally I just don't vape them all day long, but for a mix here or there, I couldn't care less.
Does anyone have a bunch of flavorings they would want to sell via PayPal? Looking to spend $30 and trying to get wholesale prices - If this is not allowed please let me know.
Preference on brand?
I have a lot of Real Flavor Super Concentrates and the One on One cereal pack I'm not going to use and would like to get rid of.
I don’t know if I’d make anyone pay for that cereal pack....
On average, does anyone know what the % of sweetener is, in "Premium" branded juices?
Hard to really apply an average. First question is why? Sweetener is not necessary in any capacity for 99% of mixes. Companies use it to hide shitty juice.
Do I have to be 21 to purchase PG, VG, and Flavor concentrate? I would understand if I had to be 21 to purchase the nicotine liquid, but the other materials I should be able to purchase.
How old are you?
Depends on where you live and where you shop. For example, I've only seen 18 as the age limit imposed by a vendor, but applied to everything they sell, so you basically had to be 18 to buy cotton. I doubt online stores go through the trouble of actually verifying your age though.
Simple answer should be no. You can buy VG in some pharmacy/beauty stores (Can just get it on Amazon too), not sure about PG honestly but it should be the same as VG, and flavour concentrates should definitely not be age restricted. However, if you're ordering from an online store, these will probably require you to be a certain age
Ordering my first batch of flavors, any tips/corrections/additions?
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Arctic Winter (Menthol Artic) (FA)
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Cheesecake (Graham Crust) (TPA)
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Coconut (FA)
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Coffee (TPA)
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Dragonfruit (TPA)
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DX Bavarian Cream (TPA)
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DX Peach (Juicy) (TPA)
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Fuji Apple (FA)
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Kiwi (FA)
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Strawberry (Ripe) (TPA)
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Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (TPA)
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Vanilla Swirl (TPA)
^↑ ^10 ^ml ^bottles.
My biggest concern is that there are few highly rated recipes available on ELR with my choice of flavors (513 total). I sat on that list for three days and researched every flavor. Some of them might not be the best but I am eager to try them all.
I will have to order more in a short time because of upcoming changes in local regulations. Any help for my first batch and suggestions for the second one would be greatly appreciated!
You should look for recipes in this sub and on ATF. The quality of recipes and raters on ELR is somewhat lacking. Order flavors based on recipes. Not the other way around.
Any reason why you are ordering two DX versions of flavors? Just get the regular ones. You probably won’t have any luck with TFA Coffee.
I guess I got caught in ad populum fallacy, thinking those 300+ reviews and thousands of recipes on ETR with said flavor must mean something. However, I would like to try those flavors single first, is there any chance if I hate a single flavor I would love a mix with it?
I didn't thoroughly research ATF's recipes because ELR interface seemed more informative and much neater. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Does ATF have “stash” and “what can I do with all that shit” functionality?
I'm ordering DX ones because the regulars are not available from my local reseller. Should I replace them with something else?
And one more thing: could you elaborate on TPA Coffee, please?
Anyone have experiences buying from EJC labs online or Bull City Flavors? Currently looking at EJC labs and Bull City Flavors right now. I'm also only 20 years old, so I'm not quite sure if I can buy the concentrate without having to ask friends who are 21 and over.
Lately been reading on here about many recipes being lower % than "the old days" d/t more powerful vape equipment etc. Since I'm using a MTL (ego aio) and Cleito, and I've not ventured in to building (mainly concerned about testing coils, buying an ohm-meter or whatever they're called - just not ready to add more learning til I get this stuff down). My question is: should my recipes be slightly higher - say as high as possible without the diminishing returns of muting? The aio especially is hard to get flavors out of. The cleito is better, but still I'm sure, no comparison to dripping or squonking. Thanks for all your help.
Don't think of it in terms of percentages, but more in the ways of flavor profile.
Fruits, candys, beverages and in your face recipes does better in tanks, espacially aio devices. I find bakeries and heavy recipes get muddled and just don't work with pre-built coils.
Damn. Unfortunately Im not a huge fruit lover, but I AM a huge cream/custard lover. Sigh. Whelp thanks for answering. Given that info, if I'm following a recipe I got off here, should I boost it a bit, no matter what the profile? Just given the delivery systems I'm using?
You can buy RTA decks for both the Cleito and Cleito 120 (make sure you buy the one that matches the specific tank). I use the Cleito 120 RTA deck as my main tank and its the best I've tried so far - though there are better I'm sure. In the UK at least you can buy 10 pre-built Kanthal Clapton coils for about £3.00.
^^^ Really didn't take long me to shift from MTL to DTL and it's the most consistently good setup I've used so far. As a bonus I easily lowered my nic concentration from 12 mg/ml to 6 mg/ml.
ETA 80W should be enough to power this setup and in many cases 40-50 will be fine.
> RTA decks for both the Cleito and
Thanks man. That's one reason I got the Cleito, so that when Im ready I can expand. Well, that reason, and the great flavor reviews, and I needed a 22 mm. Maybe soon. It's hard to hear about all the great, detailed flavors/recipes and feel like I'm missing out.
It was a slow and painful road to sub-ohm rebuildable vaping for me. However the biggest jump in quality was moving from Cleito 120 normal to Cleito 120 RTA. Learning to wick takes a little time, learning to clear the very occasional leak is pretty easy too.
How can I smooth out harsh notes from juice that mainly uses kind of harsh concentrates. The flavor is right but throat hit is a little rough. I'm only using vaping at 2 mg and it's ultra premium nic from chemnovatic. I mix at 80/20 I was considering tfa smooth. Also could it possibly be the pg that's giving me that throat hit? Some juices I make are really mellow some not so much. Next question. How can I flesh out sugar cookie? I'm using cap v1 and it's got a very dry top note. I'm looking to make it more of a warm chewey cookie instead of day old crisp cookie.
You'd have to give some recipe examples or flavors you know of that are harsh.
All cap Sugar Cookie v1 8% French vanilla 3% Vanilla Custard 4% butter cream 2% I added some EM after 2 weeks and it's not harsh but now it tastes like butter cream :(
Have you tried cutting that sugar cookie in half? 8% is quite a bit and it already has some EM in it so adding 2% additional EM just muted the mix entirely.
If you're trying to get more cookie flavor out of it you're going to need something like FA Cookie or INW Biscuit/JF Biscuit for that. Jacking up the percentage of Sugar Cookie is counter intuitive.
I went over my flavors for my first order (based on the feedback I received in this thread) to make them more recipe-oriented, how does this look?
- Arctic Winter (Menthol Artic) (FA)
- Bavarian Cream (TPA)
- Cheesecake (Graham Crust) (TPA)
- ~~Coconut Extra (TPA)~~ Coconut (FA)
- Cotton Candy (10% EM/Ethyl Maltol) (TPA)
- Dragonfruit (TPA)
- French Vanilla (Cap)
- ~~Graham Cracker (Clear) (TPA)~~
- Meringue (FA)
- New York Cheesecake (Cap)
- +Sweet Strawberry (Cap)
- Strawberry (Ripe) (TPA)
- Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (TPA)
- Vanilla Custard (TPA)
- Vanilla Custard v1 (Cap)
- Vanilla Swirl (TPA)
Solid list except for Coconut Extra. Straight suntan lotion. It ruins anything for me, even measured at very low %. You couldn't go wrong with almost any other coconut. I recommend FA or Cap.
Graham cracker clear is weird to me. I use the Cheesecake/Graham Crust instead anytime I see it.
Ripe needs another strawberry to make it complete. Cap Sweet fills that role nicely. TPA is the most candy-like, followed by INW Shisha. I have 8 different strawberries, it is it's own rabbit hole.
Welcome!
Thanks /u/coop34 and /u/chewymidget. Made some changes based on your recommendations. Could you suggest one more flavor to make the list more versatile, please? Or is it the time to stop? My wallet hurts already.
Have you looked at the First Order Flavors yet? Your list really depends on how much you want to spend. I could recommend 100+ different flavors but it would be pointless if you don't want to spend that much. You could even get 10ml bottles of everything and see what you end up liking as you go. Grab bigger ones when you use them up.
Chewy told it right about picking up 10ml of things to try. There have been many hyped up flavors that I bought 30ml of, only to find that I don't like them. That adds up.
Comb back thru the first flavors section and the flavor review section. Just looking thru your list, I would like to have a blueberry and banana in the stash. I am not one for cereals, but Cap Cereal 27 is the only one of those worth having IMO. Normal use tastes like Corn Flakes, but low amounts can be a nice accent to desserts/bakery.
I've been refining an order for a while now, with the help of a few people on here. I've decided to up my budget to around $110. I feel comfortable with all of my purchases, except for my tobacco flavors. I'll list the flavors I'm buying...and if people could give me recommendations for what to add/delete from the list, it'd be awesome. Unfortunately, I'm ONLY buying from Nicotine River, and Ecig Express, so the flavor has to be in stock at one of those places, for it to work for me.
Hongtashan (Black Fire) Flavor by Flavors Express 10ml
American Type Tobacco by Inawera 10ml
Turkish Flavor by Flavors Express 10ml
Black Mile Plus by Flavors Express 30ml
Flavorah Virginia Tobacco 10ml(EXPENSIVE)
Every flavor except Flavorah Virginia Tobacco(Nic River) is from Ecig Express. All of these flavors got good reviews... but so do a lot of other flavors.
I'm looking to add 1 more tobacco, and maybe up a few to 30ml... but I don't want to buy bad ones. I plan to mix these with nut/vanilla/coffee/chocolate/cream flavors... but keeping a strong tobacco flavor is a priority for me, as I enjoy it.
With this in mine, recommendations are VERY appreciated. Even if you can just say "this flavor is awesome", or "there are better flavors than this" that helps me decide.
The Virginia tobacco is quite expensive(could get 2 flavors for that price). Wondering if it's really worth it... or if there are replacements that would be better at cheaper price-point.
EDIT: thinking of adding "Captain" flavor by Flavors Express... seems to get good reviews.
Are you looking at tobacco recipes at all before considering these flavors? Or just going on good reviews? I don't see very many people use FE Tobaccos very often. More common to use INW and FLV Tobaccos. You should have a look at /u/ChemicalBurnVictim's recipes on ATF to give you a better idea of the good ones. I'm sure he has some recommendations to your list, too.
I’m thinking he doesn’t like me much. The only time he has responded to one of my comments was about using glass over plastic bottles. I hope he doesn’t try that American Type at 9% like the five star review says haha. Shit tastes like sweetarts at like 2%.
The people who ask questions in these threads are weird sometimes like that.
People who order flavors from vendors should almost always ignore the reviews. Some of those are so filled with comically bad ideas. It's as if a lot of people are mixing for the disposable pens you buy at gas stations with some of the percentage I see people using.
Na, I like you. My list is probably 50% flavors that you specifically recommended to me. And Recipes you made. Sorry if I don't always reply... sometimes I make a change to my list and forget to reply.
EDIT: and I removed that American type like you reccomended
I would ditch that INW American Type. Especially if you were going by the review that said 9%. It tasted like Sweetarts to me at 3%. I’ve narrowed it down to just about anything that INW calls American or US is going to be bad. I think they are making jokes about American cigarettes. If nutty and chocolate coffee things are what you’re interested in, I’d swap that FLV Virginia with FLV Red Burley and FLV Connecticut Shade. Connecticut Shade already has some coffee and cocoa notes in it.
Ya, I've been trying to get Red Burley, but it's not available at either EcigExpress or NicRiver. I guess I'll swap the Virginia for Connecticut Shade, and drop American Type. I picked up "Captain" by flavors express, and INW Dirty Netural Base. Do you know if those are decent?
EDIT: Still looking for one more good tobacco flavor to add from Ecig Express, if you know any.
Captain is a really good one. I’m almost certain it is the main flavor in Indigo Kick Back. Dirty Neutral Base isn’t a flavor as much as it is an additive. It will taste like ashes in an ashtray. One of my favorite Additives. I used to put it in everything. INW Am4a is pretty good. Will go nicely with chocolates. It isnt super tobacco like though. INW Peanut Tobacco tastes like a dark, raw peanut. It is crazy strong. Even one drop in a 10 ml is a bit overpowering. But it is pretty good for a peanut.
Anyone able to reccomend any amazon prime vendors that have good deals on 50-100pcs of 30, 40, 50, or 60ml plastic non chibby gorilla bottles?
Non cub?
Either he means a baby gorilla
or
He means non chubby gorilla branded unicorn bottles.
He should really learn how to spell chub regardless.
One final Attempt to improve my list. I plan on buying tonight. Some notes before reading the list...
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I'm making ONLY TOBACCO mixes, with nuts, caramel, chocolate, smoke, vanilla, coffee flavorings, in background.
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I am ONLY using glass, when possible... I'm transferring flavorings to glass bottles. I bought 40x 15ml glass bottles, so that I can test all my flavors, and have them in their own glass bottle. I'm low on money, or I would have bought more. I don't like the idea of plastic leaching.
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I don't have the money for a scale, so I'm going the cheaper route with measuring by volume. I know this isn't ideal, but it's what I have to do.
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I'm trying to get free shipping from both EcigExpress, and NicotineRiver. $50, and $60 minimums, which I tried to get as "close to without going over" as possible. I'm limited to buying ingredients from these vendors. There are TONS of great flavors I want to try, but they aren't sold here... but tough luck for me.
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I'm pretty fine with all my flavor choices, except the tobaccos, and chocolates.
I have 3 chocolates, and 2 of them are pretty expensive. I feel this is overkill, but I consider chocolate important, and all 3 sort of seem necessary. Open to suggests.
With the tobaccos, I have tons of them. From other people telling me, these are good. But, I'm concerned that they may be too "similar" to each other. Anybody with some good advice on how to improve my tobacco list, will be appreciated(but, unless they're from one of these vendors... I won't be able to get it unfortunately). I'm also concerned that I basically just randomly guessed which tobaccos to get 30ml bottles of. Don't know which I should be buying more of(if any at all). Some only come in 10ml, though.
- ANY advice/suggests you have are appreciated. Even if it's just "I tried this and didn't like it".
NAME|SIZE|COST|VENDOR| :--|:--|--:|:--| Caramel by FlavourArt|10ml|$2.25|CigE| French Vanilla by Capella Flavor Drops|13ml|$2.50|CigE| Acetyl Pyrazine 5% PG by Signature (TFA)|30ml|$5.49|CigE| Hongtashan (Black Fire) Flavor by Flavors Express|10ml|$3.99|CigE| Coffee by Inawera|10ml|$2.99|CigE| Dark Bean (Coffee Espresso) by FlavourArt|10ml|$2.25|CigE| 30ml Glass Childproof Dropper Bottle|30ml QTY:2|$1.50|CigE| Turkish Flavor by Flavors Express|10ml|$3.99|Cig E| Shisha Vanilla by Inawera|10ml|$3.49|Cig E| Hazelnut by Flavor West|10ml|$1.73|CigE| Black Mile Plus by Flavors Express|30ml|$7.99|CigE| 15ml Glass Childproof Dropper Bottle|15ml QTY: 40|$10.89|CigE| Captain Flavor by Flavors Express|30ml|$7.99|CigE| Dirty Netural Base by Inawera|10ml|$4.49|CigE| Desert Ship Blend by FlavourArt|30ml|$7.05|CigE| Black Fire Tobacco by FlavourArt|30ml|$7.05|CigE| Peanut Tobacco by Inawera|10ml|$1.49|CigE| |Discount Code|-$6.69|CigE| |TOTAL|$60.20|CigE| |||| 60ml Boston Round|QTY:5|$5.35|NicRiver| Propylene Glycol|500ml|$5.99|NicRiver| Flavorah Connecticut Shade|15ml|$7.49|NicRiver| Pipette|1.5ml QTY:3|$0.60|NicRiver| Flavor West Graham Cracker|10ml|$1.49|NicRiver| Hangsen Australian Chocolate|10ml|$2.79|NicRiver| Flavor Apprentice Bavarian Cream|10ml|$1.25|NicRiver| Hangsen French Vanilla Ice Cream|10ml|$2.79|NicRiver| Blunt tip Needle 15 Gauge|5|$2.00|NicRiver| Flavor Apprentice Acetyl Pyrazine 5%|10ml|$1.25|NicRiver| FlavourArt Caramel|10ml|$2.25|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 30ml|1|$0.95|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 10ml|1|$0.45|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 5ml|1|$0.45|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) ml|2|$0.90|NicRiver| 36mg Eliquid Nicotine|250ml|$9.39|NicRiver| Vegetable Glycerin|1000ml|$6.49|NicRiver| Flavorah Chocolate Deutsch|15ml|$6.49|NicRiver| Flavorah Milk Chocolate|15ml|$5.49|NicRiver| |TOTAL|$63.86|NicRiver|
GRAND TOTAL: 124.06 US$ (My optimal amount spent would be about $120)
EDIT: added INW peanut butter, took off 2 30ml Glass bottles.
I notice you’ve got Acetyl Pyrazine and FA Caramel on there twice. Not sure if on purpose. A 30 ml of Acetyl Pyrazine should suffice. If you’re wanting to make a whole lot of the Duke, I’d just get a 30 ml of FA Caramel from whoever has it cheaper instead of two 10 ml, and then you’d want to get two or three Hongtashan. Unfortunately they pretty much only sell it in 10 ml. That will be enough to make 333 ml of the Duke. Personally, I’d drop the FA Desert Ship, and definitely only get a 10 ml of FA Black Fire. You’ll probably never use more than .5% of that, so a 10 ml will make 2,000 ml of juice. If you keep the Desert Ship, go 10 ml. It’s a very divisive flavor, and 30 ml is a big gamble on that one. I’ve heard really good things about HS Desert Ship, but haven’t had it yet. For a spice Tobacco I’ve been really digging HS Elder Captain lately.
Hey man, thanks for all the help. Here's my new list. Probably going to order tonight still. Do you have any final recommendations? I'm open to new suggestions still(obviously). But, the most helpful would be if you have any ideas to REPLACE a flavor with a better one, or to ELIMINATE a flavor(because at this point, I'm already over budget).
Thanks again man. You helped me so much. You probably don't even remember, but I got help from you weeks ago a few times too.
NAME|SIZE|COST|VENDOR| :--|:--|--:|:--| Hongtashan (Black Fire) Flavor by Flavors Express|30ml|$11.97|CigE| Coffee by Inawera|10ml|$2.99|CigE| Dark Bean (Coffee Espresso) by FlavourArt|10ml|$2.25|CigE| Turkish Flavor by Flavors Express|10ml|$3.99|Cig E| Shisha Vanilla by Inawera|10ml|$3.49|Cig E| Hazelnut by Flavor West|10ml|$1.73|CigE| Black Mile Plus by Flavors Express|30ml|$7.99|CigE| Captain Flavor by Flavors Express|30ml|$7.99|CigE| Dirty Netural Base by Inawera|10ml|$4.49|CigE| Peanut Tobacco by Inawera|10ml|$1.49|CigE| Black Fire Tobacco by FlavourArt|10ml|$2.75|CigE| Caramel by FlavourArt|30ml|$5.55|CigE| 15ml Glass Childproof Dropper Bottle|15ml QTY: 50|$14.50|CigE| .|Discount Code|-$7.12|CigE| .|TOTAL|$64.06|CigE| |||| Flavor Apprentice Acetyl Pyrazine 5%|2oz|$4.50|NicRiver| 60ml Boston Round|QTY:5|$5.35|NicRiver| Propylene Glycol|500ml|$5.99|NicRiver| Flavorah Connecticut Shade|15ml|$7.49|NicRiver| Pipette|1.5ml QTY:3|$0.60|NicRiver| Flavor West Graham Cracker|10ml|$1.49|NicRiver| Hangsen Australian Chocolate|10ml|$2.79|NicRiver| Flavor Apprentice Bavarian Cream|10ml|$1.25|NicRiver| Hangsen French Vanilla Ice Cream|10ml|$2.79|NicRiver| Blunt tip Needle 15 Gauge|5|$2.00|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 30ml|1|$0.95|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 10ml|1|$0.45|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 5ml|1|$0.45|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) ml|2|$0.90|NicRiver| 36mg Eliquid Nicotine|250ml|$9.39|NicRiver| Vegetable Glycerin|1000ml|$6.49|NicRiver| Flavorah Chocolate Deutsch|15ml|$6.49|NicRiver| Flavorah Milk Chocolate|15ml|$5.49|NicRiver| .|TOTAL|$64.86|NicRiver| |||| |GRAND TOTAL|$128.92|NicRiver+CigE|
Some of the non tobaccos I haven’t tried/don’t use enough to have an opinion on, so I probably can’t help a whole lot in that area. The only swap I feel like I should suggest will actually make the cost go up a bit, but it’d probably be better for you. Replace the FE Turkish with Tobacco Absolute. It’s a little bit more expensive, but every good tobacco arsenal needs a tobacco absolute in my opinion. Inawera makes my favorites, but they don’t carry them on ECX. And I think FE Black Mile Plus could probably be used in place of FE Turkish in most cases. The tobacco absolute will probably also last you a little longer since it’s pretty strong stuff.
Does flavorah.vom ever run sales? I'm already in love with Native Tobacco just as a solo shake & vape and definitely want to try more of their tobaccos. Seems like the DIY sites I've perused are often out of stock on one or two of the flavors I'm interested in.
I've never seen them run sales. You would save some money buying 4oz bottles through them though. You'd be better waiting till the black Friday sales this month with all the vendors to pick up some more Flavorah.
I have tried searching and can't seem to find anything on this sub or on other sites, but I am looking for an Apple Hi-Chew candy recipe. My local vape shop has something similar, but can't seem to find anything noteworthy that I would be able to mix myself.
Additionally, I am not super familiar with apple flavors. Any help on potential recipes, flavors to buy, etc. would be helpful. Thanks!
I think INW Anton Apple, TFA Vanilla Swirl, TFA Sweetener, and FA Oba Oba might be a good start. Something like 2% Vanilla Swirl, 1% Oba Oba, 1% Sweetener, and 2.5% Anton Apple.
What would you think about using FA Fuji for this instead of INW Anton Apple? Again, I haven't used either flavor personally, just heard some poor reviews of INW Anton.
You might want to read reviews of other green apples and maybe try a few different ones to see which one you prefer, but you need a green apple which Anton is and Fuji isn't.
I love those apple hi chews by the way, though the mango ones are my favorite.
whats the general ratio for flavor concentrate? I may be very wrong but I'm guessing 10% flavor concentrate 90% pg/vg? or does it really just come down to personal taste?
Does flavor require steeping before using in the mix? made couple juices right after receiving the flavor. Flavor is muted after two week steeping. I noticed the colour of the flavor itself got darker.
Flavors usually darken as they age. Steeping is when the flavorings interact with the base; such as VG/PG.
Something else is going on. You'd have to post the recipe to say for sure.
I've mixed at least 20 bottles of diy juice. Recipes were found over reddit and alltheflavors. I tried four juices so far after two weeks of steeping and they all taste muted.(I should say weak flavor compare to the premium e juices I've tried over past 4 years of vaping) I used exact flavors and brands and percentage as listed in the recipe.
Rta and Rda I used to test the flavor: Taifun GT3 mini; Skyline RTA; KF5 mini; Kennedy 22; Hedley rda; Rose v3; Hussar single coil deck, Doggystyle RTA
26or 25 gauge k1 6 wraps spaced coil in rta fused Clapton in rda
Recipes I tried so far:
-My dude remix of My man by diyordie (grassy taste and muted flavor)
-Pebbles winner of 2016 contest (can taste the fruity flakes but missing milk or cream flavor)
-Lemon Tart by Dinner Lady Clone from alltheflavor (can taste lemon and cookie but still very weak flavor)
-Dutchie from best of 2016 ( very muted cant taste anything but a cookie like flavor)
This is my Final Check for my first order, for DIY eliquids. ChemicalBurnVictim helped with the tobaccos, and I was just looking for some input on the non-tobaccos.
Specifically, I'm looking for input on the flavors listed below(and whether I should get them).
Coffee by Inawera
Dark Bean (Coffee Espresso) by FlavourArt
Shisha Vanilla by Inawera
Hazelnut by Flavor West
Caramel by FlavourArt
Flavor Apprentice Acetyl Pyrazine 5%
Flavor West Graham Cracker(should I get clear or regular?)
Hangsen Australian Chocolate
Flavor Apprentice Bavarian Cream
Hangsen French Vanilla Ice Cream
Flavorah Chocolate Deutsch
Flavorah Milk Chocolate
Below is my full order, including labware, bottles, etc. I'm open to suggestions on ANY aspect of the order. I'll probably be placing this order in the next few hours, so input is very much appreciated.
Hongtashan (Black Fire) Flavor by Flavors Express|30ml|$11.97|CigE| :--|:--|--:|:--| Coffee by Inawera|10ml|$2.99|CigE| Dark Bean (Coffee Espresso) by FlavourArt|10ml|$2.25|CigE| Shisha Vanilla by Inawera|10ml|$3.49|Cig E| Hazelnut by Flavor West|10ml|$1.73|CigE| Black Mile Plus by Flavors Express|30ml|$7.99|CigE| Captain Flavor by Flavors Express|30ml|$7.99|CigE| Dirty Netural Base by Inawera|10ml|$4.49|CigE| Peanut Tobacco by Inawera|10ml|$1.49|CigE| Black Fire Tobacco by FlavourArt|10ml|$2.75|CigE| Caramel by FlavourArt|30ml|$5.55|CigE| 15ml Glass Childproof Dropper Bottle|15ml QTY: 50|$14.50|CigE| Tobacco Absolute 50% Liquid Concentrate|10ml|$4.99|Cig E| .|Discount Code|-$7.12|CigE| .|TOTAL|$64.96|CigE| |||| Flavor Apprentice Acetyl Pyrazine 5%|2oz|$4.50|NicRiver| 60ml Boston Round|QTY:5|$5.35|NicRiver| Propylene Glycol|500ml|$5.99|NicRiver| Flavorah Connecticut Shade|15ml|$7.49|NicRiver| Pipette|1.5ml QTY:3|$0.60|NicRiver| Flavor West Graham Cracker|10ml|$1.49|NicRiver| Hangsen Australian Chocolate|10ml|$2.79|NicRiver| Flavor Apprentice Bavarian Cream|10ml|$1.25|NicRiver| Hangsen French Vanilla Ice Cream|10ml|$2.79|NicRiver| Blunt tip Needle 15 Gauge|5|$2.00|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 30ml|1|$0.95|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 10ml|1|$0.45|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) 5ml|1|$0.45|NicRiver| Sryinge(slip tip) ml|2|$0.90|NicRiver| 36mg Eliquid Nicotine|250ml|$9.39|NicRiver| Vegetable Glycerin|1000ml|$6.49|NicRiver| Flavorah Chocolate Deutsch|15ml|$6.49|NicRiver| Flavorah Milk Chocolate|15ml|$5.49|NicRiver| .|TOTAL|$64.86|NicRiver| |||| |GRAND TOTAL|$129.80|NicRiver+CigE|
I suggest ditching Dark Bean and Coffee and getting FA Up instead.
Why, is it just better? Are Dark Bean and Coffee not good?
EDIT: any other reccomendations? They don't sell that flavor at Nic River, or Ecigexpress.
Sure they do (here at ecigexpress).
I have mixed dark bean and tiramisu/booster (FA) with some creams to get a decent coffee (almost cuppicino) mix. Minuscule amounts though, they are both very strong. Will have to try FA Up though, maybe it will fit in too if not replace.
I've been combining some of my single flavor tests to see what flavors go well together. Tonight I combined FLV Native Tobacco, FA Orange and INW Gold for Pipe and I totally love the flavor. I used roughly five drops of each, all dripped together in my RDA. All three tests batches were mixed at 3%.
So I want to do an actual mix of 20ml, but I'm not sure about the math for mixing from scratch. To achieve the same ratio that I dripped, would it be 1% of each flavor, or 3% of each in the recipe? I think the answer is 1%, but it just seems like a rather low-percentage recipe compared to most.
It’s probably not going to translate exactly the same. I do some pairing tests like that as well, but when I go to mix I go based off of what I got from the single flavor testing, and what I imagine the end goal being, then it usually requires some tweaking. I don’t have any experience with the orange, but I’ve used Native and Gold for Pipe together, and I think a good starting point would be 2.5% Native and maybe 1.5% Gold for Pipe. Or you could try equal parts of everything and it could work. You’ll have to actually mix them all together to know for sure how they will interact and steep as a whole.
If all testers are the same percentage and used in equal amounts, you'd just divide that by the number of testers, so 1% is correct for 3/3. This kind of testing is only good for a rough estimate of what flavors might match. As pointed out it may turn out very different when you let the same flavors steep together in a mix.
Hey guys, sorry for this dumb question but i saw this: http://diysupplies4u.com/?product=fusion-mix and it seems very cheap for my Country. So i am thinking of buying it. But i am little confused what is it actually, From the looks of it if i choose the basic 70/30 with 18 MG NIC, i am good to go? I was thinking to buy any 10 ML flavor and mix it with 20 ML of this fusion mix. What do you think?
I bought some of the top flavors from Bull City.
I plan on starting out making only single flavor recipes. Being these are concentrated, do you use 5% or less. If I combine any of these, would I use say 3% for one and 4% for the other? (My % #s are only examples..I know they will vary)
Guess what I'm asking is if you combine 3 flavors, do you stay under a certain% combined.
Hope that makes sense, I'm tired Ty
This depends on what the flavor is. They are all different. There is no set percentage.
Look up the flavoring on all the flavors and look at the average mixing percentage to get a starting point.
I was wondering if anybody knew a better version of any of these flavors that is sold at Nicotine River, or Ecig Express. Just want to make sure I'm not buying a crappy version of one of these flavors.
Coffee by Inawera
Dark Bean (Coffee Espresso) by FlavourArt
Shisha Vanilla by Inawera
Hazelnut by Flavor West
Caramel by FlavourArt
Flavor Apprentice Acetyl Pyrazine 5%
Flavor West Graham Cracker(should I get clear or regular?)
Hangsen Australian Chocolate
Flavor Apprentice Bavarian Cream
Hangsen French Vanilla Ice Cream
Flavorah Chocolate Deutsch
Flavorah Milk Chocolate
Is there a reason you are wanting to limit your choices to these vendors? Liquid Barn's Lava Cake is good and I have found that Gremlin DIY as vendor has equal to or lower prices and ships quicker than other vendors.
Make sure you get the smallest sizes of the coffee's as they don't really take much and they're also pretty difficult to use. The rest all look like solid choices to me. Did you have recipes in mind for all of those ingredients?
A duke clone, and basically just tasty tobacco + Chocolate +nut+vanilla+peanut+caramel, etc mixes.
If you have any in mind that use these ingredients, or another ingredient I should pick up to do a specific recipe, I'm all ears.
EDIT:
And actually I got rid of the Coffee by Inawera, and picked up Tieramisu, because I heard it's really good. Dark bean is only 10ml.
Could I sub CAP super sweet for the TFA sweetener?
CAP is four times as strong. If you adjust accordingly, yes.
Uggh I should have asked about this, I got both in my last order not knowing what super sweet was for sure.
Asked this before and didn't get a answer so I think I need to word it different. Is there a bottle supplier that has similar prices to glass bottle outlet.com and ships quicker. There it's $23 shipped for 100 unicorn bottles.
I'm running low on my ADV which is Cream of the Crop(COC) 25mg Nic Salt by Enfuse Vapory but I have 6mg of TFN COC and 45mg Nic Salt COC.
will mixing TFN and Nic salt juices be ok and what percentages of each should I use to get to around 20mg concentration
Sorry I can't answer your question but I am curious about where you get your TFN. ????
The only commercial juice I am still buying/vaping on the reg uses TFN and I think that might be one of the things that makes it so special and one of the reasons I can't come even close to replicating it.
Enfuse Vapory their whole Enfuse line can be had with either Freebase, TFN, or Nic Salt
I bought a gallon of base with nicotine already added. I got 90/10 VG/PG, I know I can mix up to 20% of VG based flavor to get to 70/30 but would that affect my nicotine concentration or is that something I would have to ask the vendor (IE they use slightly more nicotine to achieve the desired level after mixing)
I wasn't paying attention and added too much pg in my mix. What can I do to salvage that?
If you have specifics we can help. But we need to know how much of everything you put in for any good answer.
I don't remember how many grams it ended up being but it was at about half of a 60ml bottle with the flavorings and nic included. This morning I transferred it to a 120 ml and just added the flavors and nic at their percentages for a 60 ml again without any PG this time and topped it off with VG. Hopefully that counter balances it. Letting it steep for a week then i'll see if it came out ok.
I usually mix all of my recipes at max vg, but recently purchased some pg to see if they would be more flavorful. To my surprise, all the mixes with pg are EXTREMELY harsh at 30% pg / 70% vg. I looked through a lot of the recipes I follow and depending on flavor % most of them are 15-20% PG just from the nicotine and flavors. Is it normal for only 10% extra pg to be so harsh?
I'm super new myself so take this with a grain of salt. I've done all of mine 70/30 except one at 60/40. I've mainly played with fruits, and they are extremely harsh until the steep for a few days. From what I understand pg is a flavor carrier so maybe the max VG is covering up some of the initial harshness and off notes? This is the closest to a slightly educated guess that I have, look forward to hearing what others have to say about it.
That definitely seems like a reasonable idea. For now I’ll let them steep a bit and try again after a few days. Thanks for your input!
Hey guys, sorry for this dumb question but i saw this: http://diysupplies4u.com/?product=fusion-mix and it seems very cheap for my Country. So i am thinking of buying it. But i am little confused what is it actually, From the looks of it if i choose the basic 70/30 with 18 MG NIC, i am good to go if i mix some flavor in it?
It's a premix of the bases PG and VG, with nicotine, to save you the trouble of mixing them yourself. If you want nic that strong, then yes, it's just that simple. There are disadvantages to premixes, but if you just want to see if DIY is for you, it's not a bad choice.
so, i have 80ml/0mg(50/40/10) and 2 flacons of 10ml/20mg(50/40/10) and i'm trying to figure out how to calculate the result... can you please tell me the result but most importantly the math behind it? sorry if this is a common question, i tried to google it but ended up more confused..
What is the 50/40/10?
But if you’re adding two 10 ml that are 20mg to an 80 ml at zero, you’d have 20 ml at 20 mg, so there would be 400 mg nicotine total. Your concentration would be 400mg/100ml (80+10+10.) Simplify that to 4 mg/ml.
You could also use the equation V1xC1=V2xC2
V1 is starting Volume (20 ml of nicotine)
C1 is starting Concentration (20 mg/ml)
V2 is final volume (100 ml)
C2 is final Concentration (what you’re solving for)
20x20=100xC2
400=100C2
C2= 4 mg/ml
ooh now i see! thank you.
the 50/40/10 is the composition PG/VG/water that i read on the bottle , probably irrelevant to the question :D
Could someone help me with some math? I want to use Axiom as a flavoring at 1%. It's 80/20 vg/pg. How do I figure out how to adjust the vg/pg in the recipe?
Go use a juice calculator either on the Google Play store or on ATF/ELR. You could even download this calculator from the sidebar.
No math necessary, they do everything for you.
Thanks! I tried with ATF, but couldn't figure out how to adjust vg/pg of individual flavorings. And like the other guy pointed out, it's irrelevant at 1% anyway.
I’ve tried mixing a few bottles now and it tastes like absolutely nothing (which I don’t understand).
I’ve added 80ml of VG and 20ml of concentrated flavour (PG based) and the only time I can taste anything is if I dip my finger in it. At first I thought it was my coil although I’ve changed and primed and still can’t taste anything.
I’m using a smok alien and aspire clieto 120 with a 0.16 ohm coil.
Can anyone please help?
Post the recipe you made and the total volume.
What VG/PG ratio? What percentage of what flavor?
I’m using a Heisenberg concentrate from amazon (Heisenberg E liquid Concentrate Flavour For DIY mixing 30ml - Extra strong premium quality E juice vape https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01M0KTC12/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_QSmbAb7TQS3QA).
I didn’t add any pg as I think the flavour is made of vg and instead added 80ml of vg to 20ml of this flavour (assuming that’s 80/20 ratio?)
Have I messed something up?
P.s no nicotine
> Extra strong premium quality E juice vape
Meh, it's probably just TFA or FW flavors. Those are nice buzzwords though.
I still can't help you as you haven't provided the total volume the mix was made at. The numbers you're giving me lack context.
It's sounding like you added an insane amount of flavoring though. I can't be sure yet.
I probably wouldn’t suggest going the Amazon route, but since you’ve already got it, maybe try it at a much lower concentration. 20% could be too high for it. Also going to be a good idea to try 10 ml batches before you do 100 ml of something you’ve never tried.
Hi DIY'ers, I'm putting together a shopping list (if you have any suggestions about the list, please throw them my way) and am moving towards the flavours aspect.
So I checked the sidebar, and looked through the list. It's just about a year old, so I figure there could be some different favourites by now. That coupled with the fact, I'm not a fan of seemingly a lot of popular flavours, like strawberry.
I think I want to dip my feet in, not go crazy with dessert dishes and such, but maybe a sweet fruit flavour.
Do you have any individual flavour, or 2 part recipes that you strongly recommend? I will be doing a lot of testing with pg/vg/nic amounts, so finding a simple/decent flavour will help a lot.
Being from the UK I was looking at the two main options presented by reddit Chefs Flavours and Vapor Depot however, if shipping is kept entirely to one site, ordering internationally would be totally reasonable.
Off the top of my head a few artificial flavours I would gravitate towards; apple, blueberry, peach, pear, raspberry. Not a fan of artificial strawberry flavours, banana, melon, coconut.
Appreciate any suggestions you offer.
Quick tip: If you can access Bull City's website from UK, search by "best selling" while in the fruit (or any) category. It quickly gives you an idea of what most mixers prefer to use. Even if you can't order, you still get a pretty good idea as to what many others are using.
For apple and pear, I would definitely go for FA Fuji and FA Pear.
TFA has (for the most part) easy to use and inoffensive fruit flavorings, with INW being a close 2nd, just watch your percentages closely.
For a decent single flavor with impressive depth, check out FA Torrone. (It's my favorite single around 3%)
Dude do you even vape? Lol just wondering, seems like a lot of money to spend if you end up hating it, and to be honest if I had tasted my first batch as my first vape I wouldn't have started Vaping :)
I have vaped through an e-cig, and I can't imagine I will like the first batch I make either! Imagine if I didn't like the first store bought brand though? That'd be a nail in the coffin.
Good point, one thing I hated about store bought is the inability to try it. Some smell soo good, but taste so bad lol. Edit: looking at your list you might want to grab some bigger glass bottles, and use smaller 15ml unicorn bottles to carry with you. Once you find your ADV mixing it every 30mls might be annoying.
You sound a lot like me in preferences (except you like peach), so...
LA Lemonade
TFA Blueberry Extra
FW Blueberry
FA Bilberry
CAP Lemon Sicily
TFA Cotton Candy
FA Fuji
INW Raspberry
TFA Raspberry Sweet
I appreciate you taking the time to share these, outside of not knowing what bilberry is, or fuji, those look pretty good! Not too sure about the cottoncandy, but I imagine my sweet-lung will come lol
FA Fuji is the one true apple flavor.
FA Bilberry is part of the Blueberry Trinity (use it with the other two blueberry flavors I listed.)
There's also a Mango flavor I can't recall that you'd probably love.
TFA Cotton Candy is just EM. It can be a sweetener, but it'll also take rough edges off of a flavor. (And lemon sicily can have rough edges at times.)
For a sweetener, I'd suggest getting Erythritol and/or a Stevia sweetener. But hold off on sweeteners, for the most part. Once you can make really good juices without sweeteners, you can work on turning them into great juices with judicious use of the right sweetener.
What % PG/VG do you all prefer
I'm fine anywhere between 30/70 and 50/50 for DL. For MTL I go full PG.
>For MTL I go full PG.
Huh. I never thought of that. Makes sense of course. It's not too thin for the mtl drvices? Do they get leaky (say, refillable pod, for example)
60 to 75% VG works for me. Some recipes benefit from more PG, but most I prefer at 70% VG. Any lower than 60% is too thin for me but any higher than 75% and flavors the way I mix them start to get a little too understated.
Almost all feedback is better than no feedback but holy hell this one is annoying: "I mixed your recipe at MAX VG and it tastes like nothing." I feel like a doctor when the patient says, "It hurts when I do THIS."
"Umm...Maybe don't do that, then?"
How much added throat hit is there from 80 vg vs 70 vg?
It's been awhile since I last vaped 80 vg but I really didn't notice reduced TH. People say higher VG > less TH but from what I can tell, while it might make a difference, your nicotine quality and concentration makes the most difference and TH and second most would be the particular flavors you're using and how much of them you're using. Unless you're sensitive to PG or something like that.
If I want to make a 30ml bottle of juice using pg based 48mg nicotine and pg based flavor, with 80 / 20 ratio, how much of each ingredient should I use? I want to a juice with 6 nic.
This question is odd, normally you would adjust your pg based on how much flavor you use. However, to maintain an 80/20 VG/PG ratio at 6mg/ml, you would use 3.75ml of your 48mg nic and you would have a maximum of 2.25ml of pg based flavors. As already stated just download an app, there are tons out there.
Say I find a good recipe I like online, if the recipe is in a 30ml bottle and I want a 60ml bottle, do I multiply the flavor ml's/% by 2? And so on for 120ml bottles etc?
Yes. But just use one of the many competent calculators online, that way you'll minimize your mistakes.
THank you, I'm using e-liquid-recipes.com do you recommend something else?
if you haven't found it yet, under the wrench icon in the recipe you want to alter click adapt this.
Is the sweetener used in juice literally just liquid sucralose? If so then what about the possibility of using regular sugar diluted in water to sweeten juice? The only drawback I can think of is that it might gunk up the coils.
>If so then what about the possibility of using regular sugar diluted in water to sweeten juice?
Bad, possibly/confirmed carcinogenic things. Sucrose combusts at low temperatures and releases carcinogens. It's not safe to use.
The reason Sucralose (different spelling and molecule) is safe to use is because it doesn't combust at vaping temperatures and therefore doesn't release carcinogens.
> Is the sweetener used in juice literally just liquid sucralose?
it's diluted but yeah, pretty much. CAP Super sweet is a 20% sucralose dilution in pg.
> If so then what about the possibility of using regular sugar diluted in water to sweeten juice?
you'll have to wait for a better answer, hopefully with sources... but basically a majority of the sugar isn't vaporized and instead gunks the coils and will let off hazardous fumes when heated to the temps we vape at.
flavorwest uses fructose in a lot of their flavors.
Hiya! I just bought 100mls of my all-time favourite flavour, Vape Pink's Cookie Butter, and they messed up and didn't put the bottle of nicotine in the package. I'm not mad though, I kind of want to keep it at 0mg. But I remember when I was ordering it, the website said the juice isn't okay to vape without the nicotine, I'm assuming because of vg ratio. Is there any way I can get around this, by adding, say distilled water? Thanks for any advice!
What's the VG ratio?
I wouldn't recommend water. While even 1% will reduce the viscosity, it's going to mess with the flavor and throat hit, as well as causing coil popping. PG is much better suited for this.
Hi! I think it's 70%. Website says normally you would add 10ml of 18mg nicotine to 50ml of the juice. It just says " not suitable to vape without pouring in a QuickNic bottle to reach desired Nicotine Strength" so maybe that just means without adding the nic you won't have nicotine and that's why it wouldn't be suitable? If that's the case, I should just be able to use it as is. Just want to make sure before I do something dumb.
I would guess it has to do with diluting the flavors more than VG/PG ratio. You could pick up either PG or VG and add that like you would the nicotine.
So they sent you 100 ml and you were supposed to add 20 ml of the nicotine? Adding 20 ml of water would be way too much.
Would adding AP to a sugar cookie recipe be the right use? I'm trying to add a little depth/softer cookie taste and texture. Also how does it interact with sucralose and EM like tfa sweetener. What would be a good starting percentage? Or should I add it after at 1 drop per 5ml maybe per 10ml?
> I'm trying to add a little depth/softer cookie taste and texture.
maybe a cake or cream flavor would help better than harsh and nutty. I've seen people use custards for this reason as well.
I think AP would add more of a crunch. I mainly chase cereal profiles and AP is really useful in adding a fresh-out-of-the-box-crunch like quality.
if you've gotta use AP try around 1 drop per 10ml or .5% total.
or 1-2% CAP VCV1.
or .5% TFA Marshmallow
or 1% FW Yellow Cake.
After watching- for the third time - DIY or DIE's show on cake mixing. Would love to get my hands on DIY FS Angel food cake or their Pound Cake? Is there anywhere you can buy it in the UK or Europe? I checked all the usual suspects but nothing stocked.
Finally after many years of wanting to start DIYing I decided to buy everything to get started today. I got the scale recommended in the sidebar ,a recipe from BullCityFlavors, and some pg (already have vg and nicotine). I am just really excited and wanted to post this and ask what are some flavors I should buy next paycheck to start try making my own flavors?
Read and reread the "first flavors" and "flavor reviews" sections found in the sidebar. Tons of time were put in by lots of people to buld that knowledge.
Look over the archived threads also found in the sidebar. And alltheflavors.com has lots of well reviewed recipes to pick thru.
Sorry didn't realize those were there, thanks for pointing me in the right direction though.
I hate how the best resources here can be "hidden" like that. I mean, we can put men on the moon. Why can't we make the most important part of the site display by default on mobile?
With some research, you should be able to find recipes with POSITIVE reviews/feedback that share some common flavors from the first flavors section.
Welcome!
Odd, slightly off-topic question, but... I have two Hadaly clones... which I got mainly to do testing with because they're supposed to be great for flavor.
Unfortunately the little bastards are fucking tough to build on. So what is a really great flavor RDA that is reasonable to build on?
What's the best way to mix juice to combat cotton mouth? I remember trying some candy-like commercial juices and my mouth would just salivate. I'd like to try mixing something like that to vape when I get cotton mouth. Any suggestions?
INW Cactus, TFA Dragonfruit, CAP Cucumber, FA Pear, etc can add a wet feeling in small amounts. But it's better to just drink more water.
Well it's more for when I smoke and no amounts of water can fix my cotton mouth, I'd like a juice that helps me instead of contributes more to the cotton mouth.
Any other suggestions? I've tried pear and cactus with so-so results, but I'm sure there's something better out there
The last few mixes I've done I have noticed my nic smells like AP when I open it. It's 100 mg/mL in VG from Nude Nicotine. I don't remember noticing it having any smell until a few weeks ago. My mixes taste fine; they don't taste like AP. The nic is completely clear. It is entirely possible that it has always smelled like that and I just never noticed it before. But I smell it as soon as I open the bottle; I don't have to get it close to my nose to detect it. Maybe my nose is just getting more sensitive after all these months off the stinky sticks, I don't know.
Has anyone ever had this happen? Does this sound normal? Or am I just a Loonicorn living up to my name?