Another option is to put something else on the scale. This cap for example happens to weigh exactly one gram, then you can still tare if you like.

Good to know! I assume, the extra PG would factor into the final solution, when adding the final PG I would subtract the small amount I put in previously.

I do this all the time with my 5ml testers but usually just add the flavor with the highest amount first then don't tare the scale and do the math in my head when adding the lower % flavors

Huh. i just do the pg or vg first, then slowly add in the smallest ingredients like that, doing the math as I go.

Based off this review I would say no. Sounds like a shitty flavor.

Have you looked at BCF yet? They have it in stock.

Inawera Pineapple is in stock at Rainbow Vapes. Link here

I've used them for the majority of my recent orders in the UK (since they expanded their stock), and they're very reliable.

I waited for it too, two day shipping should've gotten it here yesterday, they still haven't shipped it out :/

Tfa Bergamont is your answer. I use it in all my tea liquids

Jungle Flavors Yellow Cake is a good replacement that I've personally tried

CAP yellow cake 2-4%. I'm enjoying WF angel cake right now as well.

If you go with the zeppola keep it in the 1-2.5% range.

Oh yeah and FLV pound cake is really nice and fluffy too!

What nicotine were you using?

Search this sub for "strawberry milks" from dirty, alltheflavors.com for "god milk", and "moo meadows remix" (moo fields? cant remember). All need 2 week MIN, best at 1 month. I rotate 100ml of at least 1 at all times. If you dont like at least 1 of those, then you are broken:)

It really depends on what is wrong with the mix

If you put in too much of one ingredient then you could just add more of everything else until you have it where it should be. Diluting old nicotine is probably a waste of time and I would toss what you have already made and start fresh.

It took me a while to learn not to get hung up on fixing a bad mix. Sometimes it just doesn't work and you gotta dump it down the drain and start again. Some just need tweaking and are worth the time and energy, but don't waste time on "the worst ones."

Stick to the flavors talked about in the sidebar and in highly-rated recipes you find in this sub and on ATF. Extracts can not be used and random brands may contain things you probably do not want to vape. You also will have no idea what percentage to use those random flavors.

The main brands are TFA, CAP, LA, FA, INW and FLV

TFA and TPA are the same thing. The Flavor Apprentice is the branch out company from The Perfumers Apprentice, which made scents for perfumes. When they first started selling food flavorings they went by TPA and later changed to TFA.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the rounding. If you're referring to people using 1drop/10-30ml then that is kinda like rounding. Most people use PG weight for all their flavors instead of manually entering each flavoring weight. Scale is always easier and faster than using syringes.

As much as you feel like vaping?

The most I make is 60ml at a time as I get vaper's tongue after a few hours. So it takes me a while to get through mixes. 120-250 seems to be popular for mixes you really enjoy.

Once I make a 5ml and deem it worthy of making more I make a 30ml then I wait to see how often I vape it and then make a bigger size accordingly (anywhere from 100ml-1L) . So if it's something I use 1-2 drips a day I make 100ml , if it's something I'm using 20-40 drips a day I'll make a litre. Also short steeps vs long steeps is also something to take into consideration, long steeps you'd want to make more of , short steeps arnt such a big deal to make again if you make a smaller bottle.

If I can vape it all day long I make 120 mL if the steep time is less than a week or two and 240 mL if it needs an extra long steep time so I can get away with making it less often. If it is good but not an adv/edv for me I make 30 mL. Sometimes I only do 30 mL if it is a true s&v and is an adv/edv simply because I have a lot more 30 mL bottles than my larger sizes. I like @Diyalexh's answer!

500ml if it's a recipe that ages well, 120 if it doesn't. I make my trial batches in 30ml and try a few variations on a recipe and let them age and see which one is closest to what I'm aiming for. Buy amber glass bottles from Amazon(make sure the 500ml has the polycone cap). 30ml and 500ml. 120ml pet bottles from bullcity. Amber Glass bottles are nice for long term storage and trial mixing. The 120s from BC are just cheap and I throw like 3 or 4 of em on each order, just to have.

Read over this post as it seems to be what you're after.

I leave all my supplies out except my nic. I keep 30 mL of nic out to work from and the rest in the freezer.

I leave mine out, as do most people. It's always crystal clear.

I leave everything out.

This is just my personal opinion.

I have tried a few different companies and they all taste the same to me. Some VG's are a tad bit thinner or thicker than one another but, generally, they all are the same.

The flavorings used and amounts used are going to be the biggest factors in if a juice sucks or not.

Either making a dilution of the flavor or making a bigger batch of the entire mix are your best bets. It's pretty much impossible to get a half drop from dropper bottles unless you barely squeeze and rub it on the rim of the bottle.

If you are really worried about those asshats selling your recipes then don't post them publicly. Those licenses don't do anything. They are more so just feel good bullshit. Assuming you could prove a company stole your recipe they still would more than likely not give you any legal ground to stand on.

No special wording or phrases are going to stop someone from being a dick.

None of those licenses are legally binding. It’s just fluff

As others have said, the ATF copyrights are not really anything to worry about.

The problem with them is that there are two different categories of Intellectual Property Law coming into play here. Copyrights and trade secrets.

A recipe is copyrightable. When you publish a recipe, you automatically hold copyrights to it. You don't need to put a copyright mark next to it, or even register it. However, registering a copyright is super simple and opens up further damages in a lawsuit.

Unfortunately, this doesn't protect you from someone using your recipe to make their own juice and selling it commercially. The copyright protection in this case would be most useful in preventing someone from publishing a book or website of recipes that includes your recipe.

To keep someone from taking your recipe and using it to make juice commercially, you need to treat it like a trade secret. Trade secrets gain protection through being secret. Trade secrets really only have indirect legal protection (generally through non-disclosure agreements meant to punish employees engaging in corporate espionage). Once the cat is out of the bag, or if it is reverse engineered, other companies are free to use it.

Because you have to publish a recipe to gain copyright on it (to gain copyright, the intellectual property has to be in a tangible form), you cannot keep it a trade secret. You have to pick between the two. If you don't want companies selling your juice, keep it a secret and don't publish it. If you don't want someone publishing your recipe and making money off it (or at least without paying you), publish it and preferably register it.

I am fairly new to mixing - but it is way easier and nothing to clean. I mixed with syringe and measuring cylinder once and then paid $21 for some digital scales with 0.01g accuracy. Place bottle on scales, add juice, tare, add next ingredient etc.

> Is weight really the preferred way of mixing to most?

Yes. Everyone who has ever tried it never goes back to volume.

I’d go, 5% ripe, 4% strawberry and 1% dragonfruit nice strawberry vape :)

Never tried DX banana cream but give this a try.

• DX banana cream 4%
• VBIC 4%

What complaints have you seen? I have not heard of any myself. It’s still the recommended scale.

I've been using that scale for about 2 years and never have had a single issue with it. It's on sale right now too.

I use the LB-501 and it has been pretty good for me. The only issue I have with it is if I am making 10 mL and I am mixing something with ingredients at like 0.25%. I always put my PG in first because it does seem to help it pick up those tiny increments when there's a little something in the bottle already. I saw a suggestion earlier to take that a step further and do the math to add your flavors instead of taring it out. I had the jumping around issue a few weeks ago when we were getting a lot of rain and the compressor on my dehumidifier had just broken. My basement was extra humid that night. It was super annoying but I have mixed several times since then when it was drier and it didn't do that. I am chalking it up to the humidity.

Have you tried different strawberry and cream recipes?

God Milk

Sweet strawberry cream

Strawberryish & Cream

Anyone of these would probably be better than that overrated mix. If you google then you can find quite a few clones of that recipe but I am willing to bet at least one of the mixes I posted you'll end up liking more.

Keep your mixed juices in a In a cabinet away from sunlight, room temperature will do fine. The same goes for vg, pg and flavourings.

TPA Meringue is very similar to the FA version. It's maybe a little weaker, but that's it.

The difference between RF and non-rf is that one of them contain ethyl alcohol.

Maybe check some of the EU vendors [here] (https://www.reddit.com/r/ecr_eu/wiki/vendors#vendors) they maybe ship to Poland, I know some of the UK vendors def ship to EU

Since you are coming into this blind, I suggest checking out the sidebar for the sub. There is lots of helpful info there to get you jump started

Couple of post, maybe help you out

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/6dy00c/list_of_equipment_and_supplies_links_for_anyone/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/6xzxph/weekly_new_mixers_questions_thread_week_of/dmt2nwq/

Have you looked through Alltheflavors top rated recipes for things that sound good to you? That's the best way to start mixing in general. Buy flavors for recipes rather than what sounds good. You'll end up with a graveyard of shitty concentrates otherwise.

If you have your single flavourings left just play with them. Take the Blue Raspberry and mix it with Gum cotton candy 50%/50% or any other combination. Don't take it too serious just keep notes and as /u/chewymidget mentions visit alltheflavors for inspiration.

Just lower the percentage? You are thinning the flavour out by adding unflavoured so it should be that easy.

10 and 30ml come with drip tips. That option is for 4oz and up.

Not straight nutmeg, but check out FW Pumpkin Spice

TFA Holiday Spice should be a pretty good fit. It's super potent tho so I wouldn't use it over 0.25% personally. You may be able to push it a little more but I haven't messed with it enough yet.

You would be better off posting to DIY Classifieds, but after you do that you could crosspost with the link.

1.) I've used LorAnn's and TFA's and most of them are the same. Most companies either use citric acid, malic acid or a combination of both of them.

2.) I don't use it anymore. It gunks and mutes like sweetener. But when I did I used TFA Sour.

3.) The "Sour" flavor should be good right off the shake. The problem you're having is that you can't really create a sour flavor in vape form. The taste receptors don't really pick it up. There are a few juices out there that are legitimately sour and no one really knows how they do it. With the current sour additives out non of them really create the sensation. I'm not sure on LB's Sour but the others have the same sort of issues you listed. I've tried TFA Sour all the way up to 3% and the only sour I get is when the juice spit back into your mouth.

Maybe someone else has found the magic but last I heard it was still not attainable in vape form.

I use FA Sour Wizard 0.25%-0.35% but it's not crazy puckered lips sour, it's a hell of a lot better than tfa's sour. WF sour blue raspberry candy concentrate is the closest I've tasted in vape form.

1% should do the trick for a more mild menthol sensation.

kinda depends on what concentrate or concentration of menthol you're using.

1% of a low % menthol dilution won't be all that cold. i usually make 10% dilutions and use .5-.75%

That flavor separates and you have to shake it up real hard every single time you use it. Seems most likely that it sat too long in some kind of container at RTS and then that container wasn't shaken or otherwise mixed up good before they dispensed it to you. Do flavors ever spoil? I dunno, probably. But they definitely use their potency over time. And it could also be the bottle. Though most likely sounds like a separation issue. I find LT CP to be a good straight-up lime juice flavor, probably the most natural lime-juice tasting flavor I've had, and definitely not at all like burning plastic.

So I am looking everything over a bit closer, and I think your goal and your budget are going to be in a pretty big battle with each other. I agree that you should probably shoot for the kit at Nic River, then add on some FLV to top it off. If you’re dead set on that Duke clone exactly how I made it (assuming you’re using mine), then you’re going to need to order from 3 different places unless you want to completely scrap that Nicotine River order.

So what I would do: get the kit from Nic River, and get the FA Caramel and Acetyl Pyrazine through there. Throw some HS Australian Chocolate in with those 15 flavors. Add on your FLV stuff, and include FLV Cured. Go to ecigexpress and pick up the Hongtashan and the other FE flavors. Make the Duke like:

Hongtashan- 3%

Acetyl Pyrazine- 1.5%

FA Caramel- 2%

FLV Cured- 1.25%

Just a few days ago I put together a shopping list for someone looking to get in to DIY with that starter kit. I gave him recipes for every flavor I recommended, but you’ve got some slightly different goals. If you’re interested just hit me up and I can try that for you if you go with the kit. Just to make sure the recipes don’t suck, I’ll even mix them up to test them out. Hell, I’ll send you samples of them. Let me know.

honestly, if you're gonna do the syringes and what not, I'd order the starter kit at nic river. 50 bucks, gets you the labware, the 60ml bottles, the pg, vg, and nic, and 15 flavors, many of which i saw on your list at ecig. frankly you'd be able to scale them back to...the fe flavors, and mebbe the inawera and bottles, cutting your cost there.

E: Disregard, your initial shopping list looks fine. Go all in, I'm sure you won't regret it.

> 1.) Need Cream.

TFA Bavarian cream is godly. FA Vienna cream is useful.

> 3.) Need to eliminate a Chocolate, or two... but it's the most important flavor next to tobacco, so don't want to be stuck with 1 or 2 bad ones, then I can't make chocolate tobacco mixes.

Drop INW milk chocolate. it was reformulated and mostly tastes like bandaids now.

> 5.) Don't know if my bottle purchases make sense.

Looks fine but the general rule is to buy more bottles than you think you need. you can re-use glass but i've always found that it's cheaper in the long run to buy 50-100 LDPE bottles at a time. it's also really helpful to have larger LDPE Dispensing bottles for your VG and PG. at least 120ml. Nicotine is best kept in the freezer to prolong life but it's a good idea to keep a working 30ml bottle of nicotine out so that you don't have to wait for it to thaw every time you want to mix.

> 6.) Don't know if my syringe purchases make sense.

don't bother mixing by volume. It's good practice to have pipettes around in case the flavors you buy don't come in dropper bottles. buy a scale.

> 7.) Don't know if my Flavors/Tobacco Flavors/PGVG/Nicotine ratio is correct in this order. Don't want to be stuck with tons of leftovers, because I run out of one substance way too early.

It doesn't say how much VG/PG you're buying but buy more VG than PG. I don't know much about tobacco flavors. are you basing your other flavor purchases off recipes or ideas? the nicotine should be ok. a higher MG would be better and last longer. with 36mg you'll need to use 2.5ml in a 30ml mix to reach 3mg/ml but only .9ml for 100mg/ml base.

> 8.) Trying to save as much money as possible. Coupon codes for these vendors, or an idea for a new vendor is appreciated.

check out gremlinDIY. they're good people.

> 9.) I've already spent MANY hours compiling this list. I'm starting to get impatient, as I'm running out of E-juice, and will need this to be shipped soon. I'm really not trying to read 20 pages at this point. I've already devoted so much of my life to this. I just want it to be shipped so I can start mixing... I just don't want to end up regretting my order, considering I can't make a second, due to financial limitations(no job).

half of this hobby is reading those 20 pages, i think you'll be disappointed if you rush it.

your best option, to save the most money and come out with something you like, is to follow one or two well reviewed recipes and buy those flavors to start with. hopefully one of the tobacco enthusiasts here will point you in the right direction.

it's also worth mentioning that most coffee flavors are garbage. though i don't know if those specific ones are horrible i'm probably not too far off.

> The MAIN reason I'm buying this stuff is to clone the Duke

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/1456239/Indigo%20The%20Duke%20clone%20v2

by /u/chemicalburnvictim

>because I can't find Tobacco Symphony

http://www.inawera.com/tabacco-tobacco-symphony-comestible-flavour-10-ml-p-1067.html

Didn't look very hard though. and i don't know anything about buying directly from INW.

>I've spent probably upwards of 30 hours looking for good tobaccos, but have no way of telling. On websites, the reviews are 5 stars for pretty much ever flavor there, so reviews are useless.

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/flavors?q=tobacco

Vapers Tek has Tobacco Symphony, INW Tobacco Absolute Garuda, INW Tobacco Absolute Virginia, INW Tobacco Absolute Oriental (very hard to find in stock anywhere else), INW Gold Ducat, and INW Sweet King is pretty creamy and good with tobaccos. This weekend they have a sale. Inager35 gets you 35% off, and shipping is $2.77.

Didn't read your whole post, but the noted podcast has three episodes going through all of the best tobacco flavors and explaining their uses. Imo it's the definitive info source for finding tobacco concentrates that might work for you. Such a great source of info. So lucky to have it available to the community.

Maybe this will help you out: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/662iu8/have_a_question_i_mustachio_whats_the_flavor_of/

I have CAP pancake syrup, but it's more Mrs. Butterworth's to me than actual maple, so it didn't really fit what I was going for.

I heard from fresh03 and TVC on the fresh from the kitchen show that TFA pancake is a pretty accurate pancake flavor. I ordered some recently but haven't tried it yet, apparently it's a pretty good pancake concentrate though.

Like at a discounted “pack” price or something? You could just fill a cart up with everything you want to try. If you’re interested in Inawera, Vapers Tek has a sale on them this weekend. Inager35 for 35% off.

Bull City has recipe packs that I believe have a bit of a discount.

Yes. I can tell you exactly what to do.

Go back to ATF and hit the "What Can I Make" again.

Now go over to the filter, get that drop down menu.

Scroll down until you see where "my flavors" is checked.

Change that to "+1"

Now click on the magnifying glass.

What happens?

Have you tried anything using TFA Strawberry (not Ripe), CAP Sweet Strawberry, JF Sweet Strawberry, INW Shisha Strawberry, or RF(SC) Strawberry?

I'm a noobie but I can say that FA Strawberry (red touch) combined with CAP strawberry sweet creates a heavenly strawberry flavor imo. Also, lots of people say inw shisha strawberry tastes quite jammy. Also, FA black currant added to another fruit can give a jam/jelly effect - Fresh03 swears by that flavor.

You can’t shake n vape with RF VG flavors. Those require steeping. That’s an unnecessarily complicated recipe IMO. Part of the problem with ELR is that it contains a bunch of people who don’t know what they are doing.

Give FA Hazelnut(hazel grove) a go. Much more realistic and non creamy you can pick up some of the Hazelnut peel in that flavouring. But you can't replace it 1:1 you have to tweak and fiddle.

May I ask what % you have been using the fw at? I like it around 0.5%

No eBay. You don’t know where those flavors are coming from. It really is going to depend on where you live. I recommend you skip the syringes and mix by weight instead.. Nicotine River is probably your best bet if you are stateside. Don’t limit your self to TFA only flavors. You’ll want to find recipes before you choose your flavors.

I've done a lot of math on this (although I suck at math) but even with the Halloween sales, nobody beat Nic River (even though they didn't have a sale!) This is including shipping too, I didn't get the free shipping from Nic River this last time. They are just consistently cheaper than the rest on 90%+ flavors, their nicotine is good, and they have been (so far) reliable on shipping.
I've also kept notes on shipping times since I'm new and trying to find my "go to" supplier. Here's what happened:
-Nic River (4 orders) average 4 days
-Gremlin (1 order) 4 days
-Ecigexpress (1 order) 3 days
-Nude Nicotine (1 order) 20 days
-Carolina Xtracts (1 order) 4 days

 
So for an extra day I save $10-$20 depending on how large my order is. If it's over $60 and I get free shipping from Nic River, I save even more. There's no question in my mind who to buy from, plus, I like how NR puts pics on their flavor bottles, it makes it so much easier to see for an old fogey like myself who wears glasses.

don't mean to sound like i'm getting paid by them or anything, but that starter kit from nicotine river really works. $50, and with the cost of the nic, pg, vg, labware, and bottles taken out of it, the 15 flavors breaks down to like $0.37 each if you use the coupon "welcome" (knocks like 2.50 off). add one more flavor into the order and boom, free shipping.

Best bang for the buck I've found yet.

You'll regret the suringes, I got them because I was broke, huge mistake. The scale is back down to $22 if you can afford it, strongly suggest you get it. Turns a 20 minute job into 5 minutes if that. If you really can't afford it, put some tape around your suringes, or mark them with a better marker or something. The numbers and lines will rinse off after 2 or 3 cleanings.

Bull City seems to have INW grape in stock.

They are most likely using something not available to the public. Everything I have ever read about sour juices is that it’s not possible/extremely difficult to do when mixing your own.

Max VG means nothing except for no added PG besides the flavors.

MTS is probably harder to use because it has more stuff in it than TFA Smooth so there are more possibilities for a bad reaction between it and whatever you're adding it to, but they're pretty similar. MTS is really good for doing what it says it is going to do, making things thicker and smoother. TFA Smooth is more smoothing out harsh notes and emulsifying without the thickening. Both are as likely to ruin your recipe as fix it though by over smoothing (muting) your flavors. Both can be fun to play with. But I wouldn't recommend them unless you've already ruled out other ingredients that could easily do the same things, like TFA Whipped Cream, Marshmallow, Dragonfruit, etc.

The best answer is that both of those additives are highly unnecessary. I have never used them and I have never seen a recipe that does use them.

That concentration is considered Hazmat by DoT/FAA as far as I know.

Might try this and see if any places on that map sell their flavors.

Is this what you are looking for? https://www.cig-eliquid.co.uk/DIY_e-liquid_Flavours/cat649231_1182624.aspx

Not really, adding flavorings will lower your nic levels and change the percentages for your VG/pg. Read the side bar, it's super helpful explaining what you need to diy.

The basic steeping guidelines apply by flavor profile, though this may differ depending on the flavors used.

/u/BCV_Jeff May be able to answer that

Or /u/BCFInventoryGuy

We have some more on the way to us!

It’s a safe bet that it’ll be cheaper.

For larger batches it is fine to mix a big one and separate in to smaller bottles, but you’ll want to let it steep in the big batch before you transfer it.

Small bottle of nicotine in the fridge should be fine. I transfer mine in to 30 ml glass bottles and keep my working bottle on my desk and the rest in the freezer. Never have it go bad in the time it takes to use the room temp bottle.

If you mix by weight you won’t need any beakers. Just mix right in to the bottle you’ll use. It can be a pain in the ass transferring juice from a beaker to a bottle. Just easier to go right in to the final bottle.

Going through here will answer most of your questions about getting started. In short, you need VG, PG, flavors, nicotine, and bottles. Highly recommend you get this scale as well. If you don’t want to mix by weight to start off (though, again, it’s highly recommended) you’ll need syringes to measure. Depending on how deep you want to dive in, you can get started for probably $50-$100.

For flavors, search ATF and get flavors from highly rated recipes. You can search recipes for “lychee” and sort by rating.

General consensus around here is to use nic PG based because is thinner so is easier to handle.