No steeping required when water is present in base?

submitted about 8 years ago by gorman42

In a Facebook group I follow the following text from a German group has been posted.

https://www.facebook.com/Dampferfakten/posts/1988891701347419

I don't know if there are German speaking members here, otherwise Google Translate produces an understandable result.

The gist of it is that it's water that dissolves the different aromas in the mix. And if you use an exclusively PG/VG the steeping process is needed to make use of their hygroscopic properties.

Any thoughts on this? Does it make sense? Experience tells me otherwise but still... I thought it was worth sharing.

Comments

10 points

by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years ago

Distilled water is said to add a wetness or to thin out heavy VG mixes. It’s not going to magically erase steeping time. Water may be better for allowing the flavors to disperse throughout the mix, but adding enough of it to have this effect would ruin the juice

3 points

by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

It's not even better. Almost all our flavors have abysmal solubility in water.

1 points

by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years ago

Yeah, I assumed this was just BS

2 points

by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

Just some dude talking out his ass.

3 points

by derrpy_derpabout 8 years ago

I cut my VG with 10% DW as I do not add PG to my mixes.

I usually make a base of 90/10 VG/DW and that keeps my tanks happy even in colder weather. This is needed as just VG and flavoring isn't enough to keep things flowing well.

I would advise not using too much DW as it will cause your juice to bubble and pop vice vaporizing.

Steeping time is still the same with me.

1 points

by br4d24about 8 years ago

Ugh I hate that. After I wash my attys I get that effect if they aren't dried off. Thin whispy vape, barely any flavor and all crackly and hissy.

2 points

by kntredbeardabout 8 years ago

What is the percentage used? I have been mixing for years, but have never used distilled water

3 points

by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years ago

It would have to be a large amount to have any effect on actual steeping time, rendering the juice unvapable. I’m calling bullshit on this one

3 points

by gorman42about 8 years ago

Don't shoot the messenger. I posted it here out of curiousity, nothing else. :)

4 points

by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years ago

Of course!

1 points

by gorman42about 8 years ago

It tends to be 10% for what here in Europe is called "traditional base". 60%PG, 40%VG, 10%H2O.

8 points

by lite_ackerabout 8 years ago

Giving 110%! Cheeky Europeans...

2 points

by gorman42about 8 years ago

Sorry. My bad. It's 50PG/40VG/10H2O.

This is what Flavor Art used to sell as "Traditional Base".

2 points

by BertChrystlerabout 8 years ago

I started mixing a few months ago and after I got a tip from a coworker who mixes with water I started to do 75vg/15pg/10h2o. I know its not common here and is often talked down but I really think it improves the juice for me. Mostly in rta's and rdas but my SO only uses tanks and has really like it as well. The only real difference I find is a little thinner juice and maybe a slightly sharper and wetter cloud. Steep times are two weeks usually, no different from any non h2o juice I brew.

-1 points

by 3423553453about 8 years ago

How much do you add ?

3 points

by 0ptimusRhymeabout 8 years ago

Looks like 10%

1 points

by 3423553453about 8 years ago

daaamn, that seems insane.

2 points

by 3423553453about 8 years ago

I wouldn't be surprised if it cuts the perceived 'steep time' to some extent but at a cost, to some extent. It will change the overall viscosity so things in it can move around and do their thing more easily.

1 points

by Marikc1about 8 years agoMixologist

I've been doing this for 4 years now and steeping isn't "required". I seriously doubt water has any effect on lowering steeping time. That wouldn't make a lot of sense to me.

1 points

by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

This is fundamentally wrong, and a basic understanding of chemistry (solutions and solubility) would disprove his statement about water dissolving the aromas better. Nearly all our flavors have abysmal solubility in water. The best for dissolving our flavors is ethyl alcohol(that's safe to vape, at least) with PG being second, and VG not far behind.

-5 points

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