It'd be nice if people backed up their opinions with data. There is far too much groupthink taking place here. Imagine, if you will, that everybody started DIY from a clean slate, with no "common wisdom" to rely on. Would we be at the same place? What, if people were actually held to task to produce evidence for their opinions beyond anecdotes? I'm not referring to you personally, btw.

Anecdotes =! Data, and correlation =! causation. Did you know that today I learned mechanical agitation by a paint shaker is worthless? Although very similar to shaking by hand, a paint shaker ran for 1 or 2 minutes is not effective, and magically ruins juice from it's simple existence?

That last part was my contribution to the logical fallacy stream that flows deep and wide around here. Listen, I don't give enough of a shit about DIY to spend the type of $$$ I do forming data about it, but if you want to truly learn about something, scientifically testing ideas and gathering repeatable data while ignoring the parakeets is the only way. Not that is necessary to make good juice, but niether is relentlessly repeating the same unverifiable absolutism ad nauseum.

I travel the country working on and racing a certain type of car. People told me for years I was "doing it wrong", just accept the common wisdom. Well you know what? Common wisdom didn't set records, win championships, and pay for that hauler I'm sure several of you saw on youtube this past week.

I mentioned in the recent past that I was doing a legitimate experiment with using temperature and agitation not to "speed steep", but to measure what increasing entropy in a mixture does to flavor volatiles, specifically the ever-so-prickish TFA Pineapple. I found out some very interesting things... For instance, is it possible for heat to stabilize a mixture? Can not mixing your juice thoroughly enough actually cause a worse loss of volatiles than agitation to the point of foam formation?

See, to answer that would go against the groupthink, and so I choose not to post any results whatsoever. Funny enough, I was considering posting it after I get back from next weekends race, as the lab I use, as well as the race, is in Iowa, and I'll have more of a chance to get an interpretation from the man doing the testing. I know there is a certain few who would appreciate it, and I will PM them as such. For the rest who need absolution in the form of absolutism, may I suggest religion.

Eh, it's alright. How do you force tens of thousands of people to use the search bar? You can't, but this sub is a lot better than it used to be.

Destroys aromas and kills flavor faster.

Nothing is better than just simple time.

There's no such thing

im fukn fancy god dammit. and classical liek nudie mags

Regular steeping is fine for that. Leaving the cap off lets more than alcohol evaporate.

I've never had a problem with those that steeping doesnt take care of. But, I steep most juices for a couple of weeks before trying.

First they reformulate without telling anyone, now they sell eLiquid coloring. A new low?

No shit? Huh, well, I haven't bought supplies in a while, I'm a little "out of the game"

I feel that some questions about bottles are warranted. Do you have good or bad experiences with bottle x, where can I find a supplier for bottle z, etc. Most of the time these exact questions aren't already answered on the sub and someone actually comes up with solid input. I like those.

What gets me are the "Should I store my nicotine in the oven in this totally janky and probably sentient bottle made of mold?" posts, and other such posts that are handled in the side bar.

I made the mistake of not getting enough bottles my first order. Just got 20 more and am almost done with like 3 "premium" bottles. Hopefully that'll be enough.

The OP read like it was serious but from the comments I wasn't sure because they mostly just seemed to be jokes and not really constructive.

As far as the other stuff, I get it. No one wants to deal with low quality posts. It gets really old after a while to have people put in zero effort and want everything handed to them no matter how passionate you are about the subject.

Its one thing to spend some time doing your research and then formulate some questions you just aren't sure about because there is a lot of bad/conflicting information out there and sometimes its nice to have real time input from other people rather than reading another article.

A well developed sidebar is a good thing. It may not answer everything you need to know but it can get you well on your way and give you more specific questions to ask and because of the way reddit works its the closest thing you can have to a real sticky like you would have in a true forum. It gives you easy access not only to general and introductory information but threads that would otherwise be long since buried.

Still, not everything can be answered through the sidebar or a search. For most of these general questions there is the New Mixers thread which I think is kind of a misnomer and view it as more of a Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread thread. It also makes it easier to find things by grouping similar questions together the same way the sidebar does.

Same thing with the weekly recipes thread. Instead of searching page after page looking at individual recipes you get a months worth all lumped in together. This is even more beneficial for the "What can I make" threads because there is no easy way to search all the recipes here looking for recipes that contain only the flavors you have. It also allows others to look and find new recipes since a lot of people have the same flavors.

Bottom line I think there are things that can be improved and things that I really like about the sub. I don't think there is a perfect sub or forum for everyone and there will always be improvements to be made. I don't think anyone should be afraid to post. I think people should just stop and think if the post is really necessary and if any discussion could come out of it. If its a yes or no question or something that is answered in a single reply then it really doesn't deserve its own thread. There is nothing to really talk about and once an answer is given its pretty much done.

I do think there is a fine line between separating the wheat from the chaff and stifling discussion and its something that should really be handled on a case by case basis rather than blanket bans on something and something that should be thought about when making new rules for the subreddit. "Will this actually stop people for posting low quality low effort posts?" "Will it inhibit discussions of value?" and "Is the amount of reduction of low quality posts worth the possible decline in quality discussions on a certain topic?"

I don't know. Its something to think about. I personally think a case by case approach would better serve the community here but that isn't my decision to make.

I think its pretty clear that there are a lot of people here willing to speak up if someone breaks a rule or shitposts and surely at least one of those will report it at which point a mod can remove it. If there aren't enough mods to keep it under control then perhaps new positions should open up or a more restrictive filter could be used for posts and then a mod could come through and approve the good ones when they have time. I think that would solve the problem without cutting out possible positive discussion on any given topic. I don't think any kind of hard and fast rule will ever be productive. Policing the sub is a good thing, over-policing to the point of suffocation is not but finding the right balance isn't always easy.

>What I fear most are affirmative actions of sober and well-intentioned men, granting to government powers to do something that appears to need doing.

>-Robert Heinlein.

I also use a cheap milk frother when I mix in a beaker. Works really well.

I also use a cheap milk frother when I mix in a beaker. Works really well.

How have I not thought of this... I put a funnel on top of the 30ml and dump juice from the beaker but this sounds so much easier.

Basically, you end up spending more for less. The flavors included are one's you don't know if you'll like. Syringes might seem like a good idea but they end up being such a huge pain in the ass that it's better to invest in some condiment bottles and a scale at the beginning. Sometimes they include crap you don't really need like beakers, mixers, etc.

I get the aspect that u/gunsanonymous is talking about, but I only ever buy from two places (minus Amazon when I bought the scale/condiment bottles). Heartland Vapes for PG, VG, Nicotine, and bottles and Bull City Vapor for the flavors. Both of those places sell everything on their own (minus scale/condiment bottles) but I like HV's bottles and I like Bull City's flavor selection better.

This is coming from someone who bought a starter kit and ran with it for awhile. It's not bad, it's just not efficient once you move from total beginner having never touched the stuff to beginner who wants to experiment and learn.

From what I've been able to gather from reading no one recommends starter kits because there isn't a complete one, they all have something missing to make it easier or more accurate and because it's more expensive then buying everything seperate.

And I don't dispute that at all, like I said it's easier to talk the wife into spending 60 bucks on a kit than spending that same 60 at 4 different places. Even tho your getting more shopping around.

Jigsaws are the shit. Just not for this