Hi guys
I've been vaping my own diy juice for close to 3 years, I'm always surprised to see recipes asking for 8-12 ingredients and 12-20% of flavour. I did my fair share of research and I'm aware that vaping vg+pg+nic is virtually harmless. Only thing we are unsure are flavourings because each one of them can contain from few to hundreds of chemicals (I'm aware that water is also chemical and chemical does not necessary mean dangerous) for very long time I tried to keep my recipes at or under 10%, I quickly changed my mind and tried to stay under 7.5% now my recipes rarely go over 5% flavour total. I'm not sure if it's important but I'd assume it's worth mentioning that I normally drip and vape around 80-100w. I know that 5% recipe using Fa flavours is nothing uncommon to see but case is that 99.95% of my flavour stash is made out of tfa flavours which are known to be "cheap, weak, diluted" etc. Honestly I'm not sure where I'm going with this topic so let's say I'd love you guys to chime in and tell me what you think about low flavour content recipes and maybe if you have sub 5% recipes that you enjoy id be pleased if you could share it with me.
Let's finish this topic with few of my staple recipes which even though they're low in total amount of flavour are very flavourful.
Pear lemonade
2% TFA strawberry ripe
1.75% TFA pear
1.25% TFA key lime
*** 0.1% TFA sour
*** not needed, although it help to "melt" recipe together. Also to clarify, tfa sour is NOT sour additive. It works great with fruits, but doesn't add any sourness no matter percentage and I tried it anywhere between drop per 100ml going as high as 2%. I used over 15ml of it in various of recipes and for my flavour buds anything over 0.5% just make your juice taste plasticky, it have medicine aftertaste and all it add notes similar to how plastic bag full of fruits smell. Hard to describe but on top of it it mute recipes when used wrong more than any sweetener, chocolate, coffee, menthol/mint ever will without altering flavour almost at all.
Joy custard
2% CAP Vanilla custard v1
2% TFA cheesecake (Graham crust)
1% FA joy
Lemon ics
1.5% TFA fruit circles
1.5% TFA vanilla bean ice cream
1.5% TFA key Lime
0.5% TFA orange cream
Apricot yoghurt
1.75% TFA apricot
1.75% TFA cheesecake Graham crust
1% TFA nectarine
0.5% TFA Greek yoghurt
All my recipes are ready to be vaped as shake and vape, there's difference after 2-3 days of steep where flavours "melt" together but I never noticed any benefit between 3 days steep vs 3 weeks+.
One of my own. I adv this often Sticky buns
Another one:
What would you say is closest replacement for FA butter? It's only ingredient I don't have atm but your sticky bun recipe sound very good.
https://imgur.com/a/RMzDK
That's more or less accurate list of all my flavours
The other guy mentioned you shouldn't vape Caramel original but he didn't say why. It isn't a normal concern like someone might be wanting to avoid acetoin, diacetyl, or any of those things. Caramel original contains corn syrup to sweeten it(possibly depending when you purchased it). You can verify this on the label, it will mention corn syrup as an ingredient. I gave my bottle to my girlfriend to add to coffee creamer for some extra flavor because I won't ever use it again.
TFA's site says it does not contain it now so maybe new batches do not, but my bottle definitely does have corn syrup. Check yours to be sure.
Is there an actual research showing why it's bad? I have one shot concentrate that contain corn syrup but didn't experienced any side effect after blowing through over 70ml of it. On the other hand most Banana and Peach flavour make me sick within first few puffs.
Very nice! My go-to is always
LA watermelon 7%
TFA vanilla swirl 2%
A lot of times when I'm running out the door I'll just squeeze what looks like the right amounts of each flavor and fill it up with VG and nic real quick.
Seems like an odd combination what's the profile?
Candy watermelon that has something to take the candy off. Pretty much just turns into a watermelon-smoothie-ish. Love LA watermelon- my favorite base flavor hands down. Goes well with lime, apple, berries;l, tropical fruits, etc. one thing I hadn't tried it with is rich dessert flavors. And I highly suggest adding some sort of vanilla or cream flavor to your usual recipes.
The vanilla swirl doesn't add anything besides substance with a hint of vanilla flavoring. Turns a simple, juicy stand alone into something robust. I'm not a desserty type of guy but gah damn.
Suggest adding a little citrus in it if you end up liking it.
The amount of bought concentrate required isn't a good gauge of how much flavour chemical is in them. They're all mixed in a variable amount of (usually) PG and how strong they are just depends on what the company decides. BJuice, for example, sell all their flavours as pre-mixed concentrates to mix at 9:1 to keep it easy for their customers. All the basic flavour manufacturers are using much the same chemicals to make any given flavour profile so if they're at the right concentration to get the flavour coming through they'll all contain similar amounts of the main flavour chemicals regardless of how much concentrate you had to use.
There aren't many known problems with flavour chemicals, although there are plenty of unknowns. The one concern we do know is real is diketones (diacetyl and acetyl propionyl are the two most common ones). Some links to the main evidence of risk with some explanations.
No other flavours I know of have come up with clear evidence of serious risk although those derived from tobacco (leaf tobacco, not just chemical mimics of tobacco flavour) do more damage to cells in the lab and they're generally considered riskier. There have been some question marks raised about menthol in a couple of studies but it's not clear whether there's long-term cell damage or how serious any damage is. The aldehydes (cherry, almond sorta flavours) come up a lot as a hypothetical concern but I can't find any used in flavouring that are considered harmful at the very low levels found in juice.
Avoid colouring. It's adding risk for no good reason unless you really, really like funky colours.
There will always be new information coming out but thousands of factory workers have been exposed to just about everything we vape for years on end and diketones are the only flavour chemical with strong evidence of harm attached (and even that is manageable at lower exposures, depending on your risk-reward preferences). So, keep yourself up to date, think about what level of risk you're happy with, and relax. :)
I hear problems with cinnamon concentrates and also.....another fruit one. Some people said they were allergic to it, think it was watermelon. Don't recall.
Yeah, I'd forgotten the cinnamon scare, thanks. It's one of the aldehydes (cinnemaldehyde) and another one where the jury is out AFAIK. Farsalinos wrote a post about it, although all he's saying is that it was an overreaction rather than that there is definitely nothing to worry about: Cinnamon flavours in e-cigarettes: how inappropriate research can misinform the public and the (amateur) professionals
I'm totally aware of concentrations. Thanks to tfa being kind enough and in some way allowing us to have access to their ingredients and rough proportions its safe to say tpa flavours are roughly 5-20% concentration. I think that's the reason I prefer them over other manufacturer because at least I know what I vape.
3.5% CAP Hazelnut
3.5% CAP Vanilla custard
5.5% TFA Peanut butter
Can go V1 or V2 on the CAP flavors depending on your stance on diacetyl.
Mixin' this up now for my PB loving buds
Oh boy! I really do love a good simple mix. Some of my favorites are D cream which is a simple remix of fizzmustard's mustard milk and a variation of it using 1 percent fa key lime as well and lowering the vbic to 6 percent. Here is the link! https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/38862#d_cream_by_shyndo
I would also like to suggest Coop's kiwi bourbon https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/21614#coop_s_kiwi_bourbon_by_id10_t
How is that Joy Custard? I never tried mixing the two after seeing /u/ID10-T's comment... Vanilla Yeast Infection.
I mean, 1.5% Joy + 1.5% Vanilla Custard could conceivably be much different than 2% Vanilla Custard and 1% Joy. But you're probably not going to convince me to mix those two flavors together again.
I find the joy needs to steep a really long time or it's just gross. I use in one recipe @ 0.5% and I like to let it sit at least 2 months.
/u/ID10-T used 2.25% Joy in this recipe: https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/11394#the_glazed_doughnut_by_brinnutz_revised_by_id10_t
Depends on what it's combined with, apparently. I've made about a liter of this recipe and it's ready after about a week. Must be the 3.75% FA Meringue that does the trick.
Never Forget
Have you ever tried OSDIYS Lucky shot? Or have you ever vaped either original or clone(cap v1 custard+tpa Bavarian cream+tpa dulce de Leche) version of grants vanilla custard? If yes then it's tasting very similar to them two recipes.
I have vaped the Grants Vanilla Custard clone and it's good but i like the Nickotickets Custards Last Stand clone on that French e juice site a lot better.
The latter is not a simple recipe though but well worth it.
Im more worried about vaping dry hits being harmful than any of the flavorings I use.
Try fused claptons then. I don't even know what dry hits are since my switch
How do fused claptons help with dry hits? I'm asking for a friend.
When you run let's say 26awg kanthal coil and set it to 100w this thin wire almost instantly glow orange causing dry cotton to singe and burn. In fused Clapton outer wire get almost no current flowing through it so it depend on core wire (which doesn't touch your cotton) to transfer heat into it. I can genuinely "vape" crispy dry and white cotton and all I'm getting is mouthful of hot/warm air without any burned taste. So your wrap wire work like insulator for your cotton and I even hat times where I took good 5-6 toes and was disappointed with vape production, changed batteries, upped watts just to realise my cotton is bone dry.
One of my favorites is just 8-9% RF - Cookies and cream(2-2.5% with their super concentrate, still messing with this) and 3% Cap Vanilla bean ice cream. Makes a decent cookies and cream ice cream with not very much work. If you like TPA vbic instead I have no idea what percentage to use but the same or maybe a tiny bit more might work.
I'll throw in my own recipe: María
It's one of my ADVs. One day steep so that TPA Pear can calm down and won't be harsh.
Any fruit + 1% Coolong agent WS-23. WS-23 makes almost every fruit vapable.
So much juices are based on this flavour profile but I never have been cold/Menthol/mint person. I can do licorice/Aniseed flavours as MTL in nautilus but I never jumped onto Malaysian train with vaping coolada on sub ohm rig. I just don't like bombarding my flavour buds with minty flavours because it mess with anything I eat/drink during the day and also give me tight chest.
I will take one for the team and try joy custard.
You guys acting like I asked you to mix 10% TFA honey with 10% TFA banana rape ;) it's very subtle creamy vape with no regrets as ingredients. Hope you enjoy, please report back.
Okay. It's freaking amazing after an overnight steep. Keeping this around. I kind of want to add a light strawberry note to it.
These recipes have much lower % of ingredients than what I've seen posted in most places (new mixer here). I mainly run single coil RTAs at about 35w and your Pear lemonade sounds like something I would enjoy vaping. Since you vape around 80-100w, do you think the flavor would be a bit muted on single coil RTAs around 35W ?
I vaped most of my recipes through either serpent smm with single Clapton coil 0.5ohm around 35-40w and on single coil ammit with some fused clapton 0.3ohm around 40-45w and all tasted nice. There's no sugary almost like golden syrup taste to it like most "premium" eliquids filled with sucralose but flavour as individual fruits is pretty strong even at 30-50w range. I only had issues with them recipes when I tried to vape them at 15-20w in nautilus where they tasted bit flat.