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Weekly New Mixers Questions Thread - Week of July 24, 2017
submitted about 8 years ago by AutoModerator

OK new mixers, this is your thread to ask any questions you want of the DIY eJuice community. All posts are allowed, but we still encourage you to use the sidebar and search features before asking any questions.

  • Placing your first DIY order and want to make sure you have all you need?
  • Not sure about how to mix your first bottle?
  • Want to get started but aren't sure how?
  • Any other questions? ... then this is the thread for you. FWIW, the answers to the first three questions will eventually be found in the wiki (still in development); link at the top of the page.

Ask away!

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by Ricobra81about 8 years ago

Hey DYI_eJuice – new mixer here from Brazil. I am a big fan of dessert/RY4/tobacco juices. I put together a pistachio RY4 and am currently waiting for it to steep. In the meantime, I wonder if you could suggest me new mixes with the following stash of flavors: • RY4 Double (TPA) • Acetyl Pyrazine (TPA) • Brown Sugar (TPA) • Maple Syrup (TPA) • Kentucky Bourbon (TPA) • Caramel (FA) • Vanillin (TPA) • Cinnamon Danish (TPA) • Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (CA) • Pistachio (TPA)

Thanks!

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by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

Ok im back and a bit more clear headed. I noticed you're like 1.5 flavors away from being able to make /u/taclite 's

###bourbon ice cream

  • TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 8%
  • TFA Kentucky Bourbon 3%
  • TFA Brown Sugar 1%
  • TFA Toasted Marshmallow 2%

so let's pay homage and make this /u/Ricobra81 's bourbon ice cream. Here's how:

Taclite already picked out flavors and percentages so lets use those for inspiration/guidance

Lets keep these

  • TFA Kentucky Bourbon 3%
  • TFA Brown Sugar 1%

and replace these

  • TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 8%
  • TFA Toasted Marshmallow 2%

TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (VBIC)

  • Some ppl say CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (VBIC) is better than TFA's
  • Ive never used it so lets go to https://alltheflavors.com/flavors and search "vanilla bean ice cream"
  • Now we can see the average percentage used for CAP VBIC is 2.69% and TFA VBIC is 3.23%
    • you can use more or less as needed
  • CAP VBIC may be stronger which means less may be needed to achieve the same effect as TFA VBIC
  • Lets try 5-7% instead.

TFA Toasted Marshmallow.

I haven't found a flavor quite like this and it's really good in my opinion. If you dont have it then you can either skip it or substitute another flavor in its place. I would recommend trying to substitute something else though. Caramel is basically burned sugar as is a toasted marshmallow. FA caramel may work well in my opinion. I would keep it at 2%

I dont have TFA pistachio but you could try that, maple syrup, ry4 double, cinnamon danish or any other flavor that may work as well.

###so far the recipe looks like this:

  • CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 5%
  • TFA Kentucky Bourbon 3%
  • TFA Brown Sugar 1%
  • FA Caramel 2% (optional/can be substituted probably if you dont like or want)

I would go max VG, and customize it to your taste. probably needs to age for a bit

source https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/5fzop3/december_2016_recipe_thread/daoqc2l/

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by Tacliteabout 8 years ago

Thanks for the mention! I think FA Caramel would be great in the recipe you posted.

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by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

Thank you and my pleasure.

To be blunt... i haven tried your recipe (yet). I have a bottle aging on my desk and was supposed to mix this up 7months ago. Time makes fools of us all.

3 points
 
by Ricobra81about 8 years ago

WOW - that`s amazing and I am mixing Bourbon Ice Cream immediately. If this turns out good I will be on the hunt for Toasted Marshmallow to try the original /u/Tactile recipe.

Thanks a lot /u/bobbysavage !!!!!

2 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

That Taclite recipe is amazing! But, it needs to steep for a month.

Edit: The main reason it needs to steep for a month is that 1% Brown Sugar. You'll probably want to steep the recipe Bobby gave you for a month as well. But it will very likely taste terrific and worth the wait.

3 points
 
by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

I'm not a huge fan of RY4 flavors, but from that list I'm thinking something like this might be good:

RY4 Double- 3.5%

Kentucky Bourbon- 2%

Brown Sugar- 1%

Cinnamon Danish- .75%

Acetyl Pyrazine- .5%

I'm also not a big fan of Cinnamon Danish, so i would be shooting for just a hint of cinnamon. If you like that flavor, probably wouldn't hurt to push it up to 1.5%.

2 points
 
by Ricobra81about 8 years ago

Thanks a lot! Will give it a try for sure!

2 points
 
by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

1% brown sugar will overtake everything else.

3.5%-1%-2d/10mL-.5%-.5% would likely work better.

2 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

/u/chemicalburnvictim is better at tobacco recipes than me.

3 points
 
by Fit_Duckabout 8 years ago

Hello, sorry for all the questions, could only find outdated answers to these. Thanks for replies in advance.

I'm wanting to get into mixing for the freedom and money, mainly money. There is three of us who would use it, all like fruit/sweet mainly and the odd bakery flavours.

Basically I'm wanting to know exactly what I need, what's the difference between the brands (FA, cap etc) Is the price difference for quality?

Also can I mix with pure vg if I use pg nic and pg flavours? (Aiming for high vg)

And what flavour concentrates are a must have for most recipes, and best place to buy them? (UK if you couldn't work out by the flavour spelling ;) )

TL;DR what flavour concentrates should I buy, what brand and where from including nic (uk), do I need pg, and generally how 'big' should my first order be?

5 points
 
by HashSlingingSlashurabout 8 years ago

Difference between the brands is that many make the same flavor (ie Bavarian cream or banana or lemon, etc) but each company's flavor will vary in strength/accuracy/taste. Even concentrates within one company can be vastly strong or weak. Check out the flavor review section in the sidebar. Also check out alltheflavors.com and you can hit the flavor page, type in a flavor and get the average usage for that flavor. There is no best company but there are flavors from each company that are considered to be very good and essential.

Also in the sidebar is the recommended flavors to buy for beginners. I recommend finding a couple of recipes that sounds good on all the flavors website and buying the ingredients for those recipes.

As for where to buy stuff im not sure. But make sure to buy a scale that measures down to .01 grams. Mixing by weight is the most accurate way to go

3 points
 
by Prometheus_unwoundabout 8 years ago

I'm not finding any real flavor reviews for FLV Vanilla Pudding. Would anyone like to share some anecdotes with me?

Thanks!

6 points
 
by HashSlingingSlashurabout 8 years ago

Good flavor. Similar to FLV vanilla custard just a bit thinner tasting and sweeter but that's neither good nor* bad.

Usage rates for me have been 0.75% to 4%.

Best recipe I've tried that uses FLV Vanilla pudding is golden Oreos by deejaymillsnyc

I'd say try it solo at 3% to get the best idea of what it's like and what you may like to put it in

3 points
 
by Prometheus_unwoundabout 8 years ago

Thanks dude, that helps!

3 points
 
by milkypebblezabout 8 years ago

I'm going to be ordering a large amount of flavors, 18x TFA, 13x CAP, 7x INW, 9x FA, 5x FW, 2x Flv, 2x La. Where is the current cheapest place to purchase flavoring via paypal. I can post the list of flavors if needed, thanks for the information in advance.

5 points
 
by kindgroundabout 8 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

You may end up ordering from multiple vendors depending upon stock status. The prices are generally pretty competitive unless you can find a sale.

My favorite 2 are [Bull City Flavors] (http://www.bullcityflavors.com) and [Ecigexpress] (http://www.ecigexpress.com). Bull City has excellent customer service.

1 points
 
by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

I don't believe either use paypal, though.

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by kindgroundabout 8 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Bull City does.

3 points
 
by -doggo1about 8 years ago

Hi guys, just bought some flavors, respectively, Heisenberg from Vampire Vape and Cotton Candy from Flavor West, my question is, how long to steep them? Right now I'm vaping the heisenberg and it doesn't taste bad at all...

2 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

They might get better after steeping, or they might not. If you're already enjoying them, just keep vaping them. If you want to see what happens to them after a steep, set some aside and try it again in a week or two.

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by -doggo1about 8 years ago

Thanks. Heisenberg is good, tried the other flavor, blueberry cotton candy and... it tastes kinda awful, I don't know if it needs to steep a little, or I just don't like the flavor...

1 points
 
by grrrkgrrrlabout 8 years ago

Well in that case, just let it steep. If you don't like it after steeping you know for sure it's the flavour.

3 points
 
by dtznuffabout 8 years ago

Help my TFA Malted Milk looks funny.

I got 30mls Malted Milk from Wizard Labs and after I used it yesterday there looks like a bunch of little floaties in it. Do you think it's still good? I know my equipment was all clean and I'm letting it sit on the counter and warm up. I store all my stuff in the fridge. Any ideas?

3 points
 
by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

A lot of concentrates separate when they get cooler.

Let it get to room temp and shake it; it should mix back together.

3 points
 
by dtznuffabout 8 years ago

Thanks.

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by dtznuffabout 8 years ago

Well I let it sit out for a few hours and it just precipitated to the bottom. When I shake it It's still there. Any ideas?

3 points
 
by Shoagabout 8 years ago

Are there any good starter kits for diy? Would it be better to get everything separately?

5 points
 
by Apexifiedabout 8 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

This kit will get you most of the way there. It lets you pick 15 flavors which you should find by picking out some highly rated recipes here or on ATF

Also check the first order flavor list for some ideas if the recipes you pick don't come to 15 flavors.

Then just grab yourself a scale from Amazon and you're good to go for about $75 total.

3 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

No starter kit will have everything you need. You will also save money buying everything separate.

3 points
 
by ButteringToastabout 8 years ago

Hello,

Not a new mixer, but new to the USA (From England)

Where do I purchase my things from?

I need 80/20 base with 3mg nic (Space is an issue as I on a ship)

Anyone recommend any recipes, I only want to buy the flavours I actually need as I have 100+ at home. I am currently vaping Gods Milk (Strawberry Milkshake)

Thanks :)

6 points
 
by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

liquidbarn.com sells e-liquid base, 80/20 in your requested nic strength. Also, it's just God Milk, no S ;)

You can buy my flavor pack for God Milk at bullcityflavors.com if you want to stick with it. There are also a lot of other really great recipes for sale in packs on their website.(I'd suggest /u/vurve's Best Damn Pink Lemonade for something delicious to contrast God Milk when you get bored of it.)

2 points
 
by ButteringToastabout 8 years ago

The legend himself! Thank you for such an awesome flavour, I actually use INWA Shisha Strawberry instead as it's the only one strawberry i can taste!

I will be getting the flavour packs rather than the individual flavours as I really don't have the room to store all the flavours again. Cheers mate!

2 points
 
by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

well, the packs come as individual flavors, unfortunately. You just get a discount on the pack, and I get a kickback from the profits. I don't have a one-shot for it coming out anywhere.

3 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

There is a handy list in the sidebar under verified vendors. There you will see sites based in the U.K. And sites that will ship internationally. Darkstar, I believe is one of the more popular U.K. Vendors.

2 points
 
by ButteringToastabout 8 years ago

Cheers, I am very custom to the UK vendors, darkstar is amazing btw.

I am after US vendors, around Florida if possible!

3 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

I don't think US vendors will ship nicotine your way now. I could be wrong though. The TPD kind of limits you in that regard. Wizard Labs is in Florida but be aware, they have had recent fraud issues with their payment provider.

3 points
 
by geb999about 8 years ago

not sure where to put this question so it goes here in the most forgiving part of of this sub... I have a recipe to share in the new recipe sub but have no idea how to format it so it looks neat. I used the side bar but can't seem to find any info on how to format your recipe to make it look neat. any thoughts?

3 points
 
by leapinglabratsabout 8 years ago

The simplest way is to start each line with an asterisk (*), like so:

* 3% TFA Strawberry Ripe
* 1% FA Fuji

becomes

  • 3% TFA Strawberry Ripe
  • 1% FA Fuji

More options here

2 points
 
by geb999about 8 years ago

thanks! I see many posts with a fancy box around the flavors. Still I can certainly do a simple asterisk.

7 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

Personally I think the table version is annoying to look at.

1 points
 
by JohannesVanDerWhalesabout 8 years ago

You can click on the "source" link on comments to see how they're formatted too.

(Actually that might be a RES feature)

1 points
 
by vApe_Escapeabout 8 years agoTobacconist

>new recipe sub

There is a new subreddit for recipes? Link?

2 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

I think they meant Thread

1 points
 
by geb999about 8 years ago

yes - I meant thread.

3 points
 
by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

After 2.5 years of diy, I just now mixed up my first all fruit mix. I think my tongue needs a break from all the tobaccos because I think I'm starting to not be able to pick out all the subtleties in them. The question:

Will this always taste like soap, or is it just for now?

The recipe:

FA Apricot- 1.75%

INW Cactus- .25%

FA Fuji- .75%

FA Polar Blast- 1%

I'm clueless with fruits, and these were the only 3 I have, so I just gave it a whirl. My buddy vapes fruits and they all taste just like this to me, so I think it's just my tongue. Unless anyone sees anything there that shouts soap to them. I'll take your advice and tuck it away deep in my memory for the next time I decide I should try some fruits.

3 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Could be it's going to taste like that to you regardless, but try it again after a steep, you could be getting a soapy taste from even that low amount of cactus if you're shake-and-vaping it. It calms down over time. But I don't see anything there that really screams soap.

3 points
 
by wh1skeyk1ngabout 8 years agoThanks for reading this flair

First off, I wanted to thank you for using this thread. I know you aren't a "new mixer" per se, but your question definitely fits in well here. I have used the thread on occasion for simple type questions such as this one in the past as well.

As /u/ID10-T stated, INW Cactus may be causing your soap issue. I haven't used FA Apricot that high either, so I wonder if backing it down a hair would alleviate your problem?

I have also found that when I do a straight fruit mix, I get friends who claim they get a soapy taste. 0.5-1% FA Meringue or FA Cream Fresh seem to take care of that though. Heck, any cream/vanilla flavor at a low % seems to more or less get rid of the soapy note that has a tendency to come from mixing straight fruits together.

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by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

I guess now that I look at it, the Apricot does seem a bit high. In earlier versions of an apricot tobacco I made, it was pretty overpowering. I took it down to 1%, and it's still pretty heavy.

I'm thinking Cactus is probably my soap guy though. I assume after a few days it'll settle a bit, but I just don't think that one is for me. At least not in an all fruit mix. I wish on my last flavor order I would have picked up INW Custard. It sounds like that might be the answer to my woes with creams and custard type of flavors. I really don't like vanilla, and it seems like that one might be an eggy custard with very light or no vanilla. Perhaps next weeks flavor order!

Btw, I had a little nibble on Tinted Limo tonight because I'm very impatient. Even with my aversion to vanillas, it's looking promising. 10 days to go until I'm at the full 3 weeks.

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by wh1skeyk1ngabout 8 years agoThanks for reading this flair

I look forward to your opinion. I actually just ran out of my last 120 of Tinted Limo today, and silly me doesn't have any more steeping. I do however have some other tobacco blends I've been tinkering with that will tide me over until my next 120.

Was it you that suggested the TFA Toasted Marshmallow in place of CAP Butter Cream? Because my next sesh will probably be using that.

2 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

cactus is soapy to me. FA fuji always reminded me of some soap we used to buy from target, but I dont think ive ever used it that low.

I could see those being a problem ive also never tried fa apricot but if the review suggesting 'peach like' are* accurate, then i could see that mix being an unpalatable snv or recipe. Peaches can be very floral for me irl for whatever thats worth.

Also yea you gotta try inw custard.

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by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

I swear the USPS has some sort of deal worked out with all the flavor shops to where they never carry everything I need so I have to pay shipping twice. Went to get the INW Custard and really want to try INW Whiskey too. BCF has the custard but not the whiskey, Vapers Tek has the whiskey but not the custard. Got the whiskey because I also want to try their Black Tea and Clove. And for the first time ever I saw they had Tobacco Absolute Oriental in stock. I've been wanting that one for forever.

1 points
 
by Ernie_is_deadabout 8 years ago

If you manage to get the Black Tea, I can put your Apricot to good use:

3% INW Black Tea

1,75% CAP Juicy Peach

1% FA Apricot

0,5% TFA Koolada

That's really delicious and won't taste like soap.

this shop here would carry the flavors you are looking for:

https://inawera.de/gb/suche?controller=search&orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=custard&submit_search=

Will have high shipping cost though :/

1 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

Dude. idont even know anymore. I just have to wait until im ready to drop 40-50$ before i buy flavors or its like... not as fun.

dafuq in INW whiskey!? lemme find out.

also yea ive been looking at that oriental forever now. I wonder when the last time they stocked it was? I havent seen it ever in stock in like 2+ years.

lemme know how that one is. i need some eastern bacco flavors that dont suck

2 points
 
by WorstAdviceROCabout 8 years ago

Yep, same here. Cactus is a soapy, floral fuckfest to me. Usually FA Apricot is fine at that level, infact, it's the juicy additive Cactus was supposed to be. Try <0.5% for juicy additive, >0.5%-2.5% for juicy apricot flavor. Mixed with MF Nectarine, yummmmmmm.

3 points
 
by sirfletchalotabout 8 years agoI &lt;3 ID10-T

posted a thread, got told off like a naughty boy so deleted to post here.

finally ordered a bottle of DIYFS holy vanilla to see what all the fuss is about. excited to give it a try. what's a good % for standalone and in a mix?

3 points
 
by coop34about 8 years ago

3% standalone is perfect for me. 1% or so in a mix

2 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Congratulations on your Holy order, /u/sirfletchalot

Praise be.

I'm just here to agree with Coop. Holy V is amazing but it can really push around your other flavors at 2% in a mix. Keep it between 1 and 2% for just the right amount of bakery vanilla extract-type flavor.

3 points
 
by Apexifiedabout 8 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

If you check the flavor pages on ATF & ELR you'll see the average % used, as well as recipes that use the flavor.

3 points
 
by MacaronianMeatballsabout 8 years ago

Hey guys not exactly a new mixer , in fact I've gotten to the point where I have about a hundred different concentrates. But that's my problem, whenever I'm trying to mix or thinktank a recipe I have a terrible time sorting through all my flavors to find what I need. Do you guys own a display or something similar so you can see all your bottles clearly ?

Right now I'm using a big lockbox so I can keep my Nic, scale, PG, VG etc all in one nice place. Is there a cost effective solution for keeping everything tidy and in order while being able to see all my flavors ?

2 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

i use sterilite containers with lil baskets inside of em. then have some multi layered plastic shit from walmart for new/constantly used flavors, on my desk.

basically walmart or anyplace that sells plastic shit to organize shit will have some shit.

edit: shit

3 points
 
by methicationabout 8 years ago

Anyone here buy Concentrated Flavorings from NudeNicotine? I'm trying to avoid steep times; I just want to mix ASAP

I'm buying my first bottle of nicotine base from nude nicotine, and want to buy some flavorings where I could just pour the base into a 60ml unicorn, drop a few drops into the bottle, shake, and vape, all within 5 minutes. I don't care about high quality taste, as long as it tastes like fruit or bakery, I'm fine. Should I buy them at NudeNicotine or do these require extensive steep times? I'm trying to avoid having my room look like a science laboratory.

https://www.nudenicotine.com/products-page/concentrated-flavorings/

Or I could also buy these at Mt Baker Vapor who just started selling them: https://www.mtbakervapor.com/flavor-shots/

Mt Baker's seem pretty express from reading their explanation. You just drop a couple drops in, and you're done. I'm going to talk to their customer service tomorrow. Thanks guys.

5 points
 
by 0ptimusRhymeabout 8 years ago

There are much better "one shot" concentrates on bull city flavors and ecigexpress, one shots are pre mixed recipes so you only have to add that, VG//pg/nic. I don't have any experience with nude nic flavors so I can't speak on their quality or steep time. I can tell you that they take like 2-3 weeks to ship, and if you search around here you'll see a lot of complaints. I switched to Heartland ultra premium (chemnovactic) nic, but there's also Carolina Xtract which is pretty much as good as it gets. Nude nic is good but I'd recommend getting something else unless you don't mind the wait. Mt Baker is alright but most of their stuff is just flavor west single flavorings, or very simple mixes. There's lots of good 2-3 recipe mixes which won't take forever to steep and keep the clutter when mixing to a minimum. Hope this helps!

3 points
 
by methicationabout 8 years ago

What's attractive about nude nic is they have pre mixed bases of 70% prop / 30% veg, which is exactly what I need. Does Carolina or Heartland give me this pre mixed option?

3 points
 
by 0ptimusRhymeabout 8 years ago

I don't think they do, maybe 50/50 though. It's not much trouble making 70/30 final ratio, you could even do like a gallon at once, but we're just making your desk look more and more like a lab at that point lol. You can get that from nude, just expect it to take awhile. If it doesn't than you got lucky with them. I do recommend getting your flavors/one shots elsewhere though.

3 points
 
by Pleguabout 8 years ago

Correct If i'm wrong, but does 10ml bottle that contains 2,4% nic equal 10ml 24mg ejuice?

Shop I went to only had 2,4% juice and i have never used juices with precentages.

Also do you know anything about iFresh juices. I have never tried them, but right now i can't get anything else.

Thanks!

3 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

you are correct.

3 points
 
by Pleguabout 8 years ago

Thank you!

2 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

youre welcome

3 points
 
by butch3r84about 8 years ago

Hi new mixer here and I have a question about contamination and cleaning. I rinse out thoroughly the syringes/pipets/bottles that I use but I'm worried about Long term contamination, how do u guys clean your bits/bottles so they don't hold the smells anymore? Do you bin after a certain amount of time? Does it ingrain over time that it's past cleaning it out?

3 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

I boil my glass bottles every 3-4 refills just do a mass cleansing and soap and water the caps.

I refill plastic a cpl times and then just toss it.personally: plastic is for giving away bc no one knows how to return a MF bottle.... but your mileage may vary with your friends

and yea the flavors 'embeds' themselves into the porous plastic. refill with same or similar flavors

a scale prevents you from having to wash syringes by eliminating them. i re-used mine though and washed every time and just threw away the pipettes

3 points
 
by jeebz_about 8 years ago

Hello.

I've got Bronuts concentrate and I really don't seem to gel with it at all. I find the taste far too chocolate and rich. It makes me feel a bit sick after vaping it for a while. Is there anything I can add to "lighten" it? I do t want to waste the concentrate

2 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

dilute your mix by adding more vg or wait as time may help.

bakery flavors can require more patience. how old is the bottle you mixed?

3 points
 
by DarkWanderer2about 8 years ago

Hello guys, I am new here, so first of all, hi all :) I am a sucker for tobacco flavors, and I am struggling to find any good recs on the internet. Does anyone have any decent recs, not overly sophisticated (no more then 3-4 aromas) and care to share? Thanks in advance.

2 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

/u/chemicalburnvictim /u/t_mace /u/wh1skeyk1ng

theys mo better at recipes. im on a different tobacco mission sorry theyll be by to sort you out. lemme pre season it

what kinda tobacco flavor you after ?

3 points
 
by DarkWanderer2about 8 years ago

Mostly tobacco + dessert mixes. Vanilla tobacco, caramel tobacco, peanut tobacco etc.

4 points
 
by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

Tobaccos that I think work well in those types of mixes (but I do not really like dessert tobaccos, so you may get some better opinions):

INW S'Camel (aka Dromedary)- nutty and sweet.

INW Tobacco Symphony- Nutty, but less sweet. A bit more tobacco taste than S'Camel

INW 555 Gold- Again, nutty, but different. A bit funky until it steeps. I get wet dog from it, but that has not been reported by anyone else, and I still like it.

FLV Native- bright, crisp sweetish Tobacco Leaf.

FLV Red Burley- darker, earthier tobacco. Interesting in a dessert mix.

FLV Cured- sweet Flue Cured style tobacco.

Flavors Express/Super Concentrates Blended Tobacco- I used this for about a year in a nut/vanilla mix. Pretty good, but not really a Tobacco in my opinion.

INW Garuda Tobacco Absolute- sort of sweet tobacco leaf. Will give you a little authentic tobacco taste.

Any of these would mix well with vanilla, nuts, and caramel or butterscotch. As far as those go, I enjoy FA Caramel, INW Vanilla for Pipe, CAP Hazelnut, CAP Toasted Almond, or you could throw in some TFA Kentucky Bourbon to liven things up a bit. I've got some recipes I can share if you want, but others probably have better ones.

2 points
 
by wh1skeyk1ngabout 8 years agoThanks for reading this flair

Thanks for the page, I answered a bit out of order though.

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by wh1skeyk1ngabout 8 years agoThanks for reading this flair

As stated, most INW tobaccos are going to probably be your biggest hits, their "for Pipe" line is very solid IMO, I've thoroughly enjoyed every one I've tried. Flavorah has some decent ones, although I'm not a fan of the price tag to concentration ratio. Flavor Art makes some decent ones as well, although they might be hit or miss based on your preferences. The FA ones I have I do enjoy and 7 Leaves Ultimate is probably my favorite. FA tobaccos are a bit on the sweet side. TFA is meh, they make a few decent tobacco flavors that I like to use as additives on occasion, but you will definitely want a decent amount of their RY4 Double. Not sure if you can get Hangsen, but I have a couple from them that are pretty good as well. I've read a lot of reviews from people that really enjoy their tobaccos.

I also have 2 recipes that are pretty solid:

Legend is a rather light tobacco base with a subtle splash of apple and blackcurrant. It is very vapable after a couple days, but sets up a bit better after 10-14 days. You can definitely play around with subbing out 1 or 2 of the fruits, but I have always came back to this exact blend. They seem to compliment the tobaccos better than any other fruits I've tried.

Tinted Limo takes a good 2-3 weeks before it comes around, after that, it is very rich and luxurious. The FA Oakwood and CAP Butter Cream can be subbed out, but they are more or less where I landed in the fine-tuning process of chasing my original vision. INW Gold for Pipe makes a decent sub for INW Gold Ducat. I know they reformulated INW Gold Ducat recently, and I have not tried the recipe with the new version, so I cannot vouch for it tasting good or bad. NOTE: This recipe is not overly vapable before the recommended steep time, so have patience.

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by vaper1978about 8 years ago

I tried it with 100 ml a bit ago and it seemed to help some. A Cake batter was ready to vape within an hour (used mixer to froth it up -4 times forgot to heath bathe it) ... tasting alright.

Is there something to pre mixing your vg/pg ?

I premixed 750 ml of vg/pg at 80/20 with 3.5 mg of nicotine .. I figured by adding the 8-15 percent for flavors (90% of the time I'm around 10%) it will make it roughly 70/30 vg/pg and I have been vaping right around that level.

Figure I can also pour 90ml of that with 10 ml of flavoring and still get my 3% nicotine (or roughly a bit more - I don't need perfection. This is personal not for store usage) Main question is ... Does pre steeping the vg/pg and nicotine together make vaping after the flavor is added ready more quickly ?

I thought about it and maybe that's how vape shops also make their ejuice vape ready so much more quickly. Like I said - last time I tried it did improve the quality a bit .. But I'm not sure if there was something to it or it was a fluke. I will know soon as I've been steeping my vg/pg mix for 2 days now, with 3 hot water baths today ... dark cabinet last night. Dark cabinet tonight.

I'm going to try to give it 5 days total ... heat bathing every day from now on out ..

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

It doesn't. That's not what steeping is. The flavors need to be involved with that process. Skip the heat bath by the way, it's not doing anything for your mixes.

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by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

No. Vape shops have their ejuice vape ready by A) adding more flavoring than needed, which is why shop juices taste like shit after a steep, and B) premium juices get pre-steeped before shipping.

It's not the PG/VG nic that is affected by steeping. The flavors need time to homogenize, and suspend themselves in the solution. This mean loosing some aromas, some rare chemical reactions, and mainly just time doing it's thing with fluids that are soluble with each other(all solutions seek to be in equilibrium; high concentration will always flow to low concentration in any solution.)

Also, frothing and heat steeping will make your juice vape-ready earlier, but your juice will never reach it's peak flavor due to the amount of aroma volatiles lost from introducing energy(motion and heat) and air(volatiles by nature are prone to evaporating; they don't want to stay in solution.)

The only way to make a juice steep well is with time.

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by h3kt1vabout 8 years ago

I was looking on how to use flavor enhancers. I repeatedly came across this old thread that is now deleted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/1rwsd4/notes_additives_flavor_enhancers/

Can someone explain to me what the basic sweeteners/flavor enhancers are and how they are effectively used?

2 points
 
by kindgroundabout 8 years ago

FA Meringue and TFA Marshmallow for sweetness and mouthfeel with neutral flavor. TFA Cotton Candy for Ethyl Maltol (a sweetener that will also mute harsh edges). TFA Whipped Cream brings volume and mouthfeel with a pretty neutral flavor. INW Cactus brings juiciness to fruits and candies. Just a few things that I've learned.

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by h3kt1vabout 8 years ago

Do you know anything about dragon fruit? I see it being added to a lot of fruit recipes in low %s. What does this add?

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

It can boost the fruit flavor depending on how it's used.

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by kindgroundabout 8 years ago

TFA Dragonfruit in particular is kind of an emulsifier that helps make some flavors blend together better. Other dragonfruits don't do this however.

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by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

It can help flavors blend together, too.

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by Airseirabout 8 years ago

Sorry - Not a question but felt compelled to post. I received my kit yesterday and mixed my first 2 juices. 10ml of FW Sour Blue Raspberry and 10ml of CAP Cool Mint. Couldn't help but put some of the raspberry in a spare tank and keep trying it. The flavour is already coming through. Kind of exciting.

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by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Yes it is.

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by standardtissueabout 8 years ago

Sorry, I posted this as a thread in the main sub ... deleting that and posting where it belongs:

I've only been vaping for about a month now but I found some USP grade PG, VG and some banana cream online in amounts small enough for me to mess with. I just rinsed out one of my old glass jars really well. I used a plastic pipette (1ml) that we had for essential oils (using them as potpourri) and a syringe (used to backflush my sawyer filter, never actually used). I washed everything out thoroughly and then came up with this recipe, going for a 60/40. Yeah, this is ghetto style, but first batch. I believe in starting off small and cheap until you know what your'e doing. 9 ml VG (60%) .75 flavor (5%) 5.25 PG (35%) The flavor was in PG, so that's 60/40 VG to PG. Ok wait, I think I just discovered my first mistake LoL. Well, it IS 60/40, just not quite in the right order I guess. I intentionally didn't bother with nicotine. I wanted to get the basics down first. Anyhow, it tastes GOOD ! Doesn't have that extra little oomph that the store bought does, but it's passable for the price. I can buy the storebought when I want to treat myself, but if you're in this sub you already know how expensive the store bought stuff can be. So I have about 15 mils of this stuff, I'll vape through it and see how I like it after a full tank, and then probably just do it again. Maybe I'll get some storebought 12 to add nic, or maybe just get some nic on my own. I don't know if I can get small cheap quantities of that, and I'm not ready to jump into like quart sized containers. So far so good though !

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by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Yes, you can get small cheap quantities of nic. But the idea of buying commercial juice with a high nic level and diluting it with your homemade juice works too. Just make sure you get a flavor that isn't likely to clash horribly with banana cream.

Congrats on making your first juice!

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by isiordia95about 8 years ago

Alright so, I want to start making my own juice, I just don't know where exactly to start. I was originally going to get the 80/20 base from liquid barn, but some of the recipes I've found say 70/30 or 60/40. At this point I wonder if I would be required to buy a PG diluent to make 70/30 from a premixed 80/20 Eliquid. Don't get me wrong I have no problem messing around with the 80/20 to start, in the future though I'd like to make up some clone recipes accurately. Any insight from you guys?

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by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

Best bet is to just buy them separately. Depending on the recipe, that 80/20 could end up 65/35 or 75/25, or most likely some random ratio in between. Adding separate you can get it exactly where you want it.

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by isiordia95about 8 years ago

Hmm, alright. Thanks for your input. Vendor suggestions?

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by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

PG/VG i just but from Essential Depot on Amazon. But there really shouldn't be a difference between any vendor. Nicotine I get from Vapers Tek. But

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by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

Contrary to what /u/ChemicalBurnVictim suggested, I suggest just not worrying about the ratio. Most juices taste best in to 60-70 VG range, and that's what you'll be hitting with the premixed solution. It's honestly all I use, and I've never enjoyed mixing more. The PG/VG ratio on a recipe doesn't mean much, it's more about the build and steep time.

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by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

I suppose I took it that he really wanted to make everything right on, which would be easier doing it separately. But if he isn't picky about it, premixed is definitely easier. Mixing up 8 new flavor testers at once used to be such a pain in the ass for me, but I make a big bottle of premixed base and just squirt that shit in there and it's a million times easier.

/u/isiordia95

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by isiordia95about 8 years ago

Thanks for the perspective, I helps me get an idea about how I want to go about it.

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by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

ok Mr.... "reads the sidebar" but y do my ebay Boombeez taste leik potato?

^^^^^^^^^^^^/s

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by HaileSelassieIIabout 8 years ago

I just got started myself and I found it fairly easy to just buy pg and vg rather than get a premade base (plus it was cheaper) Amazon has both + flavors etc so that's a decent place to start

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by fackyuuabout 8 years ago

Hey guys, I want to start mixing my first fruit flavors. I can't buy a lot of different flavors yet so I was hoping I could get some recommendations on a handful of flavors that will give some good bang for the buck. Such as Cap Harvet Berry or FA Forest Fruit because they are good by themselves. (I can only buy Cap and FA flavors)

I'm thinking single fruit flavor mixes or maybe 2 flavor combos, max 3 flavors. I'd like to buy maybe 8 flavors that will let me mix up as many different juices as possible. I'm open to any fruit flavors, I think I'll like them all (so far I've loved commercial flavored juices with grape, blackcurrant, mango, pineapple, honeydew)

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by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

FA Red Dream(strawberry), Pear, Fuji, Blackcurrant

CAP Sweet Strawberry, Golden Pineapple, Sweet Guava, Hibiscus

Neither of these vendors have good mango or honeydew flavors, for those, get FLV Melon Mix and FLV Mango/TFA Philippine Mango.

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by fackyuuabout 8 years ago

Awesome thanks! I'll try to get as many of these as I can. Does Cap or FA have any good grape options?

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by sevengaliabout 8 years ago

What bottles do you guys use? HDPE, LDPE, PET, glass?

By the sounds of it I want PET and glass for longer term?

Thanks

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by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I only use LDPE bottles. The flavors have a tendency to stick to the bottles after they're rinsed out but it never impacts the flavor in a new mix so I have been reusing them.

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by sevengaliabout 8 years ago

Thank you :)

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

LDPE and glass is what I use. Plastic bottles will keep flavors so you don't want to reuse them.

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by sevengaliabout 8 years ago

Thank you :)

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by getslashedabout 8 years ago

Hi! I was about to buy the concentrates for Honeydewie remix made by DIYORDIE. But in my country the only honeydew I find is (TPA) Honeydew II. Should I buy this one or use another Honeydew like CAP?

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by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Go with Honeydew II. It's not much different from the original version.

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by getslashedabout 8 years ago

Should I put more than it says on my recipe? In the recipe is 3%. I found out that it's not as potent as v1.

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by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Well the rest of the flavors in that mix are pretty mild and easy to cover up. If you were to try more I wouldn't go above 4%. Might try a compromise of 3.5% and see how it is.

Honeydew II might be a little weaker but from what I looked up on it, not by much.

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by Airseirabout 8 years ago

Weight per 1ml Seems like this varies all over. What settings are people using for PG and VG? Seems 1.26g is the most common for VG but the PG varies a lot more. is 1.038 a reasonable weight?

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by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Are you talking about raw PG or flavorings based in PG?

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by Airseirabout 8 years ago

Raw PG

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by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Volume changes based on the room temp so that could be the fluctuation you're seeing.

1.038 is fine to use.

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by Turbonatorchargedabout 8 years ago

So I have a question and please forgive me if it has been answered a 100 times already. How to make my e juice sweeter overall, without losing flavor and tasting just sweetness on exhale. I guess I am looking for a way to pop sweetness in my strawberry or pineapple flavors, but without losing flavors. I have CAP Super Sweet, I use it at no more than 1%. It kinda leaves sweetener taste afterwards and tends to mute the flavor. What else could I use? So far I've used TPA Sweetener and CAP Super Sweet.

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by the710dudeabout 8 years ago

you can use it at a lower percentage, flavor west also sells a sweetner, and i believe it is sucralose as opposed to the stevia sweetner that cap uses. Also nude nicotine sells a different sweetner that i have but have not tried yet, but have heard is very good.

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by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

CAP is also sucralose, but they add some flavor enhancers by way of light acids and emulsifiers.

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

NN sells erithrytol in a vg solution. It is much better tasting than nasty ass splenda (sucralose), but you have to use a lot more of it than you would with the sucralose based sweeteners. Erithrytol is a sugar alcohol, basically the same as xylitol. Great for dental health, low carb, and a good natural sweetener.

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by skiddlzninjaabout 8 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

CAP super sweet, but 1 drop/10 mL. At this level it boosts flavors and doesn't take over the mix. Anything more than .3% and it's just sucralose with some fruit flavors.

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

What strawberry flavors are you using?

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by Turbonatorchargedabout 8 years ago

Cap sweet strawberry, TPA strawberry and strawberry ripe. For pineapple, so far I only used TPA pineapple. My creams (VBIC, Sweet Cream, Bavarian cream) and custards (tpa/cap vc1) always overpowers fruit, and when I try to sweeten the juice with CAP super sweet, it kills the flavor.

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

Ditch the TPA Custard. It's just not good. Same with Pineapple. Next order go with CAP Golden Pineapple. JF Strawberry Sweet is the CAP killer there, but CAP's version is a decent offering. How long are you letting your mixes steep? Have you tried FA Meringue instead of using sweetener?

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by FicZGBabout 8 years ago

One short question. I'm currently steeping 100ml of tobbaco e-liquid (70vg/30pg 6 mg nic), made it one week ago.

Is it a good idea to open the bottle for 1-2 minutes to let new air in or I will lose flavor this way ? I already know that you have to shake the bottle every 3-4 days while it's steeping.

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

This is referred to as breathing and is not necessary. It's done to let the alcohol in certain flavors evaporate quickly. Leaving the cap off though will also let the delicate flavor volatiles escape as well. That alcohol evaporates on its own during a normal steep.

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by FicZGBabout 8 years ago

I know about breathing, some folks leave the bottle opened overnight or longer. So the method I described is worthless right?

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by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

This isn't a good idea. Causes the flavor aromas to escape the mix fading the flavor.

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

Well breathing is exactly what you mentioned. It's not a method.

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by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

It can make a terrible flavor palatable but more often than not doesnt.

examples would be like say you mixed a flavor all over the place and it tastes kinda good but kinda like perfume (TFA). By slightly breathing one could try to remove the weird nuances. At that point in the game i just buy another tobacco flavor.

source: am lazy

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by Divenoabout 8 years ago

Hello guys, i recently returned to vaping, entering the RTA field with a Goblin Mini v3 + Pico. However, the cost of e-liquids here in Europe, is pretty massive (6e/10ml). Here is Greece we are under the Nicotine EU law as well, allowing for max 10ml bottle of 20mg/ml Nicotine boosters.

I did some research, here and in the Internet and ended up ordering these things as a "starter", balanced kit. (I hope so)

E-Liquid France Premium Base 0mg -100% PG
E-Liquid France Premium Base 0mg -100% VG
ELIQUID FRANCE - NICO PULSE - 20mg/ml Nic - 10ml bottle
TPA Dragonfruit
TPA DX Bavarian Cream
TPA Strawberry (Ripe)
TPA Vanilla Bean Gelato
TPA Vanilla Swirl
Some LPDE (i think) 10ml, 30ml empty bottles
A scale from 0.01g-100g with 0.01g accuracy.

I also found some recipees from the subreddit Wiki, and the first i am going to try is the Mother of Dragons one. I learned about steeping (will stay away of any time boosting methods other than time), i learned about keeping Nic in the dark in the fridge, how to add the mix by weight with a scale, shaking the juice mix everyday a little. Also i bookmarked this E-liquid calculator page which seems to fit my needs perfectly: http://www.steam-engine.org/juice.html

So guys, what do you think? What am i ignorant about? Any advice or recipe suggestion is more than welcome ! ty

Plus i got a comment on the DX Bavarian being different in steeping time than the regular? I thought it was the exact same but the diacetyl etc thinkgies.

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by coop34about 8 years ago

That Mother of Dragons is very nice, and I really recommend Mother of God Milk by the same mixer. If you can get non-dx bavarian cream then you should.

It looks like you have done your homework pretty well, I think that is the single biggest thing anyone can do to be successful. Looks like you're well on your way!

The laws concerning nic there suck, sorry to see that.

Welcome!

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by Divenoabout 8 years ago

Thanks, i bought a scale today to be ready. I was pretty sad about the DX Bavarian cream needing extra steeping time. WHile i leave my Khaleesi's milk steep, i am thinking of making a simpler recipe with straberry ripe and something?

Is there any component in my order that would fit a straberry something, low steep time ?

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by coop34about 8 years ago

Dragonfruit 1%

Ripe 4%

Swirl 2%

That should be ok as snv. I don't have Gelato, but have seen people mix it with ripe. Something like 5% ripe and 2-3% gelato.

I like dragonfruit enough by itself at 3-5%. And it does enhance otherwise bland strawberries like ripe.

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by Regoldanabout 8 years ago

Hello guys, I found a recipe on "all the flavor": CAP French Vanilla 3%, NY Cheesecake CP 3 % & Vanilla Custard v1 CAP 4 % and now the question I have Vanilla Custard v2 is there a difference? The second question the creator used a 40 PG/ 60 vg base I would use 50/50 ... Are there differences? Sorry for the bad english

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by coop34about 8 years ago

Opinions will vary, but to me V2 is good. But it does need a longer steep than V1. There will be a big difference in taste between fresh mixed and 1 month in.

And I personally would cut that NY Cheesecake in half, it's pretty cheesy:)

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by Regoldanabout 8 years ago

Ok thank´s a lot. I think creamy taste´s should always steep that long

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by indkamabout 8 years ago

Hello, guys! I need some help figuring out the math regarding my DIY e-liquid. Since this is my first time trying to make my own e-liquid, I find the ratios quite confusing.

Here are the things I have, Premixed base (1000ml) : 70/30 VPG; Nicotine (20mg/ml): 50/50 VPG; Flavour (10 ml): PG based;

Target: For starters, I would like to first try and make a 10ml batch with nicotine strength of 4mg/ml and hopefully, it has the ratio of 70/30 or at best 60/40.

Now I am not entirely sure if I should have got liquid nicotine shots that contained the same amount VPG ratio or can it be tweaked to achieve the target product?

How do I go about this?

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by leapinglabratsabout 8 years ago

If you have premixed base, you can't vary your VG/PG ratio by any other means than adjusting nic and flavorings.

For 4 mg nic, you'll use 0.2 ml of the nic base. If you add just above 10% flavoring to that, you'll end up with 60/40 juice, which is perfectly fine.

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by Airseirabout 8 years ago

Mistake buying Premix

Having been playing around with on-line juice calculators and my own calculations I just realized an error in ordering 70/30 mix.(VG/PG). Especially when mixing by weight not volume

if I put the weights in for PG and VG separately and run the calculation I notice that the calculator is accounting for more pg in my nic and flavour so increasing the VG required.

Seems a work around is to put in the weight per ml of my premix as if it was PG and do the calculation for 100% pg mix - this gets the weight correct.

But assuming I go for 10ml total volume, 3mg/ml Nic and 4% flavour mixed with 70/30 I am really creating a 63/37 juice.

I have got the math right here? approx 0.6g nic and 0.4 flavour = 1 gram which is 10% of the mix and VG which is then mixed with 70/30 gives 63/37 ratio edit: forgot to mention I am using 48mg/ml nic.

Edit: somehow I didnt see the post right below this - seems that this confirms my math. Guess the post wasn't there when I started my math and forgot to see if some-one posted an answer while I was doing it :)

I will try the 63/37 and see how I go and buy some VG if I want more.

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by leapinglabratsabout 8 years ago

Your math is correct for 3 mg/ml (2.78 unless you rounded down), assuming your nic is PG based.

Not sure why your calculator is giving you grief, but a 70/30 mix should weigh 1.18 g/ml.

As for premixes, I buy VG and PG separately, and mix them 70/30. Much easier to work with.

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by Airseirabout 8 years ago

the calculator is trying to balance the whole mix to make it 70/30 so adding more vg which is heavier than pg - so the weight required will be different to what the calculator says.

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by geb999about 8 years ago

Best coconut for use in a custard?

new-ish mixer here. I've made a ton of other peoples recipes but now I'm trying to craft a few for myself. custards are my mainstay and trying to put together a creamy coconut custard. So far I have TPA Bavarian cream; CAP or TFA Vanilla Custard; a touch of marshmallow for mouth feel and a bit of either whipped cream or fresh cream to lighten it up. Choosing the right coconut is what I'm having trouble with. I have several to choose from (including coconut candies) and tried TPA coconut extra at 1.5% which gave the mix a weird taste. What coconuts do you think would go well here and roughly at what percent? Would dropping the coconut extra down to say .75 or 1% do the trick? Last it seems to me coconut extra is not just a super strong version of TPA coconut but something all together different. any thoughts on that?

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by coop34about 8 years ago

Extra just ruins any mix for me. Capella and FLV Sweet Coconut go great together. There is only one coconut recipe that I like enough to keep a bottle mixed. I can't link it right now, but it's by /u/hashslingingslashur. You could look it up on alltheflavors.com. I believe some Cap VC would go well in this mix. Now I want some:)

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by HashSlingingSlashurabout 8 years ago

you mean this? :D

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by coop34about 8 years ago

Yes! Great recipe, I have kept on hand since you first posted it. So smooth. Just before getting started this morning, I was looking through half a dozen bottles trying to decide what to fill up with. Coconut Milk FTW!

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by geb999about 8 years ago

didn't have this mind but I do now. following you over at ATF - a number of your recipes look good.

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by geb999about 8 years ago

I love coconut and LOVE CAP VC1. I have about 5 different coconuts including FLV sweet coconut. the FLV is one that really tastes good. will try that at maybe 2% and see how it goes. thanks for the input.

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by ShotgunWedding0about 8 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

You can always adjust your percentages until you tweak it to how you like it, but I would suggest FLV Sweet Coconut for sure. It's amazing. Might even want to try a mix of the two coconuts and see how it goes. Coconut Extra can be a tough flavor to use, and it's definitely very concentrated for TFA.

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by geb999about 8 years ago

thanks. will try FLV sweet coconut and maybe FA coconut or perhaps TFA coconut (regular).

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

Dx Graham cracker - it tastes just like toasted coconut, which is the best coconut profile for custards and ice creams.

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by geb999about 8 years ago

thanks. had not considered that. I don't have any V2/DX flavors but based on your input I may get one of two on my next flavor order. Is that CAP or TPA graham cracker?

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

Tpa

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by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Don't go over 0.25 to 0.5% Coconut Extra, anything more will give you suntan lotion. 1.5%? Ugh. Terrible.

No coconut extra is not just a super strong version of TFA Coconut. You can look up the ingredients on TFA's website, Coconut Extra has things in it that Coconut does not. But they do have a lot in common.

Wanna know what I'd do if I wanted to make a coconut custard? My version 1 would be 6% CAP Vanilla Custard V1 plus /u/HashSlingingSlashur's Leche De Coco. I'd steep that for two weeks before even bothering to try it and then adjust if needed.

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by geb999about 8 years ago

thanks. as it turns out Leche De Coco is in my mixing queue right now. perhaps I'll mix two sample bottles - one as described and one with 6% CAP VC. will also take another try with my own mix with either much less coconut extra or a different coconut all together - perhaps TFA coconut regular to see how that works. appreciate the feedback.

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by mimsy01about 8 years ago

I just got in my first flavors for mixing my own. We love menthol's and mints here so of course I picked up a few of those and koolada. I ordered from gremlins, really nice company btw.

Now to the question, I have a bottle of LorAnns Peppermint Oil that I use in my coffee sometimes. The ingredients on the bottle say 100% essential oil. So I know essential oil does not have any lipids in it so should be safe to vape. However, I found this page http://bestvaporflavors.com/best-lorann-oils-vaping/ and I'm wondering if there is something else I am missing. Is there actual oil in this or some other dangerous property?

Thank you.

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by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Don't vape oils. This concentrate is based in oil. I don't know what makes you think it's safe but it is surely not. Plenty of other vendors make a peppermint flavor that is safe to vape. Try one of those.

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by mimsy01about 8 years ago

I thought it was the lipids that cause issues (lipid pnemonia-basically coats the lungs in oil). Since a lot of these other flavors I got (FA, INW and TPA) use essential oils as well, just a small amount in some of them. I had thought that mints used steam to get the essential oil, which would make it impossible to have lipids in it. At least that is how I understand it.

I'm not using it to make a vape with, since I'm too paranoid. But I would like to know what is in it that is actually dangerous, since it means there is either more than what is listed in the ingredient list (such as actual lipids) or ?

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by leapinglabratsabout 8 years ago

Most essential oils are distilled, but not all and unless you know the extraction method, I wouldn't bet my life that it doesn't contain lipids or other organic material. Why risk it when there are more reliable alternatives? Besides, the oil would probably just keep separating from the juice no matter how much you shook it, even after dilution.

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

This is sorta off topic, but get ws23 from ecigexpress

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by Jassoul01about 8 years ago

where do you guys buy your supplies? (bottles, measuring stuff etc) thanks! preferably in canada

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by ShotgunWedding0about 8 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Most of everything you need can be purchased on Amazon, if that's an option for you. Scale, beakers, rubber gloves, pipettes, syringes (if you want them), etc. Bottles can be found on Amazon as well but you can likely find them cheaper elsewhere. I found an eBay seller that only charged around $30-40 USD for 50x50ml bottles and 50x100ml bottles. Glassbottleoutlet is a good option as well, not sure if they ship to Canada though.

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by VaultToastabout 8 years ago

Hello! I'm a relatively new mixer and any flavour that contains any sort of dessert/cream rips my throat really bad. Every fruit mix turns out awesome, smooth and a proper throat hit. Anything with Custard (V1 or V2) VBIC, doughnut etc is just super harsh. Bavarian Cream isn't so bad, nor is Vanilla Swirl. I'm at my wits end because I don't wanna vape fruit forever.

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by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

You letting them steep for a couple of weeks?

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by VaultToastabout 8 years ago

A week I let them steep, the doughnut and VBIC get more harsh :l

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by getslashedabout 8 years ago

Just read that if you let the e-liquid "breathe" it will lose some flavor. I can't vape juices that have a lot of flavoring in it(15-20) beacause it makes me sick. As the most of the recipes today have that much flavor( for me at least) , is breathing a better solution than cutting off 20-30% of the flavoring?

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by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

I'd personally add less and not breathe. You won't be able to control which volatiles are escaping and how much. If you just add less you can still get the same balance of flavors that were intended.

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by getslashedabout 8 years ago

Thank you!

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by RamboUnchainedabout 8 years agoMixologist

Broke a cardinal rule and placed an order before doing my research. When I got my Noisy Cricket II, I also bought 30mL of nic from vapewild because I was broke. Just read the PSA that was posted about 10 months ago and now I'm afraid to use it. It's not murky or separated or giving off any weird smells. Should I just dump it and cut the loss ($5) or get one of [these] (https://wizardlabs.us/nicotine-test-kit) and see if it's ok first?

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

Those kits are titration kits. They will not tell you the quality of the nicotine, only the concentration. Their giveaway (regardless of how they tried to save face only AFTER I made the post on ECR) left a bad taste in people's mouths (pun works). They sell shitty juice to begin with. If it was 5 bucks and if it were me, I'd toss it and order the sample from CXT.

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by RamboUnchainedabout 8 years agoMixologist

Yeah I normally get my nic from CXT anyway. I just didn't have $60 at the time and needed a new mod more than I needed more nic. I have 50mL of smooth and 50mL of signature from NN that finally arrived after 17 days, so I'm gonna toss the vapewild nic and just order another 120mL from CXT.

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

Hell yeah. Use those salts!

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by LarryPer123about 8 years ago

I have a dumb mixing question..Please Help

I am really bad at math I have 0 nic 50/50 juice I have a bottle of 60mg nic

I want to dilute this to about 10 mg What ratio should I use, maybe I will do a 100ml bottle Thanks in advance :)

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by ChemicalBurnVictimabout 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

V1C1=V2C2

100(Volume to mix)*10(desired concentration)=V2(volume to add)*60(base concentration)

1,000/60= 16.7 ml of the 60 mg

You can plug in your numbers for any different volume.

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by LarryPer123about 8 years ago

Great Thanks

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by Sed8op8about 8 years ago

So I have been DiYing for awhile now and wouldn't consider myself new but still fairly amateurish as in I have only done single flavor testing in flavors I really like, my own recipes tend to be 2-4 flavors as I am not very good at layering or balancing flavors and although I am starting to amass a large collection of flavors I would be hard pressed to tell you what half of them taste like by themselves out of the mixes I enjoy them in.

My question and problem is I cannot find or make a recipe for an accurate tasting captain crunch and I have tried many. I am looking for something that tastes like Vapor Trail Northwest's Crunch Addict (VTNW is no longer in business sadly) Coval's Cereal 7 tastes somewhat close to what I am looking for. All of the mixes I have tried on All The flavors and ELR taste nothing like captain crunch. I have tried mixtures of TFA Berry Crunch,cereal 27, fw crunch cereal, fruit rings, fruity pebbles (I have not tried flavorahs crunch but heard it's disgusting) I am tired of mixing sink juice help me someone please

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by leapinglabratsabout 8 years ago

As you're not getting any response and I can't help you out here, I'll just share my thoughts on the matter. Replicating a flavor comes down to figuring out the main aroma of the source and trying to find that in a concentrate. If you can't find it, you're out of luck and your only option is to keep searching, quite possibly in vain, or drop the idea.

It's far easier to take a concentrate and figure out what you can make with it, than to find a concentrate for a specific flavor. Smelling or vaping a single flavor often reminds you of something, and if that sounds appealing, then there's your goal.

I may step on some toes here, but a lot of commercial juice probably comes about by accident. By that I mean that they don't start out with the set goal of the finished product, but rather experimenting with a bunch of flavors, perhaps with an idea in mind, and somewhere during development they end up with something delicious that just happens to be similar to Captain Crunch. So they put it in a fancy bottle with a mouthwatering description and voila, premium juice. But if you had asked them to specifically imitate Captain Crunch from the start, they probably couldn't do it.

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by MisterHousewifeabout 8 years ago

Dear sirs,

I'm new to DIY and trying some random stuff.

I would like to try and mix the Belgium Waffle and Banana Cream from tfa. Other than that it sounds good to me i have no way of actually knowing it will be any good. Is it wise to start mixing stuff because it sounds good?

Thank you for your advice dear sirs.

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

That's a fine starting point. Keep your percentages low, and keep in mind some flavors require a long steep to manifest.

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by Loredudeabout 8 years ago

okey, ive done a few DIY recepies now, and i have a question..

i have a nice recepie that works well without nic! but when i add nic to the mix (use online calc to maintain the VG/PG correct) the juice gets extremely harsh on the throat! even on 3mg, ive been trying with "ShakeandVape" fruit flavors, do i need to let it steep for like a week because of the nicotine??

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

Sounds like spoiled nicotine

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by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

wheres the nic from?

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by Murxy1about 8 years ago

Hello, wanted to ask if any of you have tried strawberry milkshake concentrates. Have tried avoria and it was garbage, are there any good brands?

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by leapinglabratsabout 8 years ago

Generally you're far better off making your own. Here are a few ideas.

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by Murxy1about 8 years ago

Do you have any ideas what strawberry would work like the INAWERA strawberry shisha? Thats the only flavour i cant get in my country :( (boogenshizzles recipe)

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by leapinglabratsabout 8 years ago

I would try a 3:1 ratio of TFA Strawberry Ripe and TFA Strawberry, but the profile you're aiming for is extremely forgiving. You can probably use any strawberry to great success.

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

I'm more addicted to ws23 than nic. Am I going to be OK? Why is this manna from heaven sold in such small quantities?!

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by Apexifiedabout 8 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Here you can get 100ml for about the same price as 20ml stateside. And the shipping is only about $6.

Or you can grab the crystals and make your own dilution.

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

Thanks! Never even considered ordering from abroad.

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by TwidgetUSNabout 8 years ago

I think I'm going to order from here, too! Do they sell anything else noteworthy that's hard to get stateside?

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by TwidgetUSNabout 8 years ago

I had fallen out of DIY for a bit, but now it's time to reorder nicotine, flavors, and find some WS-23.

Other than Ecigexpress.com, are there any US bases vendors that sell WS-23 amongst everything else at a reasonable price so I only need to place a single order?

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by Jassoul01about 8 years ago

Bought some flavors, wondering if you guys had any recommendations of what I could add to my cart to make more recipes

*Capella Kiwi

*Flavor Apprentice French Vanilla

*FA Fuji Apple

*FA Meringue

*FA Polarblast

*Flavor Apprentice Espresso

*Flavor Apprentice Strawberry

*Flavor Apprentice Cheesecake

*Flavor Apprentice Spearmint

I'd like to make a super minty excel gum like flavor and willing to add several flavors to make recipes that you guys think would work.

thanks a lot!

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by EdibleMalfunctionabout 8 years agoThat Sugar Cookie Guy

Hopefully that's Cheesecake Graham and not regular Cheesecake

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

FA forest mix

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by chewymidgetabout 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/wiki/first_order_flavors

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by Acute_Juiceabout 8 years ago

I made some juice, and it has a very "dry" feeling to it. Also, It literally drys my mouth out quite a bit. I am mixing at 60/40 VG/PG. I know PG drys you out, but this is ridiculous. Help save my saliva!!

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by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

What was the recipe?

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by Acute_Juiceabout 8 years ago

All TFA - Coconut - .5% Dragonfruit - 4% Pear - 6% Pineapple - 3% nic - 3 55/45 VG/PG

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by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

That is a lot of both Pear and Pineapple. How long did you steep that? What kind of device are you using? Have you tried those flavors individually and at those % and found one or more of them to have a dryness issue?

Need more info to try to diagnose the problem.

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by ssbowtie1about 8 years ago

Hi guys I'm looking to make a good strawberry liquid. Will 3:1 tfa strawberry ripe and strawberry work or would you add anything else to it? Like strawberry shisha or another fruit?

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by Kewkewmoreabout 8 years ago

Tfa strawberry and ripe + tfa dragon fruit is a pretty standard practice to give more depth to the strawberry.

Also check the fotw posts for strawberry for even more cool things to do.

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by br4d24about 8 years ago

Wanting to make a nice glazed lemon poppyseed cake/muffin. Im a complete noob when it comes to making my own recipies but i have looked up a few real poppyseed cake recipies and am getting ideas for what flavors would work best. Heres some flavors i own and have picked out (that might work well in this mix). Any percentage suggestions or flavor suggestions are much appreciated!

Heres the flavorings im thinking about using:

  • FW Yellow Cake - A classic flavoring that will hopefully give that nice fluffy, buttery cake flavor.
  • CAP Butter Cream or CAP Golden Butter - To emulate that buttery baked taste, will probably use this at low percentages
  • CAP Juicy Lemon or FA Lemon Sicily - Thinking of using both of these together, as far as i understand lemon sicily seems better suited for bakery flavors and has a creamy element to it?
  • CAP French Vanilla or TPA Vanilla Swirl - To add some nice subtle vanilla to the mix, hopefully will round out rough edges and add some smoothness. Not sure which one will work best. Also will hopefully add to the glaze flavor notes.
  • TPA Sweet Cream or FA Fresh Cream - Hopefully will add some sweetness to the mix and emulate the sugary glaze along with the vanilla notes
  • I also have some other flavorings that might work well/replace what i have listed above (CAP Sugar Cookie, INW Biscuit, TPA Grahamcracker Clear, FA Joy, TPA Marshmallow, FA Meringue, TPA Whipped Cream, TPA Bavarian Cream)

Now what i am completely lost on, is how i would be able to emulate the poppyseed flavor in this recipe. I have some hazelnut flavoring and i also have some AP but i have no idea if either of those would even get remotely close to what im looking for.

Really would appreciate some help, hopefully this post doesnt annoy any of you - i tried to add as much info as i could with notes and reasoning for my concentrate selections. I searched on ELR and can not find any recipes for a Lemon Poppyseed muffin or cake, i would just try and adapt one of those mixes if they were available. I know this flavor is possible to make because ive had a lemon poppyseed juice before and it was bang on and is one of my all time fav juices.

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by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Try this recipe:

https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/7037#lmn_by_runtdastardly

And/Or this one:

https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/17821#simple_lemon_cake_w_cream_cheese_frosting_by_rageisalotofwork

I don't really get it, but some people swear they get a poppy seed flavor from INW Lemon Cake. If you don't want to buy all of the flavors for either or both of those, at least get INW Lemon Cake and try it by itself and see if it's along the lines of what you're looking for.

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by br4d24about 8 years ago

Awesome thanks so much! Will be adding that flavor to my next order :D

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