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NSFW Chocolate 101
submitted about 8 years ago by bobbysavageResident Tobacco Specialist

Ancient use

The cacao tree (Theobroma cacao) is native to Central and South America, and grows wild from southern Mexico to the southern edges of Amazonia. It is generally believed to have been domesticated in Mesoamerica originally by the Mayans roughly 2400 -3350 years before present.

The name Theobroma is derived from the Greek words θεός (theos), meaning "god," and βρῶμα (broma), meaning "food". It translates to "food of the gods." The seeds were revered as a divine gift by the Aztecan and Mayan people who made a bitter beverage consisting of cacao seeds, maize, possibly vanilla, and Capsicum peppers >(Capsicum peppers oddly enough, are a genus of the nightshade family Solanaceae . Shoutout /u/Solanaceaeenthusiast).

The Mayan word 'xocolatl' means 'bitter water'.

The cacao seeds once had so much value that they were used as a form of currency. These seeds were fermented, dried, and roasted. The shells are removed, leaving the cacao nibs. The nibs are crushed into a thick paste called chocolate liquor (despite the name, it does not contain alcohol), which is made up of cocoa solids and cocoa butter.

Cooked cacao beans contain upwards of 600 different chemicals that include but are not limited to:

  • Caffeine - a stimulant.
  • Theobromine - a mild stimulant with possible psychoactive effects. Also used to treat high blood pressure.
  • Tryptamines - make you feel good
  • Phenylethylamine- make you feel good
  • Phenylalanine - Amino acid converted to dopamine (long story short)
  • Flavonoids - antioxidants with anti-inflammatory and immune sytem benefits

No wonder, ancient people considered cacao divine they were melting faces way before Grateful Dead or Shpongle. I'm sure not long after its discovery, drum circles got way mo' better. Who knows the Amen break, Drum N Bass, and PsyTrance, all may have been invented before Christ. (citation needed)

Don't go chasing god with hersheys though, because you'll probably get sick first.

Disclaimer I am not recommending people try to intoxicate themselves with cacao beans. Maybe consult someone who knows what the fuck they are doing, if you want to fuck with that.

Stops to make /u/HashSlingingSlashur Leche de Coco

Chocolate & Europe

Chocolate was brought back to Spain from The Americas sometime in the 16th century.

In 1657, the first English chocolate houses opened, much like today’s coffee houses. The drink was still considered a luxury and the shops were only open to men as a place to gamble and discuss politics.

In 1659 the first chocolaterie was opened Paris.

Until the mid 18th century, chocolate was made basically how the Mayans had produced it. During the industrial revolution, a series of technological inventions changed the way chocolate was made. Im paraphrasing and am going to copy/paste.

>First, a hydraulic machine was invented to grind cocoa beans into paste.Soon after, another Frenchman created a steam driven chocolate mill. It was now possible to grind huge amounts of cocoa and mass-produce chocolate inexpensively and quickly so it was available to people all over Europe.

>In 1829 a Dutch chemist, invented the cocoa press. It squeezed the cocoa butter out of the bean leaving the powder we now call cocoa. He also added alkaline salts to powdered chocolate, which helps it mix better with water, and gives it a darker color and milder flavor. This process is called “dutching” after the nationality of the inventor. All of these innovations made chocolate smoother, creamier and tastier.

>This separation allows chocolatiers to add different amounts of cocoa butter and cocoa powder together to make various flavors of chocolate. Without the cocoa press, we would not have white chocolate, milk chocolate or cocoa powder for making hot cocoa and baking

    1. Invention of the cocoa press.
    1. Chocolate mixed with nuts.
  • 1847. World’s first chocolate bar (candy type). Only 170 years ago
    1. Milk chocolate is invented, with the addition of condensed milk.
    1. The “conching” machine creates rich, smooth cocoa paste.
    1. The process of dipping chocolate candies is automated by the “enrobing” machine.
    1. Pralines or filled chocolates invented in Belgium.

Belgium was a Spanish territory and therefore had access to cocoa beans and the recipe for making chocolate. Belgium also had a colony in the Congo where they grew cocoa trees and therefore, always had access to the beans. This helped make Belgium one of the major chocolate making centers of the world.

As you can see chocolate is a relatively new luxury to the modern world.

You can read about US Military Chocolate here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_chocolate

Flavors responsible for chocolate's taste (include but not limited to):

2- and 3-methylbutanoic acids, dimethyl trisulfide, 2-ethyl-3,5-dimethylpyrazine, 1-pentanol, 3-(methylthiol)-propionaldehyde, methylbenzene, methylpyrazine, , ethenylpyrazine, pyridine, 2-methylpyridine, 1-(2-furanylmethyl)-1H-pyrrole, 1H-indole and dimethyl ). benzyl alcohol (5) and dihydro-2-methyl-3(2H)-furanone were only recently reported in dark chocolates. Specific nitrogen heterocycles from Maillard reactions included: 3(or 2),5-dimethyl-2(or 3)-ethylpyrazine, 3,5-(or 6)-diethyl-2-methylpyrazine (53), 2,3-dimethyl-1H-pyrrole, 3-ethyl-2,5-dimethyl-1H-pyrrole

and the list goes on...

http://www.flavours.asia/uploads/7/9/8/9/7989988/chocolate_dark_volatiles.pdf

Pairings

The flavor of chocolate is very complex. Not all of these flavors are "safe for vaping." Pyrazines seem very prevalent though, and go very well with chocolate as do many fruit, nut, tobacco, cream, cinnamon, vanilla, butterscotch, bakery, caramel, possibly some floral or spice flavors, liquor/liqueur and coffee flavors.

Flavors available to us that we can use (include but not limited to):

  • TFA Bittersweet Chocolate Extra - Smells a bit darker I havent used mine yet due to time constraints. Reminds me of Seduce Juices Chunky Monkey recipe. Im sure it used this.

  • TFA Double Chocolate Clear - Pretty tasty at 1% I get as chrisdvr describes: somewhere between cocoa powder and Hershey's syrup.

  • TFA White Chocolate - Not sure

  • FW White CHocolate

  • FLV Milk chocolate my new love - hashslingingslashur/PerennialPhilosopher/id10-t

  • FLV White Chocolate

  • FLV Smore, -moneyb22

  • FA Cocoa - Ive seen mixed reviews

  • FA Chocolate - I havent tried it.

  • HS Australian Choc - Highly rated

  • HS Chocolate Cream - havent tried

  • Bakers Flavors Chocolate Truffle! - deejaymillsync

  • INW Milk Chocolate - Raved about in the past. recently reformulated

  • MF White Chocolate - Ive heard good things

  • and the list goes on...

As you can see I am not too well versed in all the chocolate flavorings. I feel a little blasphemous for not having more flavor notes for y'all. I am just starting to dive down this rabbit hole but am intrigued by it's history. I will update this with more of my own tasting notes as I can.

Oh and shoutout /u/ilikeycoffee the inspiration for this post. creep their submitted history and search the page for "DIY_ejuice" for more great info.

My recipe aged into shit. Try enyawreklaw's golden ticket instead.

https://diyordievaping.com/2016/03/25/golden-ticket-chocolate-milk-remix/

Here's some sauce http://www.mdpi.com/search?q=Origin+and+Domestication+of+Native+Amazonian+Crops&authors=&article_type=&journal=diversity&section=&special_issue=&volume=&issue=&number=&page=&search=Search

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6 points
 
by HashSlingingSlashurabout 8 years ago

FLV Milk chocolate my new love.

10% dilution and that 15ml will go a long way.

3 points
 
by PerennialPhilosopherabout 8 years ago

Vaping a mix with some FLV Milk Chocolate right now. Will second this.

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by ID10-Tabout 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Yep, mine too!. A little bit goes a very long way. And a little FLV Sweet Coconut helps it out considerably.

5 points
 
by HashSlingingSlashurabout 8 years ago

this post is awesome. I wish ilikeycoffee did more of them but I'm glad you picked up the baton. Thanks for the shout btw, I was skipping around the post before I saw that you mentioned my recipe :)

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by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

Thanks dude! I miss /u/ilikeycoffee as well, they made some awesome posts. I can never fill those shoes. However the sub needs a recent chocolate discussion, and I am fascinated by the topic lately.

I have no FLV concentrates listed and that was not on purpose. Good looking out on the recommendation.

On the subject of your coconut milk recipe: It's delicious but something is up with either the way I taste FA meringue or FA meringue. Its way too eggy bordering sulfuric. I dont think its your recipe.

Ive vaped 40ml of Meringue no problem but this last 30ml I got was off. Vienna Cream seems to get the job done and I don't need FA Marshmallow afterall

Good Shit either way. If i still tasted meringue the same It'd be even mo' better. idk weird anecdote I saw someone else having the same experience but cant find the thread now.

2 points
 
by ilikeycoffeealmost 8 years agoExtractor

> Thanks dude! I miss /u/ilikeycoffee as well, they made some awesome posts. I can never fill those shoes.

Wow... you're far too kind! I really appreciate the nods guys; still around, but I just have kind of been out of the "vaping scene" out of depression mostly as to how various governments in Canada are completely cracking down on everything vape, as if it were tobacco.

2 points
 
by bobbysavagealmost 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

im terrible at response times. I love you and know how it goes.

come to TX. we have... uhm... whataburger.

5 points
 
by Enyawreklawabout 8 years agoCreator - Best Recipe of 2015: Rhodonite

This is an awesome post. One thing that I've found difficult with chocolates is the texture. It really makes the experience. A touch of TFA Butter or Custard helps carry it, and i've found AP does nothing to chocolate flavorings except add a corn chip flavor, but maybe a dilution will help. One thing the original INW Milk Chocolate captured was some of that texture, but still lacked in chocolate's extreme richness. FLV/JF Milk Chocolate are probably my favorite right now, but they're far from perfect.

2 points
 
by loIwtfabout 8 years agoPâtissier

You don't like HS Australian Choc? I recently got it but I haven't messed with it yet.

1 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

Thank you dude. Sorry on response time. Life is weird.

I was thinking about adding custard and chocolate together as well. You've sold me on it bromigo.

I definitely have to dilute AP to use like 0.05% AP5 - or half a percent of 10% dilution (1:9 parts). Corn Chips is indicative of too much AP but if the flavors we are using, already contain it... well you know the rest. I'll get back to you on some exact percentages. There is too much info/history on chocolate to write about it all in one post.

Again sorry on response time. I recently just responded to a 3month old message. Thanks for dropping some knowledge

4 points
 
by moneyb22about 8 years ago

I would also recommend FLV Smore, here is a review of the flavor https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/6awla6/flv_smore/

4 points
 
by loIwtfabout 8 years agoPâtissier

/u/Bobbysavage, based on the recipe you mentioned, I think you would possibly enjoy this recipe by HIC: Toscanello Fondente Cigar. It's just 2% of FA Tuscan Reserve & 2% FA Cocoa. It is definitely worth a mix IMO.

1 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

That sounds good. One day ima buy one of everything from BCV.

Until then... Bobas Bounty is next. 100$ for the GCMS from TFA

Did you ever try shisha tobacco? Sorry on response time and thank you for the recommendation.

1 points
 
by loIwtfabout 8 years agoPâtissier

Are you talking about INW Shisha tobacco drop? I have that flavor and I've tried it standalone actually.

1 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

That's the one. I saw you have it as well. Have you tried it yet?

I made a bottle a few days ago, and haven't got around to it.

4 points
 
by deejaymillsnycabout 8 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Bakers Flavors Chocolate Truffle!

1 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

Lemme find out. Sorry on response time and thank you for the recommendation.

What percentage do you fuck with?

2 points
 
by deejaymillsnycabout 8 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

.5 is plenty

2 points
 
by Baphometabout 8 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Fucking. Savage.

2 points
 
by bobbysavageabout 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

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