I'm new in DIY. This is my attempt to clone Rasmus by VapourEyes and this is my first public recipe :D I can't say it's 1:1 clone, but it's pretty close IMO. At least i can enjoy it and can't stop myself from mixing this juice again and again. Hope you guys will enjoy it.
Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (TPA) 0.33%
Bourbon (Vanilla Bourbon) (FA) 1%
Fuji Apple (FA) 0.2%
Raspberry (Malina Koncentrat) (INAWERA) 2%
Vanilla Swirl (TPA) 1%
Acetyl Pyrazine even at low percentages adds some good cookie-ish background and mouthfeel.
Bourbon (Vanilla Bourbon) adds some bourbon notes and depth. it has specific taste and can't be substituted with TFA Kentucky Bourbon.
INW Raspberry is a key flavour here. INW Raspberry has uniq flavour and i'm sure this flavour is a part of original Rasmus. I tried to use it in pair with TFA Sweet Raspberry, but it adds additional sweetness to recipe and gives flavour profile which is far away from original recipe. Please don't be scared with 2%. I tried to lower percentage and it gave me results different from what i expected
Fuji Apple even at low percentages add some sourness and fresh taste to Raspberry. I felt this note at original recipe and FA Fuji gives that. Can't be used at higher percentages
Vanilla Swirl in pair with Vanilla bourbon this flavour adds more vanilla depth.
mix at 85%VG
steep 3+ days, but enjoable after good shake and overnight steep
P.S. Even if it's very close this isn't a final version. But i feel little tired trying to clone this juice. I'll take few months break from it to return back later with a fresh head.
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UPD: Last night mixed another variation of this clone. it's more far away from original juice, but i enjoying it even more than previous version. link to ELR
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NOTE: Please don't oversteep this juice. It can start muting after ~2 weeks of steeping
Great post, I'm smiling like a madman over here, my first clone thread! =:D
i still not sure about AP and Vanilla Swirl. even having 200+ flavours i feel those 2 need to be replaced with something i still not have. i'll be able to get a bunch of new flavours 1-2 months later. going to get something cookie/biscuit/not-toasted-pie based (mb with addition of vanilla/cream) to play with. AP doing a good job here, but it's something similar. not the same flavour.
i'm almost sure that those flavours were not used in Rasmus:
- TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust - i found nothing related to Cheesecake in Rasmus
- Cap NY Cheesecake
- INW Biscuit - too specific flavour
- JF Biscuit - too specific flavour
- Cap Sugar Cookie - adds additional sweetness to recipe. original not so sweet
- FA Apple Pie - too toasted flavour
- Cap Vanilla Custard v1 - too specific flavour. should be noticeable in original, but it's not
Not sure about these flavours. They may be used, mb not. But using them i get something different to original:
- TFA Bavarian Cream
- TFA Graham Cracker clear
- Cap Vanilla Whipped Cream
- FA Vienna Cream
- TFA Vanilla Swirl
- and bunch of some another creams which smell to milky
trying to find some AP/"FA Apple Pie"-ish heavy not toasted base for this recipe. i think it's not Vanilla Bourbon at higher %, but something else.
i need to give some break for my taste receptors. i still have ~50ml of original juice left to compare it with my new attempts
Good first public post.
> adds some bourbon notes
I was always of the understanding it grew on Bourbon Island (now called Reunion Island) for that particular Vanilla. But hell, I'm just a Beer drinker anyway.
i understand that this flavour is more on heavy caramel-vanilla side. mb it's autosuggestion, but i feel something bourbon-based there. initially i tried to clone this juice with Kentucky Bourbon, but Vanilla Bourbon sits better there. i'm almost sure original juice have this flavour. i'm sorry, but sometimes for me it's difficult to describe how something taste. sometimes i just feel that some flavour should be there
In all honesty, you've done a better job on the descriptions than I could have. Being an old fuck, I drink Beer. Not Ale or Lager. Wine I know as Red or White.
I certainly understand and appreciate all the nuances, can almost taste the flavors together, but it's just not in me.
Kudos to you!
Hey OP, I just want to point out that any bourbon whiskey notes you get from FA Bourbon are caused by placebo. It is actually a bourbon vanilla flavor, bourbon vanilla being a specific species of the Vanilla genus. Vanilla planifora to be exact.
You may recognize the taste of Bourbon Vanilla as it's more common name(IME), Madagascar Vanilla, as Vanilla planifora is the species of Vanilla that is native to Madagascar.
Since you're still working on this, I'd suggest using TFA KY Bourbon with INW Shisha Vanilla, as they have an interesting interaction, and may be what folds TFA KY Bourbon into the flavor profile.(since you mentioned that it doesn't work here.)
Also, what percentages have you tried TFA KY Bourbon in this recipe? Have you tried other bourbon-esque flavors?(FA Oakwood, FA Whiskey, FW Whisky)
> I'd suggest using TFA KY Bourbon with INW Shisha Vanilla
i tried to use Shisha Vanilla but without KY Bourbon. will try to use them together to see what it will give.
i tried KY bourbon in my first attempts at 1%-1.5%. with no steeping KY bourbon at 1.5% was too strong there. At 1% it was ok, but i felt it was a wrong flavour. after switching it it FA Vanilla Bourbon i got result closer to original juice.
>> Have you tried other bourbon-esque flavors?(FA Oakwood, FA Whiskey, FW Whisky)
nope. but thank you for idea. i have both whiskey flavours. i will add oakwood in my wish list and will try to play with whiskey flavours today
p.s. do you know is it possible to get mutation of juice after 2 weeks of steeping? the reason i going to take some break in my attempts to clone this juice - i start thinking that juice i ordered previously starts tasting differently from how it tasted initially. raspberry faded there and started being almost not noticeable. but at the same time i still feel raspberry taste squashing bottle with juice. background of juice started to taste differently from what i remember. i'm not sure is something wrong with me because of daily attempts to make a clone or something can be wrong with original juice?
Yes, juice with flavors such as these will change substantially after 2 weeks or a month.
> Bourbon (Vanilla Bourbon) adds some bourbon notes and depth. it has specific taste and can't be substituted with TFA Kentucky Bourbon.
Ehm. It is a vanilla, not a bourbon. And I am sure it does not add bourbon notes. So of course it can't be substituted with a bourbon. An other Vanilla might probably work.
Thank you for sharing this, I will try it, sounds very tasty!
Hi OP, I'm a Rasmus fan so gave this one a go. It's not bad but definitely missing something on the exhale- perhaps it's that touch of bourbon. However I'll admit I struggle to taste any bourbon in the original. I'm going to reduce the AP on my next batch & see if i can sour the exhale up a touch.
Like Mo said this is a great base to make something different/better than Rasmus!
Thanks brother
thanks for a feedback.
i'm continuously playing with this base, trying to add something else or tweaking percentages. recently ordered another bunch of flavours to play with. i should receive them at next week or mb little later
to make it more sour try to add some FA Raspberry (~1%)
if you interested i can post some interesting (by my opinion) attempts
here is one of latest:
Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (TPA) 0.33
Berryl (Raspberry) (FA) 1
Bourbon (Vanilla Bourbon) (FA) 1
Kentucky Bourbon (TPA) 1.5
Meringue (FA) 0.75
Raspberry (Malina Koncentrat) (INAWERA) 1.75
Vanilla Shisha (INAWERA) 0.33 (can be replaced with FA Apple Pie 1-1.25% to achieve another variation of this recipe)
i don't think it's closer to original juice than previous attempt, but i just trying to find something interesting
I'm very interested. I'll have to order some more flavours, I'll wait to & see your other variants before I do.
Thanks again
i'll post here another variants, but it will not be too often. i love this flavour profile and even making another experimental attempt i mix 60-120ml of that, vape and steep in process :) it takes couple of days to finish another attempt before trying a new one
another attempt:
Acetyl Pyrazine 5% 0.33
Apple Pie (FA) 1
Berryl (Raspberry) (FA) 1.5
Bourbon (Vanilla Bourbon) (FA) 1
Kentucky Bourbon (TPA) 2
Meringue (FA) 0.75
Raspberry (Malina Koncentrat) (INAWERA) 2
Raspberry (Sweet) (TPA) 1
as for me it's too sour. mb it worth to add some sweet vanilla based flavour into this mix or reduce raspberries.
try that:
Beetle Juice (FW) 1%
Glazed Doughnut (CAP) 1%
Raspberry (Malina Koncentrat) (INAWERA) 1.5%
Raspberry (Sweet) (TPA) 3%
it's not a rasmus, but interesting enough
some time later i going to buy some Razzleberry (FW). people say that it tastes good in pair with inw raspberry