Sup reddit? Vince here and I've got a recipe for ya'll.
This one started because I was confused by all the recipes called milk and honey out there. None of them taste like milk and honey. I took notes from a couple of milk bases I enjoy and began with that.
Edit: this is not a cosmic fog milk & honey clone, this is just a straight up soothing glass of milk with honey
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0.6% (FA) Cream Fresh
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0.3% (FW) Hazelnut
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0.22% (FA) Honey
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0.6% (FA) Meringue
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0.5% (FLV) Milk & Honey
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2% (FLV) Vanilla Custard
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3% (TPA) Vanilla Swirl
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1% (FA) Vienna Cream
The milk base: FA cream fresh + FW hazelnut + FA meringue + FLV vanilla custard + TPA vanilla swirl + FA Vienna cream.
Yeah, there's a lot to this base.
We are all familiar with these components. Vanilla swirl with Vienna cream and meringue are nice and milky from the start but they are not enough to stand up to the hulk that is FA honey. Vienna cream/meringue are kind of the thickeners here. I want the vape to be dense and lavish which these two bangers by FlavourArt provide.
FLV vanilla custard and FW hazelnut provide us with a spark of diketones to give the mouthfeel some touching up. I chose to use FLV vanilla custard because it likes to play the outfield as opposed to the more forward CAP/TPA vanilla custards, but go ahead and sub Capella if you don't have the FLV. The hazelnut is really essential for milks as many other DiYers have pointed out, it's got a light malty-ness that works so well. (fuck you TPA dairy milk and TPA malted milk).
I've played a lot with these % and the 0.6 and 0.3s you see are no accident.
Lastly, the cream fresh is here to push forward that dairy/milky feel, its light and sort of fluffy and just essential to finishing the milk base. I tried many variations on the base but a touch of cream fresh had to be there. There you have it; thick milky glory!
Go ahead and use this milk base for whatever your heart desires. It's pretty similar to plenty of other milk bases out there so yeah I'm not reinventing the wheel here.
The honey: FLV milk and honey with FA honey
A half percent of milk and honey is quite nice. This concentrate works so well with creams and bakeries to act as a sweetener. It's got a dark sweetness that kind of emulates honey but veers more into molasses territory. I get honey from it but it isn't just honey. Without milk and honey, the FA honey just was not satisfying enough. With these two guys working together you get a really nice depth to the honey taste. FA honey is a straight up beastly honey flavor, a 10ml bottle should last you a couple years at minimum. Go ahead and use this combo of Honey/Milk & Honey in your graham cereals or baked goods and I betcha you'll love it. Be advised, FA honey needs quite a steep to settle into a mixture; at first it's just too forward and borderline nasty. (just my opinion)
FA honey is a real bitch. It's a wonderful honey taste but really tough to work with here. Honey is the main attraction and I had to strike a balance between a gross floral mess and a delicious glass of milk with honey. 0.15% wasn't enough, 0.3% was too much, 0.25% felt like just slightly too much so I landed on 0.22% which really only works when you're making like 30-40+ ml. (yes I dumped a lot of juice trying to nail this one)
There you have it. This one is a steeper. I recommend a minimum of 3 weeks but if you can wait a full month more power to you. This took quite some time to develop just because that long ass steep time but I really like how it turned out.
Here's a bonus recipe to vape while you are waiting for that guy to steep:
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0.5% (INW) Cactus
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2% (CAP) Cantaloupe
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0.5% (NN) Erythritol Solution (5%)
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1% (JF) Honeydew Melon
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1% (FA) Red Summer (watermelon)
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3% (LA) Watermelon
Edit: things and stuff
CF Milk & Honey was my first flavor and it was amazing. I've tried every Boss Reserve and Milk & Honey recipe I can find trying to come close, and I feel like I never have.
I agree with what you said about FA Honey. Every recipe I've used it in has been just terrible, but they've all called for way more than .22% .
I'm going to stay cautiously optimistic of this one, but I definitely want to believe.
If you mix it please let me know what you think! After breaking out a month old bottle I decided to post this because it's downright yummy and soothing, great with coffee or tea !
Have you ever tried Cosmic Fog Milk & Honey, and can comment on any similarities? I ask only because I didn't really get the impression that CF tasted like Milk & Honey, but it was amazing anyways. People either seem to be chasing a true Milk & Honey flavor, or they want to duplicate something yummy they've had from another vendor.
I've had cosmic fog and I have a recipe very similar to it that for me is an adv. I call it Cosmic custard lol. It's basically TPA marshmallow, a touch of TPA peanut butter with some graham cracker and FLV vanilla custard. It's delicious AF but it isn't milk and honey, it's more like cosmic fog milk and honey. I took all the cosmic fog clones and tweaked to my liking.
As for your main question: this recipe tastes nothing like CF milk & honey
I've been trying to nail down M&H. I'm pretty certain its a type of banana giving that "honey" flavor. But mostly been coming up short.
I don't know anything about Cosmic Fog Milk & Honey, but I have sampled commercial juices with "honey" in the name that I'm absolutely sure have FA Butterscotch standing in for the "honey" flavor. I doubt very seriously it has any bearing on your Cosmic M&H clone since that sounds like a fruitier honey. But when mixed with a cinnamon pastry like CAP CDS or FW Cinnamon Roll, and no other butterscotch or caramel flavors round out that FA B'scotch, it really does taste kinda honeyish. Maybe that'll help with one of your other remix month things, or maybe it's just more ID10-T idle rambling.
Speaking of creating a "honeyish" taste with non-honey flavors...
About seven years ago, I attempted a coconut tobacco mix. Didn't know what I was doing, just figured if I threw enough of my favorite stuff at the bottle it was sure to be good.
After mixing it was over-flavored with tobaccos and fairly contaminated with EZ-Sweetz, with a hint of coconut in the back. Meh, set it aside.
Two months later I came across that bottle and decided to give it another go... at that point it had an incredible deep, rich, sweet honey flavor and a solid mellow tobacco background. No cat piss nastiness but a delectable room note. Best mix I ever made, best honey flavor ever. And there was nary a drop of honey flavoring in it.
And in the years since, despite having a written recipe, I have been unable to come even close to the original bottle.
Perfect, another way I can use that M&H. I'll make this later on today =D thanks for the recipe
FLV Milk and Honey goes very will with most FLV Tobaccos that you want to add a creamy texture to.
I'm ordering FA Honey now just to try this recipe. Looks delicious!
Awesome, I think you're in for a treat! Thanks for trying it.
Mixed up a 120ml from the get go and just cracked it open this weekend man. You killed it.
Dropped you a review on ATF.
=] fuckin sweet. I'm glad your 120ml gamble paid off. I hate when I do that and the recipe is just meh. That happened to me with the new Pistachio RY4U, everyone loved it so I made a huge bottle. I let it steep for a month and then dumped it down the drain.
Thanks for the feedback and I'm glad you're enjoying! <3
I feel like FA Honey is actually super terrible and everyone knows it except me, and ya'll are posting delicious looking recipes and talking about it and making me want to waste yet another $4 plus shipping.
sigh Off I go...
hmm...now I'm wondering if your bonus recipe will work with other brands (because I have all those flavors, just not in the brands you've listed). I'm gonna try it this week and see how it turns out.
Might give the milk & honey a go as well. I've used the honey before and not been overly fond of it, but not given it a good long steep time--only about two weeks before--so maybe that extra two weeks of steeping was what was missing before.
the recipe is good with subs i'm sure but the star of the show there is JF honeydew melon. If you don't have that one it won't be nearly as good as it should be.
And yes, this is a satisfying vape. If you do give it a go please let me know what you think. FA honey is tricky but a good steep settles it down, you really need a light hand with this stuff.
0.22% FA Honey?
What?
Wut wrong?
It's just a very weird number to land on.
There's not much, or likely any, difference between 0.20% and 0.25%. So 0.22% seems a bit odd.
Yeah I'm weird. I mixed a few revisions at the same time and the one with 0.22% honey tasted the best so I posted it like this. I doubt there's big difference between 0.2 to 0.22 but I'm just going to leave it. It ain't broke so I'm not gonna fix it lol
I think milk & honey threw a lot of people off because the name was taken literally (understandably so), I always took it as the biblical style reference, i.e. Paradise, the land of milk & honey, etc.
Anytime people start talking about honey flavorings it leads me back to my old obsession with that Lost Art Beez Kneez eliquid, I still can't for the life of me figure out how they got that honey flavor in it
That sounds yummy I've never had anything from lost art. What was the flavor profile of that juice?
Fuck I can see the work that has gone into this beast. Great description and write-up.
All I'm missing is FLV Custard, so will sub with TFA or CAP. And will report back in a month (yeah I know,they all say that)
I might have judged too early but after a two week steep the colour of the juice was getting darker and I couldn't take it anymore just had to try it. 5/5 for a true Milk & Honey vape!