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RF SC Condensed Milk
submitted over 8 years ago by ConcreteRiveraka IceT'sHamSandwich

Setup: Recoil w/ flavor barrel, Dual 15 wrap 26g 3mm Nifethal 70 coils @.15 ohms. 60w power, 450F temp limit. Full Cotton Wicks.

Testing: RF SC Condensed Milk @ .25%, 2%, and 4%, 60/40 VG/PG, Steeped 11 days.

Flavor Description: Pretty straight ahead condensed milk taste up front, but some textural issues on the back end that kind of keeps this from clicking as a really thick, rich condensed milk. Good level of sweetness, with a ligher caramelized milk sugar character. Not a whole lot of aggressive dairy, but that's pretty accurate for condensed milk. Starts out promising and medium-dense, but seems to thin out on the tail end of the exhale. I'd use maybe a wetter cream to fill this out for a good pastry cream or lighter custard, or keep it dry and use it for something like a pie filling. Concentration-wise, this is tricky. I get a good amount of actual flavor from this down as low as .25%, but it's all in the top notes. It tastes like condensed milk, but it really doesn't feel like condensed milk, if that makes any sense. At 2% I'm getting a good amount of mouthfeel, but i feel like it dries out substantially toward the back end. I'd recommend mixing with this at between .5-1.5% depending on how much mouthfeel you want to bring to the party.

Inhale is sweet and a bit dry. Some shaper brown-sugar / caramel notes up top but not a whole of flavor in the base. Pretty heavily sweet though, pretty natural tasting. Exhale opens up with the carmalized milk sugar note here, and it's really nice. Not too dark, with some buttery creamy base to it. Back half of the exhale thins out substantially though. At lower percentages it tastes watery, and at higher percentages it tastes dry. Sweetness level is dead on for condensed milk, and the mouthfeel up front is fairly thick and rich. Finish is just a bit too clean, you'd expect this to a flavor that sticks to your palate, and this doesn't.

Worth noting that this is super dark, but it's not sticky or inky. I noticed no issues with coil gore.

Off-flavors: Not really, flavor is pretty spot on. No weird maple note to this like bavarian creams. Touch of caramel to this, but it's accurate to condensed milk. Flavor does seem to have a thin finish to it.

Throat Hit: A bit, at 1% or under. The tail end of the exhale is really dry. Gets noticeably harsher at 2%.

Uses & Pairings: I'm primarily thinking this is going to be be better blended into cream bases than solo. I find that thinner mouthfeel on the tail end pretty distracting. I can see adding this to wetter creams like FA Fresh Cream, or FA Vienna Cream to add some buttery, sweet, richness up front and relying on the base cream to carry the finish.

The relative dryness here on the tail end means you can probably use this solo in bakeries to add some richness. Real condensed milk makes it's way into stuff like pumpkin pie fillings and key lime pies, and that seems like a good use of this concentrate. You'll get richness without making your pastry notes soggy. Almost reminds me of FLV Custard in that way, but this is substantially richer, at least up front.

Notes: The concentration on this is tricky. This is definitely noticeable as a full flavor at .25%, but it seems really front-loaded at that percentage and it's pushing towards a watery after you get past the first burst of flavor. .5% is a bit thicker and less top note heavy, but I'm still missing some of that mouthfeel. 1% is drying out a bit, the condensed milk gets a bit more buttery, but i don't find the condensed milk is getting any kind of rancid or cheesy. 1.5% is rich up front and dry on the back end, but the flavor is really solid. 2% is getting a bit dry for me. Good buttery, rich dairy and that caramel is picking up, but the dryness on the backend is creeping into the front of the concentrate and getting a bit harsh. 4% still doesn't taste bad, but it's dry and a bit harsh. I'd use this as an accent for other creams around .5%, and as rich base for pastry fillings at about 1.5%.

Second Opinions:

Here's /u/mysticrosell's review on the VG version. I'm pretty much on the same page about this being thick and rich, at least at first, I tend to get some dryness at the end of this, but I tend to get a lot of dryness in general, and specifically from what I've tasted from the RF SC I've tried. Also, a note that some of the caramelized milk flavor may fade out with a longer steep, which is kind of a bummer.

Good reviews for the VG Version on ELR

And even more positve reviews for the SC version on ELR. Suggested use percentage here is low, consensus between .25-5%. I think there is plenty of flavor there, I'm just not wild about the watery mouthfeel underneath those top notes.

Here's the product page from Real Flavors. Their take: "Condensed milk is sugar-sweetened cow’s milk where about 60% of the water has been removed. The thick, rich result has a sweet, creamy taste all its own that we can’t get enough of. One of our most popular flavors, it’s used in many baked goods, specialty coffees and fudge."

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H/T to /u/dominicaldaze for the suggestion.

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3 points
 
by dominicaldazeover 8 years ago

Thank you for this review! I'm just a novice but I wanted to see how this stacked up with other creams. I have to say so far I really like this in SFT (2%), but haven't mixed with it yet. It might be my palate but I haven't notice any dryness though. In fact I was vaping on it last night and it was almost making my mouth water it was so "wet". Perhaps the steeping (my sample is almost 2 months) had something to do with it?

In terms of pure flavor, how would you compare this vs. others like TFA sweet cream, FA fresh cream, or FLV cream? I am going to use these (solo or combo) as a batido base but I haven't SFTd anything else yet. I'm looking for a thick sugary cream, with no caramel/vanilla/spice notes.

3 points
 
by ConcreteRiverover 8 years agoaka IceT'sHamSandwich

Could be the steeping, could just be my palate being mildly broken. I'm noticing it a lot with the RF SC stuff, so it may my own damage.

There is a whole bunch of creams out there. I think its probably the closest in intent to something like TPA Bavarian Cream, but without the weird maple edge and a more straight ahead caramel. Both are thick, this is a bit richer, but TPA's bavarian cream is a bit fluffy. I have to admit I pretty much only use CAP Vanilla Whipped Cream, FA Fresh Cream, FA Vienna Cream, and FLV Cream by this point (although FLV has pretty much taken over my use of CAP Vanilla Whipped Cream.) I may start working this one into the picture as well though. CAP Vanilla Whipped is buttery and slightly fluffy with a sweeter mellow vanilla, I usually throw it into simple fruit mixes. FA Fresh Cream is a lot wetter and has more of a milk note rather than super rich butter note. I use it to add wetness into mixes, and kind of moisten without necessarily emulsify them. FA Vienna Cream is like my go to for any recipe that needs softening. I've used it in bakeries to soften harder AP notes and also to add some thickness to FA Fresh Cream. FLV Cream is basically magic by this point. Not overwhelmingly dairy but still plenty rich, and it has this crazy ability to just blend and emulsify anything you throw at it.

You'll have to pardon my rampant west coast cultural illiteracy, but from what I can see a batido is basically a milkshake using a condensed milk instead of ice cream, right? I have to mention, just straight off the bat, that I love the one batido recipe that I've had, Batido de Guanabana by /u/deejaymillsnyc/. I'd honestly just consider borrowing that one wholesale, including the TPA Banana Cream if it will work with the profile. If you want to roll your own base, I'd personally focus on FLV Cream. I think this stuff could have a definite role, but I'd keep it lower to stay away from running into that caramel too hard. And then I'd probably fill the base out a bit with another, milkier cream.

My first attempt using those parameters would be something like:

  • 1.5% FLV Cream

  • .75% RF SC Condensed Milk

  • 1% FA Fresh Cream

But that's mostly a wild ass guess.

3 points
 
by dominicaldazeover 8 years ago

To my knowledge, batido literally means "blended drink" so it can be made in many different ways. During my time in Costa Rica, a batido could be made with any variety of fruits/purees and either milk or water, adding sugar to taste. The batido I am looking to re-create is simple mango purée, milk, sugar, and ice. So I'm not looking for any other flavors in there really, just the ideal balance of milk and fruit and sweetness. It sounds like I may have to bite the bullet and get FLV cream, but in the meantime I will experiment with this flavor, cream fresh and sweet cream.

I listened to one of the past ejuice makers Podcasts and think I will also try FA polar blast for coolness, can't remember if you were on that show or not? But it seems like it might be a better fit than Koolada.

Thanks a lot for your thoughts! I know other people have used this flavor a lot so I'm hoping others can chime in on the dryness issue.

3 points
 
by ConcreteRiverover 8 years agoaka IceT'sHamSandwich

If the condensed milk isn't a requirement, then I'd definitely look at FLV Cream. This does have a good deal of caramel to it, but you might be able to work with just the RFSC Condensed Milk and FA Fresh Cream. I wish I could be more help with the Sweet Cream.

And Polar Blast is great, full stop. Strong AF, but great.

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