I wonder if they were using TFA Graham Cracker Clear. That would explain the D/A/AP failure. It's been the only Graham Cracker flavor I've used. Maybe switching to DX Graham or some other brand is what messed them all up. Interesting theory.

Oohrah I'm about 80% sure uses ECX Black Mile Plus for the base. As soon as I tried that one I thought it tasted exactly like it. I've got a clone I'm working on for the Duke, and it uses ECX Hongtashan for the base, and I'm thinking Kick Back uses ECX Captain. So I'm thinking most of their stuff will probably have ECX tobaccos for the base. None of this really helps with the Boba's stuff, but I figured I'd share.

But that description was about what I gathered from all the clone threads I've read, so that's the direction I went when I made a tribute to it. Couldn't really even call it a clone attempt since I've never had it. It ended up with way more flavors in there than I wanted to use, so I don't really make it anymore. I have been meaning to simplify it a bit, but that profile hasn't really tickled my man sized fancy lately.

I vaped a lot of Boba's back in the day. The taste as I remember was raisin/graham cracker backed by vanilla, then tobacco somewhere in the background. No ash. Also, it was VG-based and fairly sweet.

I finally burned out on BB. The taste began to make me think of "raisin wine" so I gave what I had left to a friend at work.

Creating a Boba's clone was a white whale for a lot of its fans, including Kinnikinnick at ELR. Not sure if anyone ever got close.

As far as OORAH goes, I've tried it and it seems quite heavy on the Tobacco flavor compared to Jango - at the least. I dont recall trying Bobas Bounty, however.

eh. If i recall correctly it was flavoring discontinuation.

I never really cared for Boba's. I am now considering ordering a big bottle of Hype or Bees Knees now, though.

edit: my assumptions from the current website and what i know and have heard - flavor 39 is their reblend without the missing core ingredient(s), and simian slam is gorilla juice to flavor 39's boba.

If it helps any, that same buttery graham note was in 5 Pawns Symmetry Six. I've some info on that, although it'd be better discussed in a private setting.

As far as the GCMS, where are you having it performed? I only ask because I use a lab to test all my race fuels and associated "tire enhancers", and I have a pretty good relationship/frequent flyer deal with them. My GCMS cost is usually <$120 as long as we don't need to determine sulphers or metallics, which I'd guess is irrelevant here.

I'll get ahead of the ball and see if they'd be willing to/and or capable of testing this juice. Recently, I had another company run an assay on Symmetry Six for me, but although affordable, the process was a little too hostile to consider them again. I'll consider contributing funds, as well.

Oh, and find that cannibal fella who went nuts cloning Shrub, I see him in the research chem subs from time to time. He's got the smarts and dedication to be an asset, I'd imagine.

That recipe looks pretty good for a dessert style. I really liked the taste of Black Mile Plus, but didn't use it much because it made everything black real quick.

Nice ty for the input I'll have to check it out.

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That is the correct url. I did not know all of that first part haha shady tactics.

This would definitely have to be a ways down the road, but I would be down to put together a community project to raise money to get the most popular Concentrates broken down.

Would need to make sure it was worth while though, are their any other examples of this being done on a concentrate already?

Keep me posted, I am extremely interested in this. For about 2 weeks recently I looked really hard for a clone of it that was actually a good clone of it, all I found was guess work.

Do you prefer Wizard Labs based on past experience or something? Far be it from me to change that, but if you don't already know, they use tiny glass vials and I absolutely hate that. Plus BCF makes all other companies' shipping times look super slow. ymmv, though.

Definitely Graham Cracker/Raisin/Vanilla/Tobacco, according to my memory.

Check out DIY Vapor Supply for non-mainstream things like Seedman Flavors, which was around when BB was made. Seedman Commercial Tobacco was being used in DIY RY4 mixes at that time (it was relatively weak tho, compared to the current tobacco flavorings).

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1. The tobacco strand used for Boba was cut off by its supplier.

2. Boba's flavors is different per user. 10 people could try it and get different varieties, due to the NET which is known for changing flavors per steep time. Chocolate, graham cracker, coconut, and a few other basic flavors made it. Apple cider vinegar has been noted as well. And raisin/plum

3. If a lab is going to do a reverse engineer of the flavors, make sure it'd not going to be a simple breakdown of. Well we found out that it has.. Nicotine.. vegetable glycerin and prop glycol with some unknown food flavors.

Don't want to see a report that's super generic telling us what we already know. Bob's bounty has hundreds of forum posts and threads dedicated to it, NET DIY and non DIY alike. People have been trying to clone it for years.

No worries. I'm currently in a similar situation but I'll gladly throw in some cash if needed sometime soon.