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How does apple cider vinegar work in eliquids?
submitted over 8 years ago by stayinwonderland

I've been looking at Boba's Bounty clones (old school I know). And I've noticed a few have ACV in them. Quite startling. Just wondering if anyone knows why this is? what TYPE of ACV is used (i.e. organic with 'the mother' or pasturized?) I think I once read that someone suggested using vinegar in eliquids because it changes the chemistry of nicotine and makes it stop being an irritant.

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by loIwtfover 8 years agoTobacconist

Well, I'm not an expert on this in practice, but adding acetic acid (vinegar) would change the pH of the liquid to which it is added, and I think that is the logic behind it. So in addition to possibly affecting nicotine absorption, it can change how flavors are perceived as well, just by altering the pH. But there is probably a reason for choosing Apple cider vinegar in particular, which I've seen in tobacco recipes, and I think that is to balance flavorings/ACV may be a better tasting choice than balsamic vinegar or whatever.

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by stayinwonderlandover 8 years ago

oh right, so it's been used in other tobacco recipes? quite interesting. I'd love to know how it affects the vape exactly. And I wonder if it's detectable in the flavor.

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by loIwtfover 8 years agoTobacconist

Yep, it's pretty common as an additive to tobacco recipes. On ELR you will see it listed as "ACV." u/chemicalburnvictim and u/t_mace know about this I believe =)

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by ChemicalBurnVictimover 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

I've only used it once. It seems to be a bit of an older thing from the earlier ages of DIY. I read about it in a forum about cloning Boyd's Bounty, and I added it pretty early on in my attempts, so I don't have much info on how it tastes with or without. I got it to taste how I liked with, and didn't bother to try it without. I haven't really seen it mentioned much except for cloning Boyd's or Boba's Bounty.

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by T_Maceover 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

Ya I've only read about messing with pH. Was looking for some bookmarked articles for op but not finding them sadly. Abdada has/had an article on his site about it but I can't seem to access it now. [Here is a starting point] if anyone's interested. Like I said, haven't messed around with trying to balance ph but I know some swear by it. /u/loIwtf

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by bobbysavageover 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

/u/Icebein do you have any notes from this

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/2c2h5q/can_we_talk_additives/cjbcd2s/

comment 2 years ago :] ?

idk why you got downvoted then

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by Icebeinover 8 years agoTobacconist

Unfortunately no. I ditched the apple cidar vinegar shortly thereafter due to it giving an odd taste after steeping for a week. As for the other additives, the vendor didn't do a good job at labeling them so I had no idea, which concentration the solutions had. I went on and got more into finding the flavors I like and not messing around with additives anymore. Sorry if it's not the answer you were looking for.

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by bobbysavageover 8 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

>I went on and got more into finding the flavors I like and not messing around with additives anymore. Sorry if it's not the answer you were looking for.

Thats basically the conclusion i came to as well. Thank you for the insight.

>Ive kind of thought that if I had to buy and/or add vinegar, smooth, lemon juice, etc.... to a flavor; either myself or the manufacturer were doing something wrong.

^^^https://www.reddit.com/r/CloudCollective/comments/3pqhc5/workgroup_tobacco_reviews/cz3y9h5/

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by Armriover 8 years ago

Also try a small drop or two (per 10ml) of white vinegar in fruit juices, helps squeeze more flavor for high VG mixes.

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by stayinwonderlandover 8 years ago

I have some white wine vinegar, is that the same thing? does it add a tang or something?

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by Armriover 8 years ago

It's not the same thing. -> https://cooking.stackexchange.com/a/23077

I use Distilled White Vinegar with 8% acidity. I kept getting a dull or chemical-like taste at best when using some brands like the French Solubarome, adding a drop or two of white vinegar magically made the flavors come to life. I just add a drop to all my mixes now as it seem to also round/equalize even flavors I never had issues with like those from TPA.

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by stayinwonderlandover 8 years ago

ok cool thanks for the tip!

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