Thanks to the few, the proud, who joined in last week's Flavor of The Week discussion about walnut flavors.
As always, the purpose of this thread is to gather the community to explore a flavor and its many uses. And it's also to have FUN!
Post recipes containing this week's Flavor of the Week, as the star or in a supporting role, with or without development notes. Talk about other people's recipes that use it. Compare and contrast different manufacturers' versions of the FOTW. Ask for help using that flavor in general or to achieve something specific, offer advice, brainstorm ideas, consider substitutions, suggest pairings... really anything at all as long as it's on topic.
This week's flavor is: CINNAMON
Past FOTW posts can be found here
Prepare yourselves, next week's FOTW will be: Oddball Berries (Huckleberry, Boysenberry, Lingonberry, Saskatoon, Acai, Goji)
The week after that will be: Shisha.... INW Shisha everything. How to use them, when to use them, best recipes with shisha flavors.
The week after that will be: Dulce De Leche
The week after that will be: Grape
The week after that will be: Oats/Grains
The week after that will be: Frostings/Icings
The week after that will be: Waffles
The week after that will be: Bubblegum
The week after that will be: Melon
The week after that will be: Florals
The week after that will be: Blue Raspberry
The week after that will be: Soda/Pop/Cola/Coke
The week after that will be: Amaretto
The week after that will be: Slushy (courtesy of /u/Tiptup300: Slushy in general. A thick crushed ice drink. Includes Red Slushy, Blue Slushy as in Blue Raspberry, Coke Slushy, Frappes. Snow Cones.)
The week after that will be: Stones
The week after that will be: Marshmallow
The week after that will be: Jackfruit
The week after that will be: Champagne
The week after that will be: Aromatic Tobaccos
The week after that will be: Non-aromatic Tobaccos
The week after that will be: Tobacco Additives
The week after that will be: Pandoro
The week after that will be: Pumpkin
The week after that will be: Pancakes
The week after that will be: Pie Crust
The week after that will be: Plantain
The week after that will be: Almond
The week after that will be: Apple
The week after that will be: ??? You tell me. Please take this opportunity to suggest one that interests you (or send me a PM to do that).
Did anyone ask for my bullshit short take on a bunch of cinnamon flavors? Of course you did.
I'm kind of love with Flavorah Cinnamons. Differentiated enough to justify carrying 3 different kinds, and all really well done.
FLV Rich Cinnamon is fantastic. It is bakery cinnamon. All hail Rich Cinnamon. It can have a bit of dryer, powdery edge to it and it's a bully, but used real low, it's fantastic whenever you want a cinnamon with some body.
FLV Fire Cinnamon is really interesting. It's just the spicy part of cinnamon. No candy, no powdery spice texture. Like the flavor from a fresh stick of big red gum, minus the actual gum part. Pretty forgiving for a cinnamon and not crazy strong. Good way of imparting a realistic cinnamon spice to a mix without going overboard with the powdery drier rich cinnamon.
FLV Red Cinnamon almost killed me in a good way. Red hots, spot on. Super sweet, spicy, and concentrated. I tried it at 3% for laughs and I literally died. Really clean overall, with a non-artificial tasting candy sweetness.
I've also used FA Cinnamon Ceylon, and my opinion of it dropped considerably after working with the flavorah stuff. Cinnamon Ceylon has a sort of savory edge, almost like a curry. It's not bad really, but I've had no reason to use it after getting the flavorah cinnamons.
In terms of bakery flavors with a heavy cinnamon component, I fucking hate CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl. It tastes sour and metallic to me at any percentage. I would like to put it into a rocket and fire it directly into the fucking sun. I don't know how this is a thing. I've enjoyed it some recipes admittedly, but as soon as I can pick it out in a vape I'm out. All subjective of course, but I don't get it.
FW Cinnamon Roll is a much better bakery cinnamon, with some pretty neutral bready notes that should work damn near anywhere CDS works without being abjectly terrible. I get a clear bakery cinnamon out of it, and it's fantastic.
FLV Cinnamon Roll is a bit of mystery to me. It has a little bit more mellow Rich Cinnamon note to it, and maybe just a slight hint of a dough in there? It's definitely not bad, but doesn't strike me as a full cinnamon roll flavor, and pretty inessential if you already have the Rich Cinnamon.
FLV Cinnamon Crunch has a really solid cinnamon note for a cereal, and overall is really tasty. I've never really figured out what to do with it beyond admiring that it tastes a whole lot like Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
I'm sure I'm missing a couple, but there's a pretty huge range of stuff with cinnamon out there.
For my friend that pretty much vapes straight CAP Cinnamon Danish at 6.5% (there's a couple other things in there, but nothing that stands out above the Cinnamon), I also have to rebuild for him every now and then. I always do a couple test drags to make sure I like how it's all firing, and on fresh coils and cotton the CDS tastes burnt and funky. He doesn't understand why I hate making it for him.
> Did anyone ask for my bullshit short take on a bunch of cinnamon flavors?
Yes. Yes, I pretty much specifically did exactly that. I did everything but say "/u/ConcreteRiver please post your bullshit short take on a bunch of cinnamon flavors here."
Does CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl taste bloody to you? I obviously don't have the same hatred for it that you have, but that sour and metallic note you're so sensitive to tastes to me like someone bled in the cinnamon. Like a horrible accident at the cinnamon factory. It was especially noticeable in the Beginner Blending contest where the first round involved combining CDS and Strawberry Ripe, which when used together seems like it would make pretty solid start to a human blood profile in case there are any vampire vapers interested in that.
Considering that, yes, I could definitely see bloody. I think it's a tad more sour than human blood (long story) but that metallic note is pretty dead on. You've now given me yet another horrific association to hang on CDS. You are truly doing the lord's work.
Right, that's why you really get blood flavor when you mix the right amount with Strawberry Ripe; it gets that sweetness from the Strawberry that pushes back against the sour but lets the metal come right on through; even gets the wet bloody texture that way. I bet it would work even better for a strawberry non-taster like you, if you wanted a blood-flavored ejuice for some reason.
You've hit the nail on the head identifying that "curry" note in FA Cinnamon Ceylon. I can't untaste it now. I have Rich Cinnamon but haven;t switched over to it yet being a bit worried about how concentrated everyone says it is. I get an awful metallic taste with Capella Hot Cinnamon Candy but dont mind "Cinnamon danish Swirl" in recipes at lower %'s. I've vaped a good amount of this Cinnamon Bomb recipe
Rich Cinnamon=FOTD. (Decade, yep)
I've been wanting to ask, are we sure that shit is ok to vape? I only ask because it's so damn good, it must be bad. That, and how it looks like cinnamon oil when I add it to a recipe. Even if it is death by drop, I'm still using it.
It's probably fine. Most of the "cinnamon" sensation comes from cinnamaldehyde (yes that's really what it's called), which is a mild lung irritant, but literally every cinnamon flavor contains it, and usually not much else. If you can stand to be around strong smelling cinnamon flavored candles or foods without it bothering you, vaping it isn't going to bother you either, it's the identical molecule.
I like cinnamon vapes.
I have CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl, FA Cinnamon Ceylon, TFA Cinnamon Sugar Cookie, TFA Cinnamon Red Hot (no PG), FW Cinnamon Roll, and about half a dozen FLV cinnamons.
So far, I’ve used those to create: Mango Tango, Strabismal Snake, ABDC, Pumpkindoodle Cookie, Snickerdoodle Cookie, Cinnamon Roll Apple Danish, Snake Eyes Remix, and Honey Bun
And to mix up and fall in love with Sadlad Toast Crunch, Cinapple Fritter, Apple Buttah, and others.
And I'm currently beating my head against a wall – on version 22 – trying to figure out how to mix this Sopapilla Cheesecake profile. (Help?)
AMA.
Do you get a plastic taste from CAP CDS or TFA CSC at all?
Both those flavors taste like cinnamon plastic to me. Almost like pouring cinnamon over the outside plastic of a new RTA. Really odd.
I get a weird plastic taste from TFA Cinnamon Sugar Cookie. I get no plastic, but a weird metallic aftertaste, almost like the metallic note in human blood, from CAP CDS, especially if I vape too much of it, but in certain recipes I don't get it at all.
Imma have to try that Cinnamon Roll Apple Danish, especially since i have all the flavors for it
I like it, but I also think my Cinnamon Roll Apple Danish is an inferior recipe to Cinapple Fritter (it was created before Cinapple Fritter). So you have the ingredients for that Cinapple Fritter, I would recommend making that one instead, unless you are one of those people who just can't stand the taste of any amount of FA Joy at all. Or maybe even if you are one of the anti-Joy crowd, because it might change your mind about that flavor. But if you don't have all of the Cinapple Fritter ingredients, then go for it, hope you enjoy it!
How would you compared CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl to TFA Cinnamon Danish?
I HATE CAP CDS, I get this weird metallic taste from it if it's used over 1% and it never goes away.
I actually like TFA CDS, it's a softer cinnamon bakery taste and it has more frosting so it can't really be straight subbed for CAPS, but I get no metallic taste to it and the frosting note help sweeten bakeries a bit more.
I haven't tried TFA Cinnamon Danish, only CAP CDS and TFA Cinnamon Sugar Cookie. Should I add that one to my cinnamon collection?
I started with TFA Cinnamon Danish, only recently tried CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl.
It tastes like a more "raw" version of CAP's but it's missing that buttery/margarine CAP taste that's in CAP Sugar Cookie/CAP Vanilla Custard.
I find it works really well as a strong building block, while the CAP yellow taste makes it seem to me like CAP's would be a base of a recipe.
Have you tried any horchata flavors in your sopapilla cheesecake? Could be beneficial in adding a thick mouthfeel, creamy, and cinnaminimalist notes.
I haven't, and I probably need to give that a shot instead of relying on Rich Cinnamon for all the cinnamon and struggling to get the right thick creaminess underneath it. Thanks for the tip!
Very limited experience with cinnamon flavors. I have made a bear claw recipe for a buddy of mine for about 2 years now. It's the only thing he vapes, but I hate it. I use 6.5% CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl, and I'm pretty sure that's about all it tastes like.
I use just a pinch in my Boba's/Boyd's Bounty tribute Dave's Bounty. It's just enough to kind of team up with the Graham Cracker Clear to taste a little like cinnamon Graham crackers. An earlier version used FA Cinnamon Ceylon, and I think it may have been a little better. It gave it a little bit of kick on the back end that I liked, but I made that recipe as a request, and the guy said he'd prefer the cinnamon danish swirl.
I tried another thing recently for my bear claw friend, just because I am trying to get him to try something different. He said it tastes like burnt popcorn. He's either an idiot, or non tobacco flavors are just too far out of my comfort zone.
Would the ever so popular FLV Rich Cinnamon be good in a bear claw recipe? All the ones I saw on ELR use either CAP or TFA Cinnamon Danish, and they must all be ripping off the same clone because they are all at 6.5%.
Hey buddy =) I am also using Ceylon in a mix I'm trying to create. It is an e-juice version of an iced tea made by Teavana, called Iced Passion Tango. There is no actual tea involved; it is a caffeine-free herbal tea blend involving: passion fruit, hibiscus, mango, pineapple, and hints of cinnamon & lemongrass. So far, the closest I've gotten is actually the simplest mix, sans Mango and Pineapple. Ceylon was my first try for the cinnamon element (which is very light in the tea), based on reading this subreddit and it is doing a perfect job. The lemongrass is some very strong shit, and I'm going to need to dilute it to use it here.
How soon after making the bear claw did your buddy try it & give that feedback?
New thing for John tastes like burnt popcorn because of CAP Peanut Butter, I think. But he's probably also an idiot. I can say that because we have ways of recognizing our own kind.
Yes, a bear claw recipe that uses non-cinnamon pastries and gets the cinnamon from FLV Rich would probably be great, better than a CAP CDS bear claw.
The Peanut Butter was a flavor I picked up for some clone recipe, again for someone else, so I never bothered single flavor testing. I'll probably never use it in anything that I'll vape, and when someone is wanting free juice they'll just have to take the burnt popcorn. I also vote for idiot though because all I can taste is that fuckin CDS.
I've used Cinnamon Danish (CAP). It's lovely if a little dry/chalky, so I usually mix with 1.5% Marshmallow (TPA) and 1% Meringue (FA). Goes great with custards and creams.
The only other cinnamon I've used is Cinnamon - Cupcake World.
Overall a nice concentrate with no off flavours. Not a pure cinnamon in my opinion, and tastes very similar to a sweet we have in Scotland called a Lucky Tattie. According to wikipedia Cassia cinnamon is used, so that may be what it aims to replicate. This flavour has an interesting mouthfeel which replicates the dry powdered cinnamon effect, in a pleasant way with very little chalkiness. I've only used in 1 recipe and at 1% which I think is just about perfect for mixes with dominant cinnamon.
Brazilia (version 1) steeped 4 days so far.
Pineapple (INW) 3% Cinnamon (CCW) 1% Mango (TPA) 1%
I was attempting to replicate the cinnamon pineapple I tried in a Brazilian restaurant. I don't think this is the right cinnamon for the job but I'll continue as it's got potential otherwise and has come out nicely.
The cinnamon is too dominant here, I think I'll probably up the pineapple to 4% to try bring it out before reducing the cinnamon. Currently the pineapple is only notable at the very end of the inhale. I'll possibly try upping the mango to 1.5% but I'm only using it to give a little juiciness to the pineapple.
maybe you can try some tfa brown sugar too, since it is caramelized. i was actually thinking of making a similar recipe myself, but waiting to get some rich cinnamon
Take this with a grain of I've never tried CCW Cinnamon before so I can't possibly know how these flavors are interacting, but INW Pineapple is wonderfully juicy and TFA Mango is dry, so I don't think you're helping yourself upping the mango. Try going all the way to 5% with the pineapple and leaving out the TFA Mango or replacing it with something else that's juicy and would complement the pineapple nicely.
Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a shot.
If I'm honest I may be mistaken with the juiciness and actually it just helps it out a little (sweetness or body maybe?). I haven't worked with pineapple much or in ages and I found before a little mango just rounded it out a little. I may be misremembering as I rarely kept notes back then and I'm sure I used a higher %. Probably doesn't help that I'm a DIY heathen who rarely tries single flavours unless a sniff and little dot on the finger doesn't give me an indication.
Perfect timing for this thread. So I want to mix this up: https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/23772 (Sadlad Toast Crunch) but have just read about CDS tasting funky. I have FLV Rich Cinnamon, could I do a straight sub of CDS with rich cinnamon (at a lower percentage ofc)?
I mixed up Sadlad as is and didn't get any funk. It's an example of a masterful use of a sometimes troublesome concentrate, I think. You probably won't find a better use for CDS, and other people who don't much care for CDS have said the same thing. But if you don't already have it and don't want to get it, maybe try Mr Burgundy's "Toasted" recipe.
Thanks for the response, I think I'll whip up two batches as well as toasted to see what the differences are.
I'd say that FLV's Apple Filling is a notable mention here. For anyone looking for a recipe that calls for apple and cinnamon, this flavor to me is like a balanced blend of their Red Apple (which provides a soft, round, apple tone to the mix) and Rich Cinnamon and makes building from there really easy.
Check it out /u/Skiddlzninja, no terrible pun title this week. Instead, I decided to go cinnaminimalist with it.
That reminds me of a strange word grouping I discovered: aluminuminimaluminousanimal.
A small metal animal shaped light! Say it ten times real fast to sound like a rapper.
Maybe the wrong place but does anyone retail a premade cinnamon flavored vape juice?
This is the wrong place to ask. If you want to make your own this is the place to ask about that. For example: what is your favorite cinnamon recipe?
You never ask a baker if they know someone that makes a certain bread that they don't? I'm not an imbecile. Thanks for the condescension.
I'm sure there's plenty of cinnamon vapes. I doubt there's one that's just cinnamon if that's what you're looking for. My favorite is CTC by blue dot vapors. I haven't bought vendor juice since May 2016 so I can't help with newer stuff that's come out