Setup: Recoil w/ flavor barrel, Dual 15 wrap 26g 3mm Nifethal 70 coils @.18 ohms. 60w power, 450F temp limit. Full Cotton Wicks.
Testing: FLV Waffle @ 1% and 1 drop per 10ml, 60/40 VG/PG, Steeped 7 days.
Flavor Description: This one is... interesting. If anyone has insight here, for the love of god, share it with the rest of the class. Used super low, it almost tastes like a sweet whole grain bread, with some doughy notes. Anything over .15% and I'm getting some serious earthy, almost astringent (like FLV Rhubarb) notes. I'm having a lot of trouble seeing this as a waffle flavor. I think this may have niche use in boosting aromatic tobaccos, but it's going to be a pretty small niche.
Inhale has a vegetal, slightly astringent sweetness. Decent body, but pretty odd. Exhale has some doughy notes up front. Could theoretically be a waffle batter, but I'm missing any of the crispier, sweeter texture of a waffle. Top notes start off with an almost sour, slighty yeasty, tang and pick up a bitter vegetal astringency. Like raw rhubarb actually. Moderately full with some sweetness here, but nothing that really reads as anything that should be near a waffle. That vegetal note ends up lingering quite a bit, turning almost acrid like the top notes from an overcooked waffle. I'm a bit stumped.
Off-flavors: I can't really see this tasting much like a waffle, but maybe it's just going to take a better mixer than me to figure it out.
Throat Hit: Used low, no real throat hit.
Uses & Pairings: I may just be lacking in imagination or technical skill here, but this seems like no part of an actual waffle. There's some doughyness, but even down low there's a pretty serious vegetal quality to this.
I can see this being used as a tobacco additive, but again pretty low. It would take a non-aromatic tobacco and add some bready and green leafy notes.
There may be some use here in making your bready desert base pick up some whole grain nuance or maybe a light griddled note, but I don't know if thats a thing that people are into.
Notes: Concentration testing, this is super concentrated and super finicky. After my initial tests, I went back and made a 10% dilution. At .1% (less than 1 drop per 30ml), I get a sweet whole grain bread in the top notes. No really body down this low, but the top notes have a pretty aggresive presence. .15% is starting to taste like that grain has sprouted a bit, I'm getting some odd crisp green notes, especially towards the end of the exhale. .2% is pushing earthy pretty hard. That green note is a little astringent. At .25% that green note is dominating the back of the exhale and colonizing the inhale. Just for laughs, trying my sample at 1%, it's really astringent and funky. The bread is pretty lost underneath that vegetal note. I'd maybe use this at .1% to whole grain up a bread base, and maybe .2% for a tobacco additive.
Second Opinions:
One review on BCF, user "Brad" gives it 4 stars and says: "Not a stand alone imo. Kinda "raw doughy" taste and feel. Better when I added some berry flavors. No syrup flavor I could notice. Like a under cooked fresh waffle, batter kind of flavor. Still good for the collection." So I'm defintely not agreeing here.
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Yeah this one had me scratching my head a bit from what I could remember. I still have a tester of it lying around, lemme grab it and see what I can pick up on.
Thank you, I appreciate it. I sort of assume I'm missing something when a concentrate seems this odd.
Sorry for the delayed reply! That FLV waffle was an elusive prey. So vapingnonbit now after about a 2.5 month steep (2% waffle) it seems like it's more flavorful than the first time i tried it. I get mainly a yeasty ready note along the lines of waffle batter with a little bit of that caramelized bread note kind o towards the top, the flavor is pretty mellow but I could see this being a really nice bread accent for a bakery at like 1% or something. My guess is it's a steeper.
Edit: the color on it is super dark; could also compliment a tobacco nicely
Thanks for following up man. Good to know this may have some use. The yeasty thing throws me a bit, just because it's not something I really associate with waffles. I wanted something a lot more crisp and sweet, and doesn't seem to really do either. I think maybe I was just too eager to get a review out and that caramelized note is where I'm getting that vegetal taste thing. I got cocky, thinking that Flavorah stuff was generally a quick steep.
/u/HashSlingingSlashur, here's your review. I have a feeling it may not be the waffle you're looking for.
Not the waffle we deserve, but the waffle we need right now...
Seriously though, my only thought is to try it at the recommended %? And or maybe 2 week to 1 month steep?
I've had a mix steeping for 3 weeks with FLV Waffle at .5%, and that weird vegetal note is coming through loud and clear. Seemed like a no brainer, mixing it with FLV Blueberry Muffin at 3%. RIP that mix.
This sounds about right. The couple of notes I've seen about this are similar to what you've stated. I figured it wouldn't hurt to wait to hear what you have to say before buying it. I still kind of want to mess with it but at 8.50 a bottle I don't think I'll be doing it anytime soon.
Thanks for the review, for now I think FW Waffle will remain my go to for this flavor profile.
You gave it much better notes than I could have lol. While I don't taste exactly what you are describing, it left me with the same impression. It's not good. To me it tastes like straight up play-doh. I always wondered what people were talking about when they said Cap's glazed doughnut was play-dohy, since to me that stuff tastes like 100% glaze, but I'm assuming this is it. They could have at least made it maple flavored play-doh, but there's not even any maple to speak of.
For the record I mixed this at 3%, max vg. I tried it after 2 weeks, then probably every other week for about 2 months. It never got any better and I couldn't stand more than a few puffs before I had to switch flavors. Definitely one of the worst flavors I've ever had.
What is the color of yours? The MSDS says it's supposed to be amber/yellow. Mine is almost black!
Did you enjoy this flavor at all?
Well the first time I used it at 1% and good God! This stuff is extremely potent.... Then I used it at 0.15% with cupcake Batter and a little AP to try and create a good waffle flavor and it was mehh. I can't say I enjoy it, though I still need to play with it a little more.