Firstly if this should be in the "new mixers questions" I will move it immediately. But I was thinking it could be an interesting topic. I am developing a a simple recipe that has FW rainbow line gum as the star. The recipe looks like this.
- FW Rainbow Line Gum 5%
- CAP Marshmallow 1.5%
- CAP Sweet Tangerine 1%
- INW Pineapple 1.5%
- TFA Orange Cream 1%
I have single flavored tested all of them standalone. The only one I've found that has a slight earthy note is TFA Orange Cream. I tested it at 5% and it was in my opinion the earthy not was miniscule at the most. And I also never really tasted any cream in it either so I don't think that's why it's ruining the recipe. Maybe it's clashing with the pineapple?
Have you guys ever come across this problem? Were seemingly no flavor you're using has a specific trait but the end result changes it to that trait?
I believe "flavor bending" is the term commonly used to describe what's happening in your recipe. It does happen. Sometimes people do flavor bending on purpose, other times it's an unwanted side effect in a mix which has to be fixed.
I made a recipe with INW Garuda and some creams and it ended up tasting like green tea ice cream. Was going for a tobacco flavor lol.
You could either take out everything that you think could be causing it and add them back in one by one in subsequent versions, or remove the thing you most suspect to save some time.
I think I'll start with removing orange cream, and working my way down if that's needed. Sometimes it's frustrating as frak when you don't get why something turned out so bad.
That's one of the great things about mixing though. When you desperately want to nail a profile, and you mess up the first time, but you try again until you nail it. So satisfying!
I'd like to see some recipes, or just flavor pairings that sound great but are actually yucky. That could be useful info, lol.
Edit: I went ahead and tried a few searches. I came up with one good thread already so I'm going to link it here, and here are some comments from a couple of novice mixers that might be relevant:
u/Vurve:
>Here's a pretty good rule of thumb:
>* Fruits are muted by heavy creams and sweeteners
- Creams are muted by heavy or excess bakeries
- Bakeries can be muted or covered up by spices
- NOTHING mutes menthol
u/ID10-T:
>I thought FA Joy + CAP Vanilla Custard (plus some other stuff, of course, but I was able to isolate the problem to these two) would be an obvious choice for making donut juice. LOL Nope. It acts like Joy has actual yeast in it that gets into that yummy CAP VCV1 and multiplies there. Mmmmm tasty vanilla yeast infection juice.
u/Smeggywulff:
>>Would it be too vulgar to call it the "Runny Cunt" instead?
Did you steep? I have found that INW Pineapple has some strange interactions with citrus flavors and can result in some off notes prior to a steep. For example: Detox was strongly reminiscent of a burning pile of tires for the first few days. After a steep though, it did a complete 180 and the nasty notes were gone.
No steep yet, I have always had the mindset that if it's not good shake n' vape it won't become significantly better. But I will try it again in a few days.
Off topic here but I actually got FA Bano in today, I bought it after seeing a couple of banana recipes. Detox being one of them.
I once thought that way, but I can't anymore due to too many counter-examples in recipes and encounters with concentrates that benefit from a good steep generally. A well-formed recipe (IMHO) should show at least some promise as a S&V, but may indeed still have off notes or weak spots that improve after some time in a cool, dark place.
Nice. My favorite use of it is to layer with LA Banana Cream.
I'm just starting out so take this with a grain of salt, but I always start simple. For a strawberry cream try each separate and the first recipe should be part one strawberry flavor, part one cream flavor. From there, build up one flavor at a time. If you do the process this way you can isolate what additive causes the undesired blending and swap out a substitute or try to isolate what other flavor in the mix is clashing with that one.
It sounds like you had several flavors you like separately and started with 4+ flavors. That's an assured way to get undesired blending in my experience. Sure you sometimes find some happy accidents, but when you're targeting a certain flavor starting that way makes it very hard to develop.
Again, I'm extremely new and this is just my experience so take this with a grain of salt.
I have no ego in this, so I won't be needing the salt :)
But that's some valid points you have. I agree that in some cases you can do to seperate development in your recipes. But thats really time consuming and honestly after a while you kinda know what works with what. But in this kinda recipe I was going for you really can't part develop like you can a strawberrys and cream or something like that. But I get what you're saying tho.
Thanks for the comment!
Why would anyone want their Vape juice to taste like dirt?