I think one of the biggest problems with the site right now is that a lot of people seem to not review the recipes that they mix. I personally try to review most, if not all recipes that I've personally tried after steeping them the recommended amount on the recipe page. I usually mix whatever I can find from the "What Can I Make?" page as I need to refill my empty bottles, and I feel like there are so many great recipes in there that don't have any reviews at all.
And be honest! If you don't like the recipe you can at least describe whether you thought the recipe is lacking something, or the taste profile just isn't to your liking. I'm sure any feed back will be very valuable to the creator of the recipe.
The pay wall prevents non paying members from reviewing. Exclusivity has its costs.
The free reviews on ELR aren't any better, though. 90% of the recipes with 1 5-star rating are only rated by the recipe creator.
"Hey, can i sub [clearly necessary ingredient] with [other brand or flavor that doesn't taste even slightly similar]?"
You can leave facebook reviews now, reviews have two tabs.
I don't do Facebook. I hate Facebook. Facebook has become the number 1 driver of mental illness in our society. I'm sure a good number of people share my sentiment.
They need to take that dumb copyright message off the recipes. Pretty much every recipie is using copyrighted images stolen from google.
Agreed. I know that I have been lacking when it comes to reviews and I think we all should help each other out. I actually prefer a review of someone letting me know what they like and/or dislike rather than, "10/10 good stuff!" or a 5 star rating with no comment.
I will do my best to leave reviews more often.
i would like to leave some comments or write reviews, but i'm not sure how to behave in some specific situations:
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- lot/some of users rated some recipe high enough. i tried it but i just don't like it. i understand that recipe is good, but not my flavour profile (e.g. almost all high rated (...)-milk recipes from ELR)
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- tried, but don't like recipe (especially when some people already commented how amazing is it). i really don't know what's wrong with recipe, but it tastes awful for me.
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- i'm too sensitive to specific flavour or it's too strong for me (e.g. some cinnamon based recipes, graham cracker, etc.) and recipe in current state is not vapeable for me
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- recipe smells great, but tastes differently from how it tastes (worse)
- (some from above plus) recipe maker is known by some DIYers. in this situation i start thinking that something wrong with me or i doing something wrong.
should i really write something in these cases? how many stars should i give to recipe? do it really worth to be so straightforward if people are different and like different things
p.s. i always wait for recommended steeping, use the same PG/VG ratio (and adjust PG/VG with the next batch).
> 1) lot/some of users rated some recipe high enough. i tried it but i just don't like it. i understand that recipe is good, but not my flavour profile (e.g. almost all high rated (...)-milk recipes from ELR)
Oh yeah, one more ;) All the recipe sites are basically useless to me, because of the Diacetyl circlejerk going on. Up to a short while ago I thought I am one of a very few who have an intolerance for that stuff.
But I find more and more people who have the same. Most don't even know what it is and just think the juices somehow taste bad for them and don't know why...
> 2) tried, but don't like recipe (especially when some people already commented how amazing is it). i really don't know what's wrong with recipe, but it tastes awful for me.
It's the diacetyl. It gives a strong nauseating rancid burnt buttergrease taste. Extremely strong. After 2 puffs you get sick and after 5 throwing up...right?
no. it's not diacetyl in my case. all of recipes i don't like are diacetyl free. just checked it. at least ELR don't mention about that. some of recipes i really like may contain Acetyl Propionyl or Acetoin. some of them have no warnings.
Does anyone use ATF and e-liquid-recipes.com and could compare them a bit?
... I've been loving ELR and now I'm looking at ATF and wondering why I'd want to use it at all.
I originally used eJuice Me Up, then migrated to ELR. I checked out ATF, but they want you to pay for stuff. I am not going to pay for something that I get with a site like ELR. You can't even adjust a recipe, so I just take them and move it over to ELR and save it there. Plus everyone on the front page had "strap-on" in the name, perfect for my monitored work computer. Some vulgar pictures too. Like just show a representation of the juice and stop with the bullshit. Other than that, it is OK I guess. There is just not a ton of content like I am used to.
> You can't even adjust a recipe
Not true, you can.
I started with Ejuice me up myself and then ELR and then ATF, and I'm using ATF now. I don't mind paying $2 a month for a membership and they do have a phone app which is great as I use my phone a lot when I mix. Less bullshit recipes and it's simply better to use because the "DIY or DIE" community uses ATF as the main site.
I honestly don't see why I wouldn't be using it and $2 a month doesn't hurt my wallet.
Actually the paying fee is a good thing actually so there's less bullshit. ELR looks like a trash can
> Not true, you can. I figured it out. I had to create an account, I thought I had one and was logged in, lol.
I do mind paying 2 dollars a month. I don't mix all that often and when I do, I make 120s so I am quite set. And when I do mix, I do it at my desk (by my monitor). And if it's an ELR recipe, I push it to my phone so I can quick reference Chrome when pulling the concentrates out. So that is fine if you want to do it that way, there is no wrong way. I am already a part of the Mixer's Collective on Facebook and barely use it. I was more active in it when I first got into mixing, but I do come up with a good question every now and then and they always pitch in. But you neglected to mention on the strap-on dildo pictures which is kind of funny. ELR is clean and simple, I like it like that. Yeah the lack of reviews can be a pain, but from what I've seen ATF is not all that much better.
i tried them both
ATF:
- faster compared to ELR
- easier to add flavours to stash
- ability to search for recipes where you miss one or two flavours.
- easy to see do you have all ingredients or not.
But i prefer to store my recipes at ELR.
- ATF require paid subsription to store more than 2 recipes
- when i tried to mix one recipe at ATF layout wasn't good enough and more confused compared to ELR.
what i don't like in ELR:
- hard to understand do i have some flavour in recipe or not
- lot of public duplicates
I use them both. ELR for keeping recipes and mixing. ATF for easy search in flavour stash. just to check do i have some flavour or not.
After getting a new banch of flavours i search for "What can i make?" on both of them. They have different recipes.
I think the answer to your ELR con is that you need to put the prices in for the concentrates you have. Then when a recipe has an ingredient you haven't entered a price for, it will display a little question mark next to the price of the batch. Clicking that will highlight your missing ingredient(s) like this.
thank you so much. really appreciate this information.
ELR should make their interface more user friendly. it wasn't clear from the start. will be good to have ability to see missing flavours without clicking anything.
i think i'm not only one who don't want to have headache with filling in any price and amounts of flavours. i just want to tick something and have some flavour in stash. in case if some flavour is gone or almost gone it's possible just reorder it.
ATF is a bit cleaner due to the paywall. People aren't going on ATF and making their 35% FA fuji recipes public, clouding the average usage numbers(this is a huge problem with using ELR's average % for flavorings; a lot of people on ELR don't know what they're doing.) Whereas, with ATF, and specifically the subscription system ATF has, it only appeals to the people who know what they're doing when creating recipes and know what they want and need out of a recipe database.
The "notebook" aspect of ATF is a really great feature that not enough people use. Whenever you click "mix" on a recipe, it creates a batch page, saving the date that you mixed and the percentages. There is also a notes box that you can take notes on the specific batch, keeping everything organized and documented when you're tweaking a recipe.
A lot of people complain about having to be a subscriber to leave reviews, but much like my first point, this keeps the numbers from getting fucked with. With ELR, you can make 25 accounts, and make all of them give your recipes 5 stars. With ATF, that would cost you $50. It keeps reviews as honest representations of the recipe.
I've been using ATF since it started closed beta, so if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
I think I get the gist thanks to you and the other comments. ELR is definitely a bit polluted. I can see how $2 would be worth it. Especially if you don't get a dozen duplicate and misspelled flavours when you're adding one to your stash. 530 people have "Bavarain Cream" in their stash.
ELR has a major problem with a lack of reviews so this is nothing new or uncommon .
ATF hasn't been around nearly as long so it's not surprising the lack of reviews.
I agree though , if a recipe has a lot of multi star reviews people will take the time to make it themselves , a lack of reviews hurts every product not just recipes.
Anyone got a link? I have no idea what ATF stands for unless we're talking about "Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms".
I use ATF and I think you need a "premium" account to be able to review a recipe, so that's why they are lacking of that. I switched from ELR to ATF simply because it has less bullshit recipes, looks cleaner and the "DIY or DIE" community uses it as the "main" site.
I also love that they have a phone app as I use that a lot when I mix, and I don't find $2 a month for a premium account to hurt my wallet. Heck, it's actually a good thing to keep out the bullshit. Most trolls wouldn't want to register something like that even if it was $2 a year. ELR honestly looks like a trash can. But whatever works for people.
The android app for ATF is pretty shit though. I think Queuetue said at some point that he will rewrite the app from scratch sometime, but recommends that people use the site directly from a browser on mobile in the mean time.
There might be a way of importing your recipes to some other native app on the phone but I personally always mix in front of my computer so I never use my phone for looking at recipes, so I'm not a 100% sure on that.
The Android app works well enough for me; I do have to wait a few seconds after launch for it to call home and verify my subscription.
I mix exclusively using the ATF android app; there is no computer/tablet/device near my mixing station. I have some dev requests for the app, but as a mobile recipe and mixing solution, it's the best I've found. The biggest issue I have is that when I find a recipe I like, I have to clone it so it shows on the app -- the original receives zero mixes from me.
And, of course, I forget to log back in and review... Every. Time.
The phone app for some reason always logs me out or it doesn't recognize that I'm a paying customer. It's not a big deal as I can just log in again with a simple click and now I have the "sync" feature again. You have to sync to import your recipes,batches, flavor stash etc. I guess that could be a con. Yeah, the app needs some work but for just mixing, it works well enough for me. I save my recipes/batches from PC and my "mixing room" doesn't have a PC there so I just use my phone. I still rather use the ATF phone app than the web browser for ATF or ELR for mixing at least
I have a few recipes on ATF that have 500 plus views and no reviews. Now maybe no one has mixed them or they have and just didn't feel that the recipe was good enough to bother. Would be nice to know either way. What would be a great feature is to get a count of how many times a recipe has been mixed. If the site could log each time a batch was created from a recipe and then send a reminder to the user to post a review it would be even better.