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PSA Flavorah have finally got their Diketone test results from the lab
submitted over 8 years ago by firefoxwhyyounoworkOne of "The Damned"

If like me you try to avoid Diketones in your juice ~~(do not want to start the old tired discussion again, I get it some of you love them :) your choice)~~ the results are back !!

For months I have been checking their site for an update and it is finally here.

I can not wait to try their mango after u/ID10-T huge endorsement

http://www.flavorah.com/safety/

Edit: It also mentions their recommended % to use the concentrates at, definitely worth a look. Edit2: thank you for being gentle when taking my golden cherry x

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by wh1skeyk1ngover 8 years agoThanks for reading this flair

>This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.

Is there anything that doesn't cause cancer in California?

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by firefoxwhyyounoworkover 8 years agoOne of "The Damned"

haha.

Do they also label buildings with granite with the same warning due to trace presence of uranium in granite?

I think when you get to the point where everything carries a warning it becomes pointless. Ass covering gone mad

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by joshj5hawkover 8 years ago

Actually on pretty sure they do lol

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by PerennialPhilosopherover 8 years ago

Yes. At least I've seen buildings with this label. Not sure if it was from granite...

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by NevaLieover 8 years ago

they have it at so many restaurants there lol...like "this food you are about to eat will probably give you cancer. enjoy"..may as well say that. maybe its just a way to keep all the super doosh bags out

6 points
 
by Creepermossover 8 years ago

My lawnmower has a sticker on it, letting me know not to stick my head under the deck. The gas can I keep near it, says I shouldn't drink the contents. People always spoiling my fun, I swear.

3 points
 
by skivianover 8 years ago

I got shot glasses with that warning once. I guess I'm not supposed to eat the painted designs.

1 points
 
by flavorahover 8 years ago

Yes, I have seen this before.

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by Enyawreklawover 8 years agoCreator - Best Recipe of 2015: Rhodonite

Donations

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by paingawdover 8 years ago

Can confirm: California is cancer

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by d4rch0nover 8 years ago

The warm California sun! Oh wait

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by D-Juiceover 8 years ago

Brilliant. Kudos to Flavorah for putting the information out there and thanks for posting this.

We all make risk-reward trade offs every day so for those who are happy to take some risk but still want to know roughly how big the risk is, this post summarises what is known and what the numbers (probably) look like.

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by dominicaldazeover 8 years ago

I'm a little (a lot) confused by the excellent post you linked. How much diketones are present in, say, a ml of cap vc flavored juice at for example 5%? I guess I'm just wondering what the hard numbers are in vaping to compare to all those statistics for smokers. Are they below or above the threshold set by the govt?

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by D-Juiceover 8 years ago

I haven't seen Capella release any diketone numbers. Might have missed them of course. They released some diketone-free v2s including VC v2 so we can assume that the v1s do have diketone in them but without any data it's hard to quantify.

This is why publishing evidence on diketone content is so important. Without it no one can make an informed decision about the risk-reward trade off because the risk can't be quantified.

If you did have the numbers, then you need to multiply the ppm by the number of mls per day that you vape to get your daily exposure. Or decide on your personal diketone limit and divide that by the ppm to get your max daily mls of that juice.

The Flavorah numbers seem to be for the concentrates so remember to adjust for dilution. So, if it's mixed at 5% you'd divide the ppm in the concentrate by 20 to get sensible numbers for ppm in the juice.

The occupational exposure limit equates to roughly 50ug per day. So if your juice tests at 10ppm and you vape 5mls, you're at the limit. Smokers are exposed to roughly 140 times that limit for a pack a day. The occupational limit is set at an estimated risk of 1 in 1000 workers being seriously harmed over a 45 year working lifetime.

Hope that makes sense.

3 points
 
by flavorahover 8 years ago

Yes /u/D-juice , the test results are are for the straight up concentrate (100% use rate). The recommended use rate is just the percentage we suggest mixing the flavor at to get a good flavoring result.

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by dominicaldazeover 8 years ago

Thank you again, that really clears things up (at least as far as it can without supplier numbers available.) Interesting that CAP hasn't released any numbers yet their VC is far and away the most popular one on the market....

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by Tiptup300over 8 years ago

> Smokers are exposed to roughly 140 times that limit for a pack a day.

~~Citation and actual figures needed.~~

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by mentionhelperover 8 years ago

It looks like you're trying to mention another user, which only works if it's done in the comments like this (otherwise they don't receive a notification):

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by ID10-Tover 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Thanks, bot! Now I have a list of which FLVs to try first! (All the ones with those delicious diketones)

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by BlueDotVaporsover 8 years agoWearing Yoga Pants

That butterscotch and vanilla custard.

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by D-Juiceover 8 years ago

Those are for the concentrates so not that bad. I'm assuming they didn't dilute them for testing of course.

1 points
 
by HashSlingingSlashurover 8 years ago

Do you know any good vanilla custard without DA/AP? Aside from CAP v2?

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by ID10-Tover 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Can confirm on the Vanilla Custard. It tastes a bit more like vanilla pudding than custard to me but doesn't mean it's not yummy AF. Now I'm eager to try the Butterscotch.

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by firefoxwhyyounoworkover 8 years agoOne of "The Damned"

haha I am glad I can help

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by ID10-Tover 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

Thank you, too, firefoxwhyyounowork!

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by ceedee99ukover 8 years ago

Some 'interesting' recommended usage levels, eg. Chocolate Deutsch and Coconut.

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by jarejayover 8 years ago

Good, my recipe that uses their rich cinnamon is still diketone free.

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by T_Maceover 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

Thanks for the info!

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by cooperCollinsover 8 years ago

This list is great. Now I know which dike-heavy concentrates to put in my next order!

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by SumOldCantover 8 years ago

Also worthy of noting is the KG/Liter column.

This is the same as grams/ml, which is the specific gravity. Handy

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