Setup: Griffin RTA 22mm; Fused Clapton .2Ω; cotton wicks; 90W; 3mg/ml Nicotine
Testing: FLV Biscotti @.5% aged:0 Days Mixed at: 70/30 vg/pg
Base Price Point: 5.49/15ml
Flavorah Description:
> Very creamy, dry and sweet. Touch of caramel and cinnamon. Could be a holiday cookie because it makes you feel really cozy and relaxed.
Disclaimer: I've never eaten a Biscotti before so I am going into this with no idea if this is accurate to the flavor or not I'm just going based on the following google description: > > Biscotti, known also as cantuccini, are Italian almond biscuits that originated in the city of Prato. They are twice-baked, oblong-shaped, dry, crunchy and dipped in a drink, traditionally Vin Santo.
Flavor description: This tastes pretty faithful to how a biscotti is described. You get a incredibly dry tasting biscuit with some almond notes in the exhale. This flavor is also pretty complex. The dryness isn't one dimensional and incredibly accurate to a very dry cookie/biscuit flavor. Other cookie/biscuit flavors have a single flavor cookie/biscuit they appease to. This you can practically taste the the "twice baked" flavor. It, initially, has a baked flavor on the inhale and on the exhale you can taste a slight burnt biscuit flavor. This doesn't seem to have any bitter notes you would expect it might have. This has, to me, the most accurate representation of a almond flavor that I've tried yet. Not a raw almond flavor but a baked almond flavor.
First Impressions: This stuff is strong as hell. Using this over 1% is a guaranteed bottle down the drain. At least in my experience, it will over take any other flavors you mixed with it. The background flavors changed based on how much you use. .25%-.75% this flavor has pretty different characteristics. On the lower end of things you get a very mellow version of a biscotti with almost no almond notes. .75% you get the full package. The higher you go the drier it gets. This flavor doesn't seem to get really wonky the higher you use it just the same flavor you normally get but really gets very unvapeable. 1.5% this stuff is damn intense to vape. All of the flavors hit you all at once with a vengeance. There are recipes on ATF that have this at 3% and I personally think that is way too high considering how bad this overtakes an entire mix easily.
Throat hit: Nothing of note/ surprisingly incredibly smooth
Off-flavors: I'm having a hard time describing what flavor I'm getting. Flavorah says this has caramel and cinnamon but I'm not getting any cinnamon and a slight burnt caramel flavor from this. Tastes almost boozy. Inline with a rum or bourbon. It's not off putting by any means but worth mentioning.
This flavor will linger on your wicks for what seems like hours. I have a habit of changing flavors throughout the day and I can always taste this in the background after I quit vaping it hours earlier.
Uses: If you wish to have a drier flavor with some nutty,baked complexities in the background this will be a good go to. I recommend this flavor from .25%-.75%. I've used it up to 1.5% and it's all you can taste in the mix. No matter what I threw at it. I didn't notice the flavor calms down very much after a steep either. At least doesn't let anything else through if you use this too high.
Second Opinions:
> I've been working with Biscotti (FLV) and I'm pretty impressed with it so far. My 1st mix with it was at 1.5% and it was STRONG. My recent mixes I've lowered to .7% and I'm getting a much better cookie flavor from it. It reminds me of those flower shaped butter cookies with hole in the center. It imparts a buttery, vanilla and a slight lemon note. It definitely delivers a crunch type effect also. My test are still early, but this flavor shows potential. My feeling is that this flavor can affect a mix below .7%.
> At first mix it was strong but after a few days it mellowed into a delicious vape. Hints of almond.
EDIT:
10 Day Steep Update: This flavor is relatively the same across the board. There is about a 10-15% drop in the intensity in regards how potent this was first mixed. But the flavor overall hasn't changed much beyond calming down just a tad bit.
/u/concreteriver
Please add anything that I missed or got wrong. This was a hard flavor for me to break down as there was a lot going on with it.
I had a slightly different take. I didn't really pick up much almond here, and that slightly burnt, crispy flavor tastes like an attempt at coffee to me.
Setup: Recoil w/ flavor barrel, Dual 15 wrap 26g 3mm Nifethal 70 coils @.16 ohms. 60w power, 450F temp limit. Full Cotton Wicks.
Testing: FLV Biscotti @ 1% and 1 drop per 10 ml (about .25%). 60/40 VG/PG, Steeped 13 days.
Flavor Description: Dry biscotti with a heavy caramel sweetness and a strong, darkly roasted coffee. This feels like a rebalanced version of FA Tiramasu to me. Where tiramasu has a ladyfinger pastry note as an accent, this puts a dryer, grainier biscotti right at the center of the vape with the espresso working throughout the entire vape. Sweeter and more buttery cream note. Seems quite a bit more substantial and firm than FA Tiramasu in that regard.
Inhale is fairly dense and dry. I get caramel and coffee. Not quite the buttery, burnt kind of coffee that's kind of the defacto standard, but it's close. I think the caramel kind of sweetens up the back end of the coffee and keeps that burnt note from really dominating, at least on the inhale. Quite a bit of dry sweetness, noticeable even down at .25%. Exhale has that dry, grainy biscotti right up front. Even a bit of "snap" to it. Lots going on here, I get anise and dark espresso top notes. Strong and well-definied coffee, anise is more of an accent. Heavy, buttery whip cream underneath it all. Heavily sweet and dense. Pretty dry overall. Lingering standard coffee bitterness and buttery burnt notes.
Off Flavors: I don't know if it really is coffee, or just the anise and caramel playing off each other... but it tastes a whole lot like an espresso flavor. It's not as assertive as FA Dark Bean or even FA Tiramasu, but this concentrate definitely seems to bring it's own coffee along to the vape.
Throat Hit: Moderate, mostly from the dryness and the bitterness on that coffee note.
Uses & Pairings: Pretty darn close to a single flavor at .75%. Very complex flavor with a lot going on, so it's going to be hard to use this an accent anywhere. Personally, I feel like this needs a bit more dairy to soften and mellow it out a bit. Both FA Fresh Cream and FLV Cream would work to moisten this up a bit and make this a more easy going vape. I could also see this working well with chocolates and darker berries to accent the coffee and caramel here.
Notes: Strong and a bit finicky. At .25% the cookie is lacking just a bit of body. Still really sweet, but more of a dry whipped cream and coffee flavor. .5 gives more body to the cookie, but that coffee note and caramel sweetness is building really quickly. .75% seems to be my sweet spot. Coffee doesn't quite taste burnt, heavy body on the cookie, and the sweetness isn't too overbearing. 1% is actually a bit too dry for me, and that coffee is starting to taste burnt. I'd recommend starting with this at .75% without any kind of cream to soften this, or 1% if you plan on softening it up.
Thanks for the notes.
We all wish we had the palate that you did for these write ups.
It's an interesting concentrate for sure... I'm just not sure it's something I'm really ever going to use.
I think my review is a bit biased because I definitely associate biscotti with espresso. It could easily be a combination of almond, anise, caramel, and the toasted notes here are just hitting all my coffee senses.
I really like having multiple opinions of concentrates out there, and I feel like my walls of texts scare people away from posting their own notes just because they start assuming it has to be a big time commitment to be a valid opinion. The more the merrier, truly.
I also get a crispy coffee-esqe flavor from this one. 0.5% in a mix and it is very very noticeable. Did you come across any differences between S&V and a 13 day steep?
> Off-flavors: I'm having a hard time describing what flavor I'm getting. Flavorah says this has caramel and cinnamon but I'm not getting any cinnamon and a slight burnt caramel flavor from this. Tastes almost boozy. Inline with a rum or bourbon. It's not off putting by any means but worth mentioning.
There is some extremely weird off flavor that I cannot describe. It's almost like burnt licorice dough. There's also a lingering.. weird, waxy dough-like flavor at the end.
Granted I'm a moron and mixed this at 5% so it took roughly a month to calm the fuck down. Don't do that. Mistakes were made.
That being said, after a month or so at this high percentage it has gotten more enjoyable, but I still wouldn't ever recommend this at 5%. Your 0.5% seems so much more reasonable.
That burnt off flavor tasted a lot like coffee to me. I don't notice too much wax, but I think there may be some really firm whip cream in here on the tail end.
Most biscotti have a bit of star anise. Perhaps pairing this with Nonna's cake would achieve that? And what's wrong with you, never eaten a biscotti lol.
My girlfriend said the same thing. I never even heard of one till I got this flavor.
Interesting one. Any chance you could report back in 7-10 days with a steeped update?
"Biscotto" is a very generic term in Italy. These are all biscotti
Cantuccino is just a type of biscotto.
> those flower shaped butter cookies with hole in the center.
Recipes for canestrelli and for cantucci, hope it could help you to figure out the flavours.
FLV Biscotti can be a mix hijacker. I am messing around with a nut cream profile and decided biscotti might add an interesting dimension to the mix. Put it in at 0.5% and it is the first thing you notice and the loudest flavor by far. Not a bad tasting juice but not what i was after.