Disclaimer at the start: I can not stand anything containing diketones (especially Diacetyl). I am not afraid of it and do not think it is unsafe. I just get very strong nausea from it.
So all I can usually vape is fruits, mints and drinks. And some tobaccos. For several weeks now I am buying and sampling flavors that might go into dessert vapes and test if I can stand them. There are other people like me and my notes might help them.
This is why I post this here.
Today I sampled:
- FA Cookie
- CAP Vanilla Custard V2
- CAP Sweet Cream
- CAP Glazed Doughnut
The plan was to single flavor sample all those and then combine them with others flavors if they were vape able for me.
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FA Cookie: definitely vapeable for me. It really tastes like a dry and sweet cookie with a hint of hazelnut. People like me can buy and use it safely. I mixed a bit with it (mostly more nuts), good, but nothing that interests you I would say.
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CAP Vanilla Custard: definitely also vape able for people like me. At 6% as a single flavor it almost overwhelms me though. But I can use this. Safe to buy. I mixed it with several strawberries, quite good, but not interesting here I would say.
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CAP Glazed Doughnut: I know...people say it tastes like play doh. Well, I sampled it with 6% and I quite like it. Can definitely use it, people like me can safely buy and use it.
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CAP Sweet Cream: very definitely usable for me and other people like me. Cream and milk were always absolutely horrible for me, totally disgusting. This is not! So people that are like me: this is your savior for creams and milks!
You probably can't imagine how awesome this is for me, after months of nearly vomitting to all dairy flavors I finally have something useable!
And what is even more awesome, I found my most enjoyable vape up to this day. For weeks I almost exclusively vaped on various Strap-Ons from u/ID10-T because nothing else tasted well.
Now I present a very simple, yet absolutely delicious Raspberry Milkshake, that people with diketone intolerance can vape.
It is 70/30 (VG/PG) with 3mg Nic and:
Edit: due to a lot of much appreciated feedback I was convinced that my flavors are very potent and less might be more. So I just tested that and indeed it works with much less just as well if not better:
3.5% CAP Sweet Cream
1.5% INW Raspberry
The taste ist just as good, my original numbers were:
7% CAP Sweet Cream
3% INW Raspberry
So anything inbetween will work too ;)
Yes, simple, but please don't bash me. To me it is the best I ever vaped and absolutely delicious. And it might be for others too, who never could enjoy dessert vapes.
If this post is acceptable and actually contributes something, I will report with my next batch of flavor sampling again.
If not, just delete it.
I'm super happy that you were able to work this out! Also, don't be apologetic for simple recipes. If it works, it works. Just look at fizzmustard's Mustard Milk. Tons of people absolutely love that recipe.
I commented on your first post about diketone sensitivity, suffering the same affliction. It's very cool you're working on recipes you can enjoy. I have these flavors so I may give it a shot later. I've been partial to this recipe https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/21296#ru_berry_jelly_by_philosaphucker and placid clones lately.
Sounds good. Is 4% high for INW Raspberry?
Also, what's the closest substitute to CAP Sweet Cream? I have the following:
- TFA Sweet Cream
- TFA VBIC
- FA Cream Fresh
- FA Vienna Cream
4% is pretty high for INW flavors for the most part. most people (myself included) usually stick to around 0.5%-2% inw raspberry. but if 4% works for you, it works
TFA sweet cream is the closest thing IMO. i have used the two interchangeably in my own personal raspberry cream recipe.
I've been told that INW Raspberry gets stronger after a couple of weeks steeping so watch out for that if your mixing larger amounts. I've gone up to ~3% but I've never had it for longer than 3-4 days.
4% is probably on the high side but I'd probably be ok with it, it's one of my favourite fruit flavours.
Isn't that high for any razz? The TPA one is supposed to just dominate whatever you add it to. It's usually in small like cotton candy levels.
I guess the first 2 don't work for me, because of diketones. The FA ones are "clear", I can use them. But Cream Fresh lacks the sweetness and Vienna Cream tastes differently, so sorry, don't know. And yes 4% is high.
INW Raspberry is INCCCCREDIBLY strong. But it it can take a beating. You can do high amounts and the flavor doesn't waver it just does weird things after a steep.
I'd imagine you can lower that INW Raspberry like down to a .75-1.5%
Same thing with INW Cherry.
Ok, that low. Thank you for the info, I will try it for sure.
It tasted well, Inawera suggests 1-4% themselves, so I thought I am good ;)
Not sure about Inawera specifically but most manufacturer recommendations are way off.
According to ATF most popular range for INW Raspberry is 0%-2%.
But most popular won't get you interesting results all the time. Sometimes you gotta push things past where anyone would think they go.
I posted this further up but I've been told that INW Raspberry gets stronger with steeping so the weirdness is probably the equivalent to pushing a flavouring too high and picking up the off notes.
What does INA stand for? (did a search already)
Inawera, sorrry for the confusion.
Have you tried Sweet raspberry TFA? If so how does it compare to inw raspberry
Thanks for sharing! I wonder if it is anything like Virgin Vapor's Vanilla Blackberry Swirl? (one of my all-time favorite flavors https://www.virginvapor.com/collections/fruit/products/organic-vanilla-blackberry-swirl-e-liquid)
Are you asking for a recipe for a blackberry cream?
Well, I was asking/wondering openly if OP's recipe would be anything like VV's vanilla blackberry. If so, I would love to start making it. (VV's vanilla blackberry swirl is one of my all-time favorites. I have never found anything quite like it. But (like most pre-made juice, but VV in particular), it is expensive, and I am always looking for a DIY version of some of my old favorite vendor vapes). Why do you ask? Do you know of a good vanilla blackberry "swirl" recipe??
I've always wanted to make glazed donut work, but the best I can find is the AFTERMATH clone on ELR. I've never tried the original, but that is a great starting point. Try it out. I dont think it's too much of a dessert vape, but it is a donut. My friends say it tastes like Frankenberry cereal. I think the raspberry would be a good replacement for the blueberry and it might actual fight for the top note, which blueberry fails miserably at.
this one?
http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/960697/aftermath%20clone%20v2
There are quite a few, so I am not sure.
That's pretty much the same thing, but here's the link I was too lazy to post earlier.
http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/489786/Flawless:%20Aftermath%20clone%20by%20DUNKNDRIP
7% Sweet cream seems like way too much but if it works for you that's cool. To me it starts to taste like sweat and sour milk any higher than 3-4%
I guess you are right. The first batch I made was lower in cream and also Rapsberry, but it was a 60% PG base. Then I mixed some up with my usual high VG and used more.
Might have been not wise. I will experiment a bit with percentages.
I would like to figure out which ingredient I dislike, but haven't nailed it down yet. I think it's only butyric acid that tastes terrible to me, have you looked at the "components" of any TFA flavors you've used to figure out a common denominator? http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/specsheetlist.asp
A few flavors I bought contain Acetoin, which I know I'm okay with. None listed to contain Acetyl Propionyl, which I assume I'm also fine with flavor wise. The only one I bought containing Butyric acid is TFA Strawberry, some contain hexanoic acid which I think could taste bad to some people, while the esters of both butyric acid and hexanoic acid, (methyl\ethyl\butyl\pentyl butyrate\hexanoate to name a few) are typically sweet and fruity, with a wide range from apples to bananas, strawberries, apricots, pears, etc.
I don't like butiryc acid, but I don't get nausea from it. What I get from many many dessert flavors is a burnt rancid buttery disgusting sickly taste that I can even taste after changing coil/wicks and cleaning the tank...it makes me sick for days.
And up to now I am 95% certain it is Diacetyl. Not 100%, but every juice containing it tasted like that to me. Horrible :)
I don't use many TFA flavors, they are not very easy to get where I live (Germany). Some shops have a few, but not much. And I don't like ordering from outside Europe because sometimes you have to pick it up at the customs office personally and that sucks :)
Oops! Sorry I didn't know your location, TFA was one of the only suppliers I knew who listed all of their flavor components. The taste I get is similar to what you're talking about. Absolutely nauseating and hard to wash away, if I try to just drip it off on my RDA the flavor just keeps following me. If I remove the wick, dry fire, rinse the coil under water, dry fire again, re-wick.... the flavors still stuck to it somehow.
That's exactly what I am talking about, yes.
And when I look into the list you provided, of course I find "my candidate" there...diketones:
DIACETYL TEST RESULT (ppm) : 4.5
CONTAINS ACETOIN : YES
I am not surprised :) So you probably have exactly the same problem that I have...diacetyl and (maybe) other diketones.
You should try the CAP sweet cream, I bet you can use it. Capella also has a list of flavors that have been certified as diketone free:
http://www.capellaflavors.com/a-p-status/
my raspberry cream is my all day (every day) vape since december 2015. I've gone through several thousand mL of the stuff since then.
from what i have experienced, 4% INW raspberry seems quite high (if it works for you, more power to you) and i would be worried about flavor fatigue. I normally stick to around 0.5% and 2% for INW.
my personal recipe is:
4.8% Capella Raspberry
3.2% TFA Sweet Cream
I saw that you posted that TFA sweet cream doesn't work for you, and i have had success substituting equal parts CAP sweet cream in that recipe.
Good luck!
I think you are right. Already made a second batch with lower percentages, 6% cream and 2% Raspberry. It tastes even better, but it might be misleading, because it is a 60% PG base. For my wife. Normally I only have max. 30% PG.
I will experiment a bit with the percentages. Thank you!
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