So /u/ID10-T was kind enough to share some doom & gloom with me earlier. It seems Inawera is being forced to reformulate due to some supply chain issue laid out here.
> Due to the entrance into force the tobacco directive we were made to contact our suppliers regarding the receipts of the flavours, otherwise we could not sell our products. Most of our suppliers did not make an issue of it, but there is one, which was not inclined to give so confidential details. That is why we had, having no choice, to create a new version of the flavours.
>Creating them we were driven by the rule of the most genuine reflection of a flavour. However, different suppliers of intermediates and connected with it quality, small changes, even those in ten percent parts, can cause small differences in recognition of a flavour.
>All remarks, which you will transfer to us, are very important to us and we will take into account and will be transfered to our laboratory.
>Always we were cared and still we care so that our Customers receive only products of the highest quality...
Here is the attached list of affected flavors (and all typed out with googled translations below:) >ANYZ (Anise)
>APPLE - CHERRY
> APPLE - LIME
> APPLE - PINEAPPLE
> ARBUZ KONCENTRAT (Watermelon)
> BLACK TEA
> BANAN KONCENTRAT (Banana)
> BIALY GRAPEFRUIT (White Grapefruit)
> BILLBERRY (SHISHA)
> BLACKBERRY - RASPBERRY
> CACTUS - LIME
> CHERRY - COLA
> CHOCOLATE MINT
> COLA
> COLA - MINT
> CONCENTRATE DRY COCTAIL
> CONCENTRATE MARULA
> CONCENTRATE PURPLE GUM
> CONCENTRATE SWEET KING
> CONCENTRATE SWEET SOUR
> CUBA CIGAR
> CYTRYNA KONCENTRAT (Lemon)
> SEZAM (Sesame)
> CZEKOLADA (Chocolate)
> CZEKOLADA MLECZNA (Milk Chocolate)
> EXOTIC
> FORTUNA STRIKE
> GOLD DUCAT
> GRAPEFRUIT
> GREEN TEA
> GRUSZKA KONCENTRAT (Pear)
> ICE APPLE
> ICE GRAPE
> KOKOS KONCENTRAT
> LUKRECJA KONCENTRAT (Licorice)
> MELON
> MILK CHOCOLATE&STRAWBERRY
> MIETA (Mint)
> MIOD (Honey)
> MRELE (Apricot)
> ORZECH ARACHIDOWY (Peanut)
> PEAR&CHOCOLATE
> POMARANCZA (Orange)
> POZIOMKA KONCENTRAT (Wild Strawberry)
> SAHARA
> STRAWBERRY & CHOCOLATE
> STRAWBERRY KISS
> SUNSET VIRGINIA
> SLIWKA (Plum)
> SLIWKA WEDZONA (Smoked Plum)
> SLIWOWICA (Plum Brandy)
> WANILIA KONCENTRAT (Vanilla)
> WISNIA W LIKEIERZE (Chocolate Cherries)
Thanks for taking the time to translate and post this.
I'm hearing that people who recently bought INW Milk Chocolate thought it was a bad batch. Sounds like no, that's actually the new formula. Old: Milk Chocolate syrup. New: Chocolatey band-aids and chalk. It's CAP Marshmallow all over again.
I'm very worried about the future of my Lemonade recipes and my ability to mix others' Grapefruit, Pear, and Plum recipes. Tobacco heads are gonna be mad if they fucked up Gold Ducat.
Edit: But at least we still have Shisha Vanilla, Shisha Strawberry, and Cactus.
Awww no they didn't! Their lemon and their lime concentrates better not change. That lemon is my absolute favorite and I can't live without the lime either. 😟
It's done. Lemon is changed. All we can do now is wait until old stock is sold off, buy some new lemon, and see how different it is. I didn't see lime on the list, though.
Placing a large order for it right now....
That sucks.... but oh thank god the Shisha flavors we're in there (Strawberry & Vanilla are my boys).
Those were the first things I looked for when I saw the list. Definitely relieved not to see them.
yeah man, I was getting scared there.... still knocked some good ones, but i'm a strawberry nut and would have died without strawberry shisha (plus i know some of the "I can't taste strawberry" people actually can taste it with the help of some INW Strawberry Shisha... and a touch of Dragon Fruit at times).
Well... Shit.
A whole lot of flavors I hadn't touched yet. Milk chocolate was on my list but I guess not now. bandaids and chalk sounds gross.
At least they didn't touch (yet. ... oh god...) Cactus, Shisha Strawberry, Cactus, Biscuit, Cactus, ~~and~~ Shisha Vanilla, and Grapes. but seriously inw pls don't fuck with cactus...
That really, really sucks.
Absolute sigh of relief to find that Vanilla For Pipe isn't on there. Thank God for small miracles, don't know what I would have done without it.
And biscuit is being left alone, too. Cool. Only casualty of my favorites there being Gold Ducat. That sucks. But otherwise...
Thanks for the post, and for the info.
damn, actually most disappointed about white grapefruit and pear. thanks for the translated list
INW Pear was always high up on my 'Gotta Try' list. Looks like it might pass me by, unfortunately.
How does it compare to FlavourArt?
It's a good one. Slightly more earthy and spicy, and definitely deeper and bolder if those ambiguous adjectives compute. Much more potent concentrate than FA. I think INW is also riper, and has more body and dimensions to it, instead of the simple sweetness FA offers (which is excellent). Closest comparison to INW for me is FW pear, a deep juicy ripe red pear.
Basically, INW Pear = FW pear sans earthy spicy tones and less potent.
I honestly don't use much INW aside from Biscuit.
I have about 90 of their flavors. They're not always the first ones I reach for but there are very few that aren't good and many that every mixer should have in their arsenal.
The vendor I use doesn't carry it.
What vendor do you use? No vendor carries everything, I find myself using 4 or 5 different vendors depending on stock, sales, and brands.
I have to recommend some flavors that i consider necessary:
shisha vanilla, pineapple, cactus, peach, and raspberry. I also dig their dragonfruit but it's a tricky one to mix with. People also love shisha Strawberry, it's not my fave though.
They've got many flavors that are worthwhile (and generally they're very concentrated so a good value)
My favorite combo in DiY right now is
DIYFS Holy Vanilla/INW shisha vanilla at a 2:1 ratio
TL;DR use more than one vendor, never miss out on the variety that's out there if you can help it
That's a hell of a list. That being said, INW Grape, Raspberry, Cactus, Biscuit, Plum, Coconut, Lemon Mix, Mix Mint, Pineapple, Ruhbarb... Not to mention Black for Pipe, Dark for Pipe, Gold for Pipe all missed the list. I'm actually OK with this right now considering Gold Ducat the only one I have that is going to be different. Anyone with an old bottle of Ducat lying around can mix this up in remembrance.
RIP real lemonade. And what chocolate is as good as Milk Chocolate? Fuck...as long as they don't touch cactus I'll be ok. I've started using JF biscuit in place of INW's. They didn't touch any of the other flavors I use so I guess I'm ok...
Do your recipes universally improve when replaced by JF biscuit? To the point where you use a certain ratio when substituting?
I use it at 1:1 ratio and it's a dream. I haven't touched my inw biscuit since getting JF and I probably never will use INW again for that one.
Seriously, if they fuck up Plum I'm raising an army and invading Poland
This might be dumb, but I'm confused with the "Apple-Cherry, Apple-Lime, Apple-Pineapple." Does this mean the pineapple changed, too?
I might shed a tear if it did.
Could be wrong, but I think those are their "duets" line that are two of their flavors combined. I obviously don't know what extra thing they put in Apple-Pineapple and Cactus-Lime that caused them to have to change those and not regular Pineapple or regular Cactus. But I think I'd cry real tears if they messed up their sweet juicy Pineapple.
And Cactus? Can you imagine if they ruined Cactus? Weeping and gnashing of teeth. We'd all get to see what /u/philosaphucker looks like in sackcloth and ashes.
That current list is already bad enough, but ruin Cactus? Just go ahead and take my first born instead, why don't you?!
Well, if they did indeed change their pineapple, I'll wipe your tears if you wipe mine.
Me too. There's no way to confirm (yet) how comprehensive the list is but it seems like pineapple would be there, by itself, if it was being changed. Probably just the particular apple flavor they're using in the duos.
I have used INW Biscuit and it works great with the recipes I use it in. I also just received a bottle of INW Vanilla Shisha and INW Cactus. I haven't used the Vanilla Shisha yet, but it smells sooo damn good. Definitely glad it's not on the list.
A few flavors on the list that I could see myself using at one point or another are on that list, but not too many. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Here's to hoping they're comparable or better.
Thanks for the list and translation!
I know there is a Polish user on the sub.His name escapes me.I was curious to what this " tobacco directive " is all about ?
not the polish dude but I'm digging around a bit and I found this - pdf warning.
which says a bit about the EU tobacco directive and how poland fits into it.
here's an article that talks about it a bit more:
http://www.vapingpost.com/2016/10/03/poland-implements-harsh-regulations-over-and-above-the-tpd/
Here, in Poland we have even further regulations than EU's TPD. No online sale, no cross-border sale, juices in max 10ml bootles and no stronger than 24mg, max 2ml atomizers and every product must pass certification which takes 6 months. We're screwed...
Well that is a lie. because TPD have nothing to do with aromas .... they just decided to change formulas and found an excuse to this action
I don't know much about TPD but Inawera does sell e-liquid and not just aromas. Perhaps that's why they're having to comply.
Yes i know. If it comes to e-liquid it's 100% true but they dont have to change their aromas recepies. I assume they are changing supplier thats only reason to change aromas compositions.
I'm just wondering how they label the reformations.
The same as the old ones. They didn't bother telling anyone about the reformulations until they started getting complaints about "bad batches."
I really hate that. I understand not wanting to change your stuff, but that's just deceptive and overall just hurts their brand. I'm definitely going to start looking for good subs for the INWs I currently use. Just in case.
- INW Cactus >> INW Cactus
- INW Banana >> TFA Banana
- INW Biscuit >> JF Biscuit
- INW Cherry >> ??
- INW Pineapple >> ??
- INW Raspberry >> ?? I LOOOOOVE this stuff, I hope it never goes away.
- INW Strawberry >> ?? ALSOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE THIS STUFF, straight up strawberry milk syrup.
- INW Blueberry >> Dawn Soap
- INW Waffle YC >> Don't Need, gross and I feel unsafe using it.
- INW DNB >> Don't Need
- INW Milk Chocolate >> Don't Need
I'm confused as to why exactly they need to reformulate. Is it a diketone thing?
one of their supplies declined to give information that INW needed to comply with TPD.
TPD shouldn't affect concentrates so they're reformulating popular flavors just for their ready made e-liquid that nobody cares about (as far as I know?)... Guess I'm just salty Lemon and Apricot are gone but man this sucks.