7-15% sounds good to me. I never go higher that that. I have gone lower for single flavors or simple mixes.

This is very much a "how long is a piece of string" type question. The shortest recipe I've found that's amazing is 4%, I've also made some amazing ones that are close to 30%. Total flavor percentage alone means nothing.

There are other good sources for recipes, yes. This sub, both in individual posts and in the monthly recipe threads. ELR, though you're shifting through a lot of gunk to find them. Others. But IMO you have already found the best one. Go to ATF, hit recipes, click Filter for the dropdown, choose "by rating." The first 10 pages of that should give you the best recipe book you could ask for.

where are you ordering from that there's that big a difference between LA and TFA prices? most places FA tends to be the more expensive of the group you posted.

LA banana cream and tfa banana cream (even the DX) are two different flavors and i'm not really sure if they'd work well as subs. and to the best of my knowledge FW, FA, and CAP don't offer a banana cream.

there was a thread the other day

I do 30 ml for $5 and 120 ml $15.

most of us are using nic suspended in PG not VG. it's 10x easier to work with.

> surprised at how difficult it is. The tutorials we watched showed someone using a blunt tipped needle to measure the nicotine mix... except it is SO thick it takes some serious muscle to get enough fluid into the syringe. I'm tempted to pour i

Ignore that video, get a digital scale that is acurate to .01 grams and research dosing by weight. If you got nicotine based in VG, I can only recommend to try to get a nozzle on the bottle and squeeze it out. Like other said, PG based nic is the only way to go.

Huh wha?

You can get either 50/50 or all PG. Just don't get all VG

So before when you mixed, it was fine, and now it's not? Have you kept your flavorings properly sealed, out of the sun, at room temperature?

If you don't have trouble tasting strawberry, CAP Sweet Strawberry should have the most prominent taste of that bunch, followed by FA Pear and TFA Dragonfruit. While there is flavor in the rest, they don't "pop" as such. Try 3% strawberry, 1% pear and 1% dragonfruit, 70/30 VG/PG, shake and vape. That should be plenty of flavor.

Are you using these flavors standalone at 15%Or are you mixing them together to make 15%.

some people complain of peppery nic from wizard labs. i would recommend vaporstek 100mg/ml pg or carolina extracts

I got my nic from them in VG (because I'm dumb lol) and it seems fine to me.

I purchased 500ml of 100mg nic and was very pleased with shipping speed and quality. I would recommend

Don't breathe it, just shake it and let it age in a dark place for 1-4 weeks with the cap secured.

Hi, welcome to the sub! The short answer is don't breathe the juice. There may be times where it could be useful but generally speaking it will do more harm than good.

Which strawberry are you referring to that is muting flavors? Anything can mute other flavors if used incorrectly. TPA Strawberry ripe will mute flavors if used to high of a % because it has a lot of EM.

As far as grack juice i haven't tried it but I also wouldn't leave anything out, the recipe does not taste like strawberry at all and it's there just to facilitate the rest of the recipe.

What VG/PG ratio are you mixing at, and are you shaking your juice thoroughly after making it? And what cinnamons are you using?

I've never had this issue with cinnamon flavors, so all I can think is that you're not mixing your bottles well enough after making them, and the PG and VG are staying separated.

A custard or sweet cream may help. CAP Vanilla Custard v1 would be my choice at 3-4%.

Have you tried TFA Marshmallow?

You should single flavor test the breakfast blend to see what it's like and what it may pair with.

Lately I'm finding that the tastier, richer pipe tobacco style concentrates do not necessarily make a decent RY4 or dessert tobacco. Maybe it's just my preference, but it seems like they offer too much if that's possible.

EDIT it looks like gremlin recommends mixing that one at 10-15%...so it's meant to be a standalone/one shot. It may not necessarily need anything else.

You buy them online from the vendors listed in the sidebar. There is lots of information for you to read up on there, which I recommend you do more than once. Where are you located? Depending on what you want to mix, there definitely won't be 17 ingredients to buy. You will just need PG, VG, nicotine base, flavors, bottles, and a scale that reads down to .01 for mixing by weight. Of course, your flavors will add to your total ingredients. Find some well regarded recipes in this sub and on All The Flavors and you can start off with those.

You've already gotten great advice from EdibleMalfunction. One thing that I would add is not to just go buying flavors to try. Instead, find highly rated recipes [here] (http://alltheflavors.com) and [here] (http://e-liquid-recipes.com) and order the ingredients for those.

This way you won't be blindly buying flavors that may not work.

Sweet Cream or Marshmallow may help you out. I'd ditch the EM. Which Caramel are you using?

Yes, ATF does that, if you tell it those flavors are what's in your flavor stash and use the "what can I make" feature. It also does what can I make +1 and +2 (what you could make if you had just one or just two more flavors).

Dear god. It's like r/Vaping. No thanks. And shameless is right.

if you're closer to europe try chefsflavours.co.uk. i think shipping from the states to ME is going to be prohibitively expensive.

If at all possible, you could ditch the Glazed Donut and can get your hands on some FA Zeppola instead. CAP Glazed Donut = Play Dough

Maybe 1-2% CAP Yellow Cake for more of a cake donut. Or you could use 1% CAP Cake Batter for a denser cake donut. I think CAP French Vanilla and CAP Vanilla Custard help tone down that play doh taste of Glaze Doughnut while also adding a stronger vanilla element. Just a touch of the Vanilla Custard; say 0.5-1.5% depending on how gooey you want it. French Vanilla you could probably push up to 2 maybe even 3 percent. I haven't used Blueberry Jam, so I don't know what these will do that. CAP Sweet Cream used lightly at about 1% could help with the glaze. Oh, just a drop or two of CAP Super Sweet per 30ml is a great addition for glaze. That's all glaze is after all: sugar and water. It gives it the stickiness of a real glazed donut. Maybe a drop or two of CAP Lemon Juicy per 30ml would help bring out the Blueberry Jam or give it some more tartness. They have a lot of flavors, so there's a fair amount of stuff you can use. Get creative!

I'm not saying do all of that at once.. Pick one out and see how it goes. You got it from here. Good luck!

from my time here, it's mostly seen as a crutch.

instead of finding the perfect flavor to perfect their recipe a lot of hype juice will just throw some sweetener in there and call it a day. i've been mixing recipes from here for 6 months and haven't yet come across something that i thought "you know... some sweetener would really improve this recipe". the times i've played with sweetener it pretty much ruined the juice.

It's not that everyone is totally against it. Its not recommended for new mixers because it's not what makes a juice good. Most vendor juices are overloaded with sweetener when there are a few flavors that are sweet enough on their own. Overusing sweetener will also mute the flavor.

Personally there are some flavors I just can't taste unless they're being carried on a wave of sweetener, strawberries for example.

1.5% TFA Sweetener is my maximum and I feel it's a lot lower than most commercial e-juice.

That's not a shake n vape with Vanilla Custard V1 so its definitely not a SnV with V2. And you definitely don't want to ever be multiplying anything. More flavor percentage does not always equate to the juice having more flavor.

Water will help with viscosity and thus wicking, it will add some throat hit, but won't carry flavor any better.

There is a limit to how much flavor you'll get from max VG, adding more flavoring won't help if you've already reached this peak, apart from the added PG if the concentrates are PG based. What can help is some more steeping, increased wattage or a better atomizer. But really, unless you have allergies, you should consider adding some PG.

Are you so sure those concentrates are suspended in VG?

No. Adding distilled water would help with any wicking issues you might have but it isn't going to increase the flavor.

Yes

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the calculator section other than the basic values to set your PG/VG/Nic. Everything is automatically done by the calculator you use.

I recently picked up [Stixx Mixx Kona coffee extract] (http://www.stixxmixx.com/product/kona/). It's pretty damn good. If you go too high its going to get that classic "burnt bean" taste you get from most coffee concentrates but it's really good.

I'll be honest with you though, it absolutely destroys coils in just about 10-15ml. But to me it's worth it for a good kona coffee flavor. It's my go to cup of coffee and from the concentrate I get that classic nuttiness that kona has.

Quick unrefined recipe I came up with:

Kona with vanilla cream

• Bavarian Cream (TPA) 2%
• Booster (Tiramisu) (FA) 0.5%
• Kona Coffee Stixx Mixx 5%
• Marshmallow (CAP) 1.5%
• Sweet Cream (CAP) 1.5%
• Vanilla Whipped Cream (CAP) 1.5%

Probably Bronuts with the addition of 2% TFA Bavarian Cream.

Leaving the cap off will only let the flavor pixies out (volitiles) thus leading to muted flavor. Most cream base recipes really need at least one week to steep, two weeks being better. There are more strawberry and cream recipes out there than you can shake a stick at, you may just need to try some other ones to get away from the alcohol flavor. Check out Fizzmustard's Mustard milk. The diketone free version is fantastic.

Custards do not take a full month. But tobaccos can and sometimes more than a month. RY4 isn't a straight tobacco flavor though. A little tip, in the future, post recipes here in percentages and in a list. It makes it easier to read and follow.

You're using about 6% RY4 Double and 3% Apple basically.

Try bumping up the Apple to 4% (1.3ml), backing down the RY4 Double a tad to the same 4%, and adding something a little bit sweet to make it pop. I wouldn't use sweetener. I'd use something like marshmallow, meringue, caramel or brown sugar.

Always try to use sweet, neutral concentrates first before automatically running for the sweetener. You'll get much better results and a much better recipe.

Perhaps, worth a shot. There's been some talk about the cooling in Malaysian juices, try this search for some reading.

No experience with FA Polar Blast but Koolada doesn't change much over time. Anything you mix may take a bit of time to homogenize though, especially if the VG ratio is high.

Naw, the cool dark place is just to avoid sunlight and heat, two things that do bad things to juice. Exposure to oxygen is another, which happens when you open the bottle, but the scenario you describe doesn't interrupt the steeping, so it's effectively 4 weeks steeping.

its basically just 4 week steeping the only difference might be a tiny bit harsher with tiny bit weaker flavor and darker color. bu tthese are are pretty small and almost unnoticeable differences.

Hi, Emily. I have not tried erythritol yet. There's a lot of information about it but opinions vary and since I rarely use any kind of sweetener, I just haven't gotten around to investigating it for myself.

I don't think there's any reason to own both 10% Sucralose and CAP Super Sweet and would suggest always choosing the sucralose because it will be easier to use (0.02 g off when mixing won't be such a big deal, and it's an easy mistake to make with the bulbousy nipples on those CAP bottles) and doesn't contain those weird preservatives that Super Sweet has.

If someone like me who doesn't have the 10% Sucralose because he's hoping to make himself infertile using those preservatives wants to make your recipe, he could just cut the sweetener % in half since Super Sweet is twice as strong.

Yeah, TFA Sweetener will give you a little bit of fake sugar lips too (half as much as the 10% sucralose) but also enhance sweetness with that maltol in there. At the same time it'll be like putting a rock in a rock polisher, helps polish the rough edges off of your flavors which might or might not be good thing. It will mute your flavors and of course we usually think muting = bad for a reason. But I tried side-by-side CAP Super Sweet vs. TFA Sweetener versions of my Mango Tango and the TFA Sweetener version was much better. It did exactly what I wanted it to do to that Cinnamon Red Hot.

Honeydew Melon for sure. Also Yellow Cake.

If you like RY4 then JF is better than TFA

may want to get FE great tea to make /u/exclusivegirl's green tea kit kat. other than that im pretty sure JF honeydew kills caps cuz i dont like caps at all i think tfas is way better and honey peach and fuji apple for FA

That is just a random box on ATF you fill in when sharing a recipe. That doesn't mean they mixed that recipe at 100 PG. Keep everything the same. Recipes are listed as a percentage for a reason.

dont add flavor to compensate the recipe is usually made with the max amount of flavoring that should be used in that mix. more nicotine = less flavor, think of each 3 nic taking away 8%ish flavor.

Carolina Xtract

what do you consider the best? quality wise, /u/ediblemalfunction has it right, but best may be cheapest, or pdo based or something else.

I'm terrible at describing taste so I'll just state that they are three completely different flavors. But if I were to try, I would describe TFA Strawberry as much more candy like than Ripe, and at the same time tastes a bit over-ripe to me (I'm not a big fan of this flavor). I would pick INW Shisha Strawberry over TFA Strawberry, they share some of the essential properties while Inawera's version is much less offensive to me. People seem to get vastly different impressions from strawberry flavors though, the only way to know if you'd love or hate the flavor is to pick it up.

As others have said, get smaller bottles of a flavors the first time you get them, in case you don't like them.

You've got some great flavors picked out, though, so I think you will like them. However, unless you already have recipe picked out that you want to use Sweet Cream for, you could probably pass on that one. If what you have is an idea that you think Sweet Cream might be good for, there's probably a better option. TFA Dragonfruit, TFA Strawberry, and TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream are also great, versatile flavors. If you can, get FLV Mango instead of TFA Mango. If you can't get FLV, get CAP Sweet Mango. Or TFA Philippine Mango. Or FA Mango. If I could only have one mango flavor, I would choose one of those before TFA Mango.

I wouldn't get the oz bottles personally. I did the same thing when I started out and pretty much wasted the money since I haven't touched about 75% of them after a few uses. It might seem more expensive to buy the 8 or 10 ml bottles of flavorings but in the long run you'll find you have tons of flavors that you just don't use or enjoy the taste of.

Buy a small one first then if you need to replace it, get the bigger version.

Just my opinion though. How did you decide on those flavors in particular? I'd pick 3 or 4 recipes that are highly rated on e-liquid-recipes and get the flavorings for those and try each one of those out before getting too creative.

Never heard of getting sick from nic. More than likely concentration is higher than claimed. I always titrate my new shipments of nic using a kit like this (can only be used with 36mg/ml or higher, I think).

Many of my flavors are over a year old, no problems. Always stored in dark cool area.

I always pick up the smallest size of a new to me flavor, regardless of any hype. Subjective and all that.

You have some really solid and versatile flavors there! The only recommendations I would give there is for 2 substitutions. I found FA Cantaloupe much better than TFA's. And for Mango I like Cap Sweet Mango better. Since you're a melon guy, FLV Wild Melon is a terrific one, 3% standalone is perfect. Cantaloupe, honeydew, and maybe a touch of watermelon?

And for the love man, drop the sweetener down! 1oz will last a long time. Most people here never use it, but it has it's place.

Welcome!

Wrong subreddit.

put weed in jar with isopropyl alcohol
shake
strain weed thru coffee filter.
evaporate alcohol.
mix remaining oil 1:1 or 1:2 with PG over heat
add flavour if wanted
enjoy

It would have been much easier to just get menthol liquid. That 3 per 10 ml comment was probably 3 drops of menthol per 10 mls of juice.

What's the recipe? Where was your nicotine purchased?

Dude! I'm brazilian and even for me your message is almost cryptic. ELR has plenty of info on this flavor ( http://e-liquid-recipes.com/flavor/3871 ), such as min, max and avg %. Personally this one tastes very strong to me, so I'm using as a subtle note on creamy recipes around .5%

Caramel Original smells like rotting fish stuffed in wet socks to me. You probably won't have much luck with that flavor. That recipe is bound to wreck your coils, as well. I'd say use Sweet Cream at 0.5-1%. And give it 3-4 days.

What's the recipe? 25 % is definitely high

Email them. They are a great company, but are based in the US. I know there are European-based sites you may want to check out instead.

i have ordered almost exclusively from gremlin and they're super quick shippers. i love his bottles and his custom flavor mixes are really good quality- the blue gremlin and the breakfast blend have blown me away.

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You can also use the feature on atf what can I make and then filter by +1 or +2 which would show you what you can make if you had one or two more flavors, that might help you in choosing for your next flavor order.

If you click on "flavors" and sort it by "popular" you can see the ones you're missing from the top ones. Might be a good way to shop.

just a quick glance, you went all in on tfa strawberry. that would probably have been better spent on getting a larger bottle of shisha strawberry. trust me on this. tfa strawberry is used most commonly as a booster and at pretty low (2-3%) in conjunction with other, better strawberries so that 120ml will probably last you a whiiiiiiiile.

you probably would have been better served getting either 30's or 60's instead of 120's and used that savings to bump other staples up to 30's.

also, LA watermelon is very useful.

If you are mixing by weight you don't need a beaker or the syringes. But good luck!

> JuiceDB

Never even heard of it.

From what I seen in most DIY groups, especially those facebook groups, there are two types of people, those who clone juices and occasionally ask for a set of fresh eyes when they get stuck and those who just demand clones without ever even buying anything to start making juice.

To answer your question people who can actually clone or at least get close to it don't use anything like that, they use the actual juice to go off of. Those who can't just demand clones from others without ever trying anything despite the fact this is a 'Do It Yourself' hobby.

If you are going to clone a juice, you obviously need to have had that juice before. So I don't think JuiceDB would be necessary

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